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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 26-04-2016 16:17
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It's almost like people their own opinions and preferences  OUTRAGE!!!!
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 26-04-2016 16:18
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It doesnt have anything to do with Rogers doping, more that he just is one of those guys that's just a proper cunt. I read a post somewhere which I completely agreed with, I can try and dig it up |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 26-04-2016 16:32
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How did the team escape any sanction at all? Unless VdD was turning up to races on her own bike the team must have known that their bikes had a motor in them.
Not sure how organised womes cyclo-cross teams are. Would they have a team mechanic who would have been involved in putting the motor into the bike? |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 26-04-2016 17:23
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Bah.If Contador,Valverde,F.Schleck have a 1-2 year bans 6 year is ridicolous.
But it is cyclocross and it is the first motodoping incident caught on cycling.It also needs to be written that the motodoping gives more advantage.
Still 6 years is ridicolous.
Edited by Forever the Best on 26-04-2016 17:45
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 26-04-2016 17:50
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ringo182 wrote:
How did the team escape any sanction at all? Unless VdD was turning up to races on her own bike the team must have known that their bikes had a motor in them.
Not sure how organised womes cyclo-cross teams are. Would they have a team mechanic who would have been involved in putting the motor into the bike?
In Cyclocross there are no teams like in road cycling. The team part is just riders paid by the same people.
Every rider has his own camper, his own mechanics etc (mostly friends or family). The team isn't organised like road teams.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-04-2016 17:52
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Bah.If Contador,Valverde,F.Schleck have a 1-2 year bans 6 year is ridicolous.
But it is cyclocross and it is the first motodoping incident caught on cycling.It also needs to be written that the motodoping gives more advantage.
Still 6 years is ridicolous.
Doping and using a motor isn't the same though so the sentence shouldn't be the same. Doping is cheating and enhancing your body performance, motodoping is completely breaking the rules and putting cycling itself ad absurdum. It's the worst and should be punished the most imo
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 26-04-2016 17:54
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Shonak wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Bah.If Contador,Valverde,F.Schleck have a 1-2 year bans 6 year is ridicolous.
But it is cyclocross and it is the first motodoping incident caught on cycling.It also needs to be written that the motodoping gives more advantage.
Still 6 years is ridicolous.
Doping and using a motor isn't the same though so the sentence shouldn't be the same. Doping is cheating and enhancing your body performance, motodoping is completely breaking the rules and putting cycling itself ad absurdum But doesn't everyone deserve a second chance according to you?Don't they?In my opinion if others deserve,Van Driessche should deserve too.
And both are cheating.And you can already gain a huge advantage with doping. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-04-2016 17:59
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Uhm yes, there's no dispute that doping ensures a huge advantage.. Seeing as how the blood doping has been extended to 4 years recently, 6 years is a reasonable time frame since the punishment has to be tougher. Motodoping goes against the basic principle of riding your bike and thus is a heavier breach of conduct and rules imo. There are people who suggested a lifeban for motodoping including former banned riders such as Contador. She actually gets a second chance too, after 6 years. Effectively it puts her career to an end though so you could argue about the reasonable decision for a first-time crime. But like I said, there are voices who would like a lifetime ban.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-04-2016 17:59
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I don't think there should be a difference between mechanical and substance doping. They're both cheating in ways that are beyond forgiveness. Clearly a punishment to send a signal, I hope everyone heard it.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 26-04-2016 18:06
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Shonak wrote:
There are people who suggested a lifeban for motodoping including former banned riders such as Contador. She actually gets a second chance too, after 6 years. Effectively it puts her career to an end though so you could argue about the reasonable decision for a first-time crime. But like I said, there are voices who would like a lifetime ban. Contador has also said that doping is only at the lower parts of cycling.Plus if they had handled Operacion Puerto better Contador might not been racing at the moment.So I am not taking Contador seriously in these topics.
Plus Van Driessche's career will be put to the end unlike many others. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 26-04-2016 18:21
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Even more significantly, if somebody actually had the time to go through every rider currently racing in the peloton, that has actually been caught and banned for doping at some point in their career. I'm sure that the list would be a fair size. I'm also certain that the same list could then be multiplied quite a few times for those riders that have been suspected of doping but never caught.
What I also find strange is how certain members will criticize Rogers for being a career doper and it's good how he has now left the sport and then go on about how riders like Valverde and Contador for example are their favourite riders on another post.
You are smart guy, yet you mix two things together. 
There are guys like Shonak or Riis123, that show their like for Valverde or Contador and i rarely see them critising someone because of doping, yeah that would hypocracy. Riis123 does not like Rogers for other things. Shonak even said to me personally that he is fed up with all those doping talks around cycling iirc. 
Then there is Strydz or me, who critise the doping culture as the whole and i dont remember us cheering for any convicted doper. Is Contador or Valverde interesting cyclist to watch? Hell yeah, but they are dirty bastards and i cant cheer for them. If Sagan ever gets caught or highly suspicious of doping, he is done for me, like Kreuziger is now.
Also i cant agree with you to somewhat accept doping in cycling as the "normal" thing we have to deal with, as i dont support cheating in any aspect of human life, be it finances, sport, relationship or goverment. I hate cheating and i support fair play, i want 100% of cheating fucks gone and down in mud. Because they have unfair advantage compared to those who want to act fair!
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 26-04-2016 18:46
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Also i cant agree with you to somewhat accept doping in cycling as the "normal" thing we have to deal with, as i dont support cheating in any aspect of human life, be it finances, sport, relationship or goverment. I hate cheating and i support fair play, i want 100% of cheating fucks gone and down in mud. Because they have unfair advantage compared to those who want to act fair!
Nobody likes cheating/doping in cycling as it should be a level playing field, the problem is that this has never been the case. So from that perspective doping is almost a norm in cycling, something that has often been hushed up and we're constantly led to believe that the sport is much cleaner, that may be so but riders are still getting caught.
The acid test for these things are the general public who don't know too much about the sport, but when cycling is mentioned to them doping is one of the first things that they think of given its connection to the sport.
A lot of the time, a sport is tarnished by its negative reputation rather than the amount of guilty culprits it produces.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 26-04-2016 20:40
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Tafiolmo wrote:
A lot of the time, a sport is tarnished by its negative reputation rather than the amount of guilty culprits it produces.
Probably true, but what's your consequence? The damage to the public perception of cycling is already done. But if you want to permanently change it for the better, indifference to doping and accepting it as a given is in my opinion the wrong way to go.
Also, I've said it before in a different context: Just because something is impossible to achieve in perfection, we shouldn't stop trying to come as close to perfection as possible.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 26-04-2016 21:15
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cunego59 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
A lot of the time, a sport is tarnished by its negative reputation rather than the amount of guilty culprits it produces.
Probably true, but what's your consequence? The damage to the public perception of cycling is already done. But if you want to permanently change it for the better, indifference to doping and accepting it as a given is in my opinion the wrong way to go.
Also, I've said it before in a different context: Just because something is impossible to achieve in perfection, we shouldn't stop trying to come as close to perfection as possible.
I think maybe my so-called indifference stems from the fact that when I first got into watching cycling properly in the 1990s and like most people that get into a sport initially, you usually like a group of certain riders. It was years later that I learnt about 75% of those riders had been doped and ever since then a whole load of riders I've liked have also been caught at some stage or another in their careers.
So you can either completely change your mind about these riders and even lose faith in the sport or just be indifferent to the whole thing and accept the situation and continue enjoying the sport.
If cycling achieves its final goal in giving us a clean sport then that's great but if it doesn't then I'll still equally enjoy it.
The consequence of a negative public opinion, shows that it will take years for the general public to lose that opinion and if riders keep getting caught, that probably won't change either.
I'm basically just giving my honest opinion about the sport and my experiences viewing it over the years.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 26-04-2016 22:16
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Shonak wrote:
]Bah.If Contador,Valverde,F.Schleck have a 1-2 year bans 6 year is ridicolous.
But it is cyclocross and it is the first motodoping incident caught on cycling.It also needs to be written that the motodoping gives more advantage.
Still 6 years is ridicolous.
Doping and using a motor isn't the same though so the sentence shouldn't be the same. Doping is cheating and enhancing your body performance, motodoping is completely breaking the rules and putting cycling itself ad absurdum. It's the worst and should be punished the most imo[/quote]
I am on different side of it. Most terrible is what cyclist has done for they body..and also pushed junior rider into that deadly trap. Cycling should be fun and for masses..not that un human act to push limits line further.
Mechanical doping is just funny and childish for me..like taking short cut in the race. Not tolerated for sure..but blood doping is still way more evil act. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-04-2016 07:17
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I am totally with Guido here. Mechanical doping is silly, but enchancing body performance by drugs is much more dangerous as a culture, even more when it creates the "only way" for a young people getting into sport if they want to suceed.
I would punish it same though, cheating is cheating, but still the health should be the priority and children should know that they can die because of PEDs.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-04-2016 08:57
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To me the ethics are exactly the same in regards to moto/bio doping, you are enhancing your performance through unethical means, I don't understand the riders who came out calling for lifetime bans for this yet are fine with riders getting 2-4 year bans for using PED's, what is the actual difference in the actual ethics of the cheating? I can't see the difference so if the riders want lifetime bans for this then I assume riders like Contador would be okay with lifetime bans for all doping infractions
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-04-2016 08:59
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Even more significantly, if somebody actually had the time to go through every rider currently racing in the peloton, that has actually been caught and banned for doping at some point in their career. I'm sure that the list would be a fair size. I'm also certain that the same list could then be multiplied quite a few times for those riders that have been suspected of doping but never caught.
What I also find strange is how certain members will criticize Rogers for being a career doper and it's good how he has now left the sport and then go on about how riders like Valverde and Contador for example are their favourite riders on another post.
I'll be extremely happy to see the back of those two career long dopers
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-04-2016 09:16
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With Contador supposedly retiring this season and Valverde now 35 you probably won't have too long to wait.
Any updates on what's happening with Sergio Henao?
Edited by Tafiolmo on 27-04-2016 10:21
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-04-2016 11:08
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Tafiolmo wrote:
With Contador supposedly retiring this season and Valverde now 35 you probably won't have too long to wait.
Any updates on what's happening with Sergio Henao?
Im pretty confident Contador will take another season. Valverde has at least 4 in him at his point I think, he has no plans whatsoever.
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