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Café Pedro 11: The Spammish Inquisition
SSJ2Luigi
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So, that whole 'Daily is dead' thing ended quickly, didn't it?

well roturn gave 3 reason about why (no cycling season, no man-game season, no new PCM game/database) well the cycling season has started and PCM.daily released their database. not sure about the man-game but 2 out of 3 is good enough to spark light back into the forum again
 
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jph27
As a Politics student, there's a lot I could say on the previous page's discussion. But alas, I'm too busy. And I don't care that much Pfft

I've come here for another purpose anyway. Was planning on taking a trip around Europe in the summer and was wondering if anyone had advice on where to visit. I have budgeted to probably do about 2 weeks in Central/Eastern Europe or 1 week in Western Europe and am open to any suggestions. Exceot Poland, because I'm studying there next year (fingers crossed) so it'd be pointless Wink
 
roturn
Do something like the usual capital route.

Berlin-Prague-Rome-Paris-Madrid.

If you still have a bit of time or want to replace something, you can also visit Barcelona instead of Madrid for example.

Also Vienna is definitely worth a visit, even though quite expensive. But you could obviously link it with a Munich trip as well.


So for example following 14 days trip:
2 days Berlin
2 days Prague
2 days Munich
2 days Vienna
2 days Rome
2 days Barcelona/Madrid
2 days Paris

As 2 days is rather less but then again also enough for sight seeing only, you might want to kick those towns out, that you have visited already.

I guess most of those cities can be reached by cheap flights with RyanAir for example or by train as some of those ways are possibly faster by train than taking the plane with all the extra waiting times.



Edit: Personally I have less interest in Paris/Barcelona/Madrid.
So I`d make a train mainly/only journey for budget reasons as well from Berlin-Prague-Munich-Vienna-Rome.
 
Croatia14
Kobenhavn could be interesting too and good to reach...would prefer Hamburg over Berlin as well
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Avin Wargunnson
I would go opposite way and leave all big cities out of your trip,they are all very similar in the end and all are crowded and over expensive. So i would go for natural sights, could be a nice change if you are usually city guy....
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TheManxMissile
Hit up some overlooked places, seoncdary cities. Places like Lyon, Marseille, Nuremberg, Hamburg etc, etc.


Though if i had three weeks or budget i'd f*ck Europe and head West Pfft
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jseadog1
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
weirdskyfan64 wrote:
So, that whole 'Daily is dead' thing ended quickly, didn't it?

well roturn gave 3 reason about why (no cycling season, no man-game season, no new PCM game/database) well the cycling season has started and PCM.daily released their database. not sure about the man-game but 2 out of 3 is good enough to spark light back into the forum again


Maybe I should have moved BB to the summer season to attract more visitors Pfft

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cunego59
Ian Butler wrote:
Please, it's not a factory of dreams, it's a propaganda machine, designed to keep people stupid and implement very wrong ideas.

...


For the past few weeks, I've been following several discussions on this topic (mostly regarding media and not Hollywood, but along the same lines) and there's been a lot on my mind which I've mostly kept to myself since the standard of those discussions used to deteriorate rapidly. But I feel like I need to address this - and be it for self-therapeutic reasons - and I'll use this thread as an outlet, so bear with me on this Wink

Ian Butler wrote:
If you want the truth, you'll have to look elsewhere, Hollywood won't help you there. They keep the lie alive at all costs Smile


This is what triggered me. Because it's the expression of a sentiment that I'm seeing and hearing more and more often both in Germany and all over the internet - that the media is rigged, controlled by "them", "them" varying quite a bit, and it's often (though not always) declaimed with a sense of self-righteousness. Let me elaborate:

Ian Butler wrote:
Sadly these are all bullsh*t films, more propaganda (though haven't seen all of them, can't be sure).


This is another statement I read often, and mostly combined with the one above. The complete lack of differentiation. Even if you've never watched a movie or read a news paper, the implied affiliation to a bigger complex justifies discarding it entirely. And before you point out that you said you can't be sure: Then don't say it in the first place. Or at least be true to your opinion and don't open that back door.

Also, by doing so (condemning certain content from the outset), you fall victim to the behavior you so harshly criticize in others: Blindly following a certain doctrine. Only that it expresses itself by rejection instead of approval, which gives it the impression of skepticism and thoughtfulness; but it's just that: the impression of it.

Which would be fine, wouldn't it be for the implication that often follows that train of thought: that the media outlets "outside" of the "mainstream" in turn tell nothing but the truth (which brings us back to the "you have to look elsewhere"-part from above).

In my experience, people tend to believe sites like Russia Today or Politically Incorrect the same way they condemn the "mainstream media" (god I hate that expression) - without really questioning it. Be it because they often report the exact opposites, or because they are seemingly independent. And I think that is highly dangerous.

My point here really is: You should get as much input from as many different sources as possible. And yes, you should be aware that the information you receive is most likely filtered. "Established" journalists and creative people (like Hollywood) tend to have very strong political opinions, I suppose it's a big part why they got into their metier in the first place, and they're not able or sometimes willing to leave that behind. And the opposite site (granted, RT and PI were the extremes) have their filters as well, be it for click bait or the justified or unjustified notion that everything the "establishment" says or does it inherently evil.

But it's only when you yourself put input from all sites together that you can really form an informed opinion. And it still won't be "the truth", whatever that might be, and we will all have different opinions, which is extremely important. But I cannot, for the life of me, think that the sentiment of "they are all blatant liars ruling the world and keeping us stupid with their secret weapon: the TV" can stand at the end of that process. The world simply isn't that black and white.

One last thing:

Ian Butler wrote:
And TMM, please don't call me a socialist. I really don't want to be political.


I think it's sad and, again, dangerous, that more and more people deny their political opinion. I'm explicitly not saying that you have to bind yourself to a system or an ideology, but at least admit that your opinion is political. And don't just admit it, but be proud of that. I think it's incredibly important to have a political opinion, and I think the fact that so many people seem to think that having a political opinion means taking the side of a particular party is a big reason why there's so much disenchantment with politics all over Europe at the moment, which in turn benefits the extremists.



At this point I feel the urge to apologize for the harsh words, but I also hold those opinions very firmly and I think it's important to stand by them.

So all I can do is to underline that this is not a personal attack on you, Ian, but that I merely used your words to express my views on a problem that preoccupies me a lot at the moment - just as I don't assume that you, for instance, blindly believe sites like RT, in those cases I included experiences I made with lots of other people who made the same basic statements that I quoted at the beginning or I wanted to expresse the dangers I see with following those arguments to the very end. And that I would be glad if this discussion would continue a bit as well, for that reason.


Also, if anyone thinks this is a bit over the top and too much for this topic (do we still have that political discussion thread?), that's fine, as I said, I just had to get this off my chest Wink
 
TheManxMissile
Difficult Topics - Still exists but hasn't been used in a while. Keep this talk up and i'll kick you all over to there Wink
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Spilak23
Watch reality TV instead of Hollywood films. Much better Pfft
 
Luxemburger
Emoticons couldn't describe how much I agree on Cunego's post.
 
Ian Butler
cunego59 wrote:
Spoiler
Ian Butler wrote:
Please, it's not a factory of dreams, it's a propaganda machine, designed to keep people stupid and implement very wrong ideas.

...


For the past few weeks, I've been following several discussions on this topic (mostly regarding media and not Hollywood, but along the same lines) and there's been a lot on my mind which I've mostly kept to myself since the standard of those discussions used to deteriorate rapidly. But I feel like I need to address this - and be it for self-therapeutic reasons - and I'll use this thread as an outlet, so bear with me on this Wink

Ian Butler wrote:
If you want the truth, you'll have to look elsewhere, Hollywood won't help you there. They keep the lie alive at all costs Smile


This is what triggered me. Because it's the expression of a sentiment that I'm seeing and hearing more and more often both in Germany and all over the internet - that the media is rigged, controlled by "them", "them" varying quite a bit, and it's often (though not always) declaimed with a sense of self-righteousness. Let me elaborate:

Ian Butler wrote:
Sadly these are all bullsh*t films, more propaganda (though haven't seen all of them, can't be sure).


This is another statement I read often, and mostly combined with the one above. The complete lack of differentiation. Even if you've never watched a movie or read a news paper, the implied affiliation to a bigger complex justifies discarding it entirely. And before you point out that you said you can't be sure: Then don't say it in the first place. Or at least be true to your opinion and don't open that back door.

Also, by doing so (condemning certain content from the outset), you fall victim to the behavior you so harshly criticize in others: Blindly following a certain doctrine. Only that it expresses itself by rejection instead of approval, which gives it the impression of skepticism and thoughtfulness; but it's just that: the impression of it.

Which would be fine, wouldn't it be for the implication that often follows that train of thought: that the media outlets "outside" of the "mainstream" in turn tell nothing but the truth (which brings us back to the "you have to look elsewhere"-part from above).

In my experience, people tend to believe sites like Russia Today or Politically Incorrect the same way they condemn the "mainstream media" (god I hate that expression) - without really questioning it. Be it because they often report the exact opposites, or because they are seemingly independent. And I think that is highly dangerous.

My point here really is: You should get as much input from as many different sources as possible. And yes, you should be aware that the information you receive is most likely filtered. "Established" journalists and creative people (like Hollywood) tend to have very strong political opinions, I suppose it's a big part why they got into their metier in the first place, and they're not able or sometimes willing to leave that behind. And the opposite site (granted, RT and PI were the extremes) have their filters as well, be it for click bait or the justified or unjustified notion that everything the "establishment" says or does it inherently evil.

But it's only when you yourself put input from all sites together that you can really form an informed opinion. And it still won't be "the truth", whatever that might be, and we will all have different opinions, which is extremely important. But I cannot, for the life of me, think that the sentiment of "they are all blatant liars ruling the world and keeping us stupid with their secret weapon: the TV" can stand at the end of that process. The world simply isn't that black and white.

One last thing:

Ian Butler wrote:
And TMM, please don't call me a socialist. I really don't want to be political.


I think it's sad and, again, dangerous, that more and more people deny their political opinion. I'm explicitly not saying that you have to bind yourself to a system or an ideology, but at least admit that your opinion is political. And don't just admit it, but be proud of that. I think it's incredibly important to have a political opinion, and I think the fact that so many people seem to think that having a political opinion means taking the side of a particular party is a big reason why there's so much disenchantment with politics all over Europe at the moment, which in turn benefits the extremists.



At this point I feel the urge to apologize for the harsh words, but I also hold those opinions very firmly and I think it's important to stand by them.

So all I can do is to underline that this is not a personal attack on you, Ian, but that I merely used your words to express my views on a problem that preoccupies me a lot at the moment - just as I don't assume that you, for instance, blindly believe sites like RT, in those cases I included experiences I made with lots of other people who made the same basic statements that I quoted at the beginning or I wanted to expresse the dangers I see with following those arguments to the very end. And that I would be glad if this discussion would continue a bit as well, for that reason.


Also, if anyone thinks this is a bit over the top and too much for this topic (do we still have that political discussion thread?), that's fine, as I said, I just had to get this off my chest Wink


I'd answer to this but to be honest I don't have the energy now. Maybe I'll do it later, in a pm or other thread.

To be even more honest, I don't think it'll make any difference. The conversation interests me and I have nothing against you (at the contrary), but I've too much experience lately and I won't get anyone here to see my points anyway.

So best leave it at that.
 
Avin Wargunnson
TheManxMissile wrote:
Difficult Topics - Still exists but hasn't been used in a while. Keep this talk up and i'll kick you all over to there Wink

What is so difficult on thinking about the world around you? Pfft
This is exactly the talk i would expect in Café...

Btw. i think we see you points clearly Ian, but if you are really behind them, you have to be ready to face the fact that majority of people will have different output,as i have said before.

Nice post Cunego (not that it adressed much what Ian was actually saying, rather as you said expressed your feelings) I got a feeling from it, that situation in Germany is very similar to situation in Czech Republic and all that being sparked with an immigration "crisis". Deep nationalistic thoughts are being uncovered in society here, not only stupid extremists, but i am hearing things i would never expect from pretty "normal" people.

People are taking sides (heavily supported by our president, who is complete idiot and many people are awaiting his death on overdose of meat, cigaretes and alcohol). One side is heavily influenced by RT you mentioned and other russian supported state propaganda, which brings "independent" and "real" news about jewish bankers ruling the world, USA being biggest evil ever together with EU and so on, usual bullshit and real propaganda, as this word was used a bit shaky in recent posts...

But sadly other "side" is not helping it, with denying completely everything bad that mass imigration can bring and only reporting about good sides of it. They ignore some problems of EU as not very functional bunch of different nationalistic interests.

I am fearing that between those two extremes, there is huge abyss looming and getting bigger every day. And that helps the extremists, who are able to approach the people better and force them their propaganda. That is not good and you named it. I dont fully agree with expressing the opinions as political, let politicians play their silly games. Lets rather go full human and reason, without political connection. Spread the word of reason among people who would in other way listen to political extremes.

You know, it is good to help people, but you cant help them all, you cant solve all problems worldwide. You would only cause more new problems near you and that is happening.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 02-03-2016 08:02
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SSJ2Luigi
guys your confusing me with your big words. I thought the Difficult Topics thread was made specificually for that Sad
 
Ian Butler
There, I finally managed to break free from facebook Pfft
I've been thinking about it for months but now finally took the decision to delete (yes, delete, really have to look how to do it!) my facebook account.
Done that few days ago, feel liberated!

Smile
 
lakebeach
Ian Butler wrote:
There, I finally managed to break free from facebook Pfft
I've been thinking about it for months but now finally took the decision to delete (yes, delete, really have to look how to do it!) my facebook account.
Done that few days ago, feel liberated!

Smile

ShockShockShock
"It's very hard to work with other guys because nobody wants to work with me so it's better to drop everybody." - Peter Sagan
 
SSJ2Luigi
Ian Butler wrote:
There, I finally managed to break free from facebook Pfft
I've been thinking about it for months but now finally took the decision to delete (yes, delete, really have to look how to do it!) my facebook account.
Done that few days ago, feel liberated!

Smile

finally managed to break free? it's not that hard dude.
 
Paul23
I just don't use FB...no need to delete an account. Occasionally, I just look into it, when I'm bored. Nice to see, how everyone fails in life...and loves 9gag....and memes....hmm...gonna delete my account, I think.
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Roextro
I only use Facebook as a messaging client and rarely check my feed or anything like that so it wouldn't really have an effect on me if I deleted my account
 
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