overrated: Cavendish, Kittel, Aru, Pinot, Rolland, Valverde, Boonen (he is not competitive anymore), Landa, Van den Broeck, Taaramaee, Viviani, Bouhanni, Voeckler (because of all this TdF hype around him), Talansky
Overrated:
Bouhanni
Demare
Gerrans
Talansky
Portechkin (as a GC rider, unless he delivers this year motivated by leaving Skyborg Inc.)
Cunego - one of the most overrated of all time IMO
ivaneurope wrote:
overrated: Cavendish, Kittel, Aru, Pinot, Rolland, Valverde, Boonen (he is not competitive anymore), Landa, Van den Broeck, Taaramaee, Viviani, Bouhanni, Voeckler (because of all this TdF hype around him), Talansky
Probobly there are more, but can't put them in single post
I'd say he's definitely overrated. Always amongst the mentioned favourites for sprinter's stage but it's been quite a while since he took a win worth mentioning.
ivaneurope wrote:
overrated: Cavendish, Kittel, Aru, Pinot, Rolland, Valverde, Boonen (he is not competitive anymore), Landa, Van den Broeck, Taaramaee, Viviani, Bouhanni, Voeckler (because of all this TdF hype around him), Talansky
Probobly there are more, but can't put them in single post
I'd say he's definitely overrated. Always amongst the mentioned favourites for sprinter's stage but it's been quite a while since he took a win worth mentioning.
So you're saying that Sagan is also overrated just because he doesn't win stages?
ivaneurope wrote:
overrated: Cavendish, Kittel, Aru, Pinot, Rolland, Valverde, Boonen (he is not competitive anymore), Landa, Van den Broeck, Taaramaee, Viviani, Bouhanni, Voeckler (because of all this TdF hype around him), Talansky
Probobly there are more, but can't put them in single post
I'd say he's definitely overrated. Always amongst the mentioned favourites for sprinter's stage but it's been quite a while since he took a win worth mentioning.
So you're saying that Sagan is also overrated just because he doesn't win stages?
Nizzolo is the main sprinter of a WT team and look at his palmares so far. Just not good enough. IMO he's only a 3rd row sprinter after guys like Cav, Greipel, Kittel and Viviani, Bouhanni,..
Also not sure why you start talking about Sagan, what a ridiculous remark.
I've turned an blind eye for this, but now I have no choice - I think you're disrespeting my oppinion and the oppinion of the others. Just because I think someone is underrated does not mean that the others can think the same. But you've made a big deal out of it and started questioning my knowledge.
I've started talking about Sagan, because like what you said for Nizzolo - he is considered a favorite, but comes short. If failing to win stages or classics is a reason to label every sprinter there to be labeled overrated then guys like Kristoff, Greipel, Gerrains etc. would've been on my list. Stage/Race wins are not an criteria to label someone under- or overrated
I'll also add:
Alena Amialiusik as underrated, she's one of the best climbers but also strong on pretty much all terrains. Shelly Olds as underrated, she's old but pretty much as fast as ever i think. Christine Majerus as underrated, always overlooked on the road despite being super strong.
Very few overrated womens riders actually i guess in part to the top ones being so strong.
TheManxMissile wrote:
I'll also add:
Alena Amialiusik as underrated, she's one of the best climbers but also strong on pretty much all terrains. Shelly Olds as underrated, she's old but pretty much as fast as ever i think. Christine Majerus as underrated, always overlooked on the road despite being super strong.
Very few overrated womens riders actually i guess in part to the top ones being so strong.
You can basically say what you want about these riders without any kind of reaction, as 99% does know shit about them.
ivaneurope wrote:
I've turned an blind eye for this, but now I have no choice - I think you're disrespeting my oppinion and the oppinion of the others. Just because I think someone is underrated does not mean that the others can think the same. But you've made a big deal out of it and started questioning my knowledge.
I've started talking about Sagan, because like what you said for Nizzolo - he is considered a favorite, but comes short. If failing to win stages or classics is a reason to label every sprinter there to be labeled overrated then guys like Kristoff, Greipel, Gerrains etc. would've been on my list. Stage/Race wins are not an criteria to label someone under- or overrated
I certainly did not mean to disrespect you, and if that's the way you feel I would like to apologise first.
But isn't winning what cycling what it is about for 'pure' sprinters like Kittel, Greipel or Cavendish? They're not to be compared too e.g. Sagan because he's one of the few sprinters (along with Degenkolb) who's able to win slightly uphill sprints or cobbled classics.
Nizzolo (10 pro wins) also simply has less of them compared to Kittel (63), Greipel (126) or Cav (133).
IMO wins will always partially determine how good a rider is, but again, if you have a differrent opinion on that you have every right to do so.
About Sagan, if you compare what he has won so far to what Nizzolo has, nothing more needs to be said. Even if Sagan failed to win a lot of stages he could've won over the last couple of years.
I see enormous potential in this thread, could turn out to be the best one since glory days of Sky Doping/Hate thread.
I'm actually quite serious about Sagan, but thanks for replying rather just pressing dislike. He's a very talented rider of course, but I still think people are overestimating him when it comes to cobbles and longer hills. Earlier in his career, I would've said that one day he could win all 5 monuments, but now I only see him win 1-2.
TheManxMissile wrote:
I'll also add:
Alena Amialiusik as underrated, she's one of the best climbers but also strong on pretty much all terrains. Shelly Olds as underrated, she's old but pretty much as fast as ever i think. Christine Majerus as underrated, always overlooked on the road despite being super strong.
Very few overrated womens riders actually i guess in part to the top ones being so strong.
You can basically say what you want about these riders without any kind of reaction, as 99% does know shit about them.
So, people putting Valverde, Degenkolb and Kristoff as overrated? Struggling to see how the best three riders in the world last season can be overrated
Hard to pick really overrated riders, looking away from the hyped youngsters. Edvald Boasson Hagen was really overrated a few years back, but he seems better and not as highly rated nowadays.
If you ask me, many climbers are underrated. Take the likes of Hesjedal, Kruijswijk and Rolland for instance. Great riders, who don't get the praise they deserve.
Marco Haller is another rider I think will be great in a few years time. Held up by all his work for Kristoff, but give that man some chances for himself, and he'll be awesome. Same goes for Trentin. Very much alike those two.
Simon Spilak also very underrated. A pity that he only finds it in him to deliver in week-long stage races in bad weather
Oh, and Kwiatkowski. Horribly overrated.
Edit: He's doing RvV this season though, so might start rating him again. Speaking of De Ronde. Andrey Amador also doing more cobbled classics this season. Great, great, great man. Might not be that underrated after his stunning Giro, but still underrated for me. Most versatile rider in the world.
Edited by tastasol on 11-02-2016 11:33
Those underrated riders, you've mentioned are either retired (Leukemans), going to retire (Cancelarra) or past their prime (Devolder).
How does that make any difference in the question if they are overrated or underrated?
because we are talking about the general point of view in cycling (based on team managers, riders, commentators, newspapers,etc.) compared to our point ov view for current cycling
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