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| sutty68 |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:20
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Do you have the most up to date DB ? |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:21
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Can always be found in the ICL Download thread
Or here: https://www.mediafire.com/download/z32...6-ICL.xlsx |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:28
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Thanks mate !!!! |
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| knockout |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:42
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Bikex wrote:
Race Planning
#4 WT teams, make sure you only send riders with AVG less than 76,0.
This sentence does not seem complete to me. I suppose you refer to the CT.2 races here.
I'd like to complain about this one. I'm pretty sure it was announced beforehand that the limit was no more than 76.0 .
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| knockout |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:49
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Bikex wrote:
written by The Rider:
Race Day Numbers:
WT: WT teams have 205 race days of which they already spend 168 on WT races. The rest will be in CT. The teams have the option to ride up to 15 CT.2 racedays. However in these races they aren't allowed to use riders with an average of better than 76.] [/quote]
And yes. That makes a huge difference to me.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:50
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knockout wrote:
Bikex wrote:
Race Planning
#4 WT teams, make sure you only send riders with AVG less than 76,0.
This sentence does not seem complete to me. I suppose you refer to the CT.2 races here.
I'd like to complain about this one. I'm pretty sure it was announced beforehand that the limit was no more than 76.0 .
Oops. 
Wasn't sure about the second one, but the 2nd post agrees with you so now the rule is no more than 76.0, which makes Senechal eligible for you.  |
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| knockout |
Posted on 26-11-2015 16:55
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Awesome 
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 26-11-2015 17:03
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Making life harder for the weak teams is allways great, kick their sorry asxxxes
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-11-2015 17:17
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rip cobbled CT.2 races
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 26-11-2015 19:34
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I always do so badly at this part.
Also For me there are no race days lost for signing up for the chronos des nations.
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| The Rider |
Posted on 27-11-2015 11:53
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Ah, the most important doc of the season! Thanks for that Bikex, as TMM said in the weekly news we could be on for a start before Christmas, as in previous seasons if people can't do the whole planning in a reasonable time then they should just send in the first month or two so we don't get a major halt.
Oh and Rheden GP = 9 teams, very pleased to be in that!  |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 27-11-2015 12:08
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I just realized I fucked up a little with last year's research.
I totally forgot to include the mediator in the renewals, so I'd just say, that money spent by some teams will just go back into research for this season for those teams?
Teams affected:
Illes Balears: 90
Prorace: 80
Italo: 50
Leopard: 100
Is this a fair solution, or what do you think?
Also I forgot to ask about the Fitness Trainer in time. This feature, though, can still be included. The following teams please PM me with, who you want to spend your additional race days on:
Illes Balears: +5 Racedays
Carbonsports: +1 Racedays, +2 Racedays
Italo: +5 Racedays
And nobody commented on the focus races, so I guess we'll keep them the way they were last season? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 27-11-2015 12:18
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Sounds fair to me, I wouldn't even mind that the teams get a 10% extra.
About the focus races, I think it's important to look at the rider quality (more or less like I did in EPIC). If for example Shonak with Rodriguez targets Fleche Wallonne, Liege-Bastogne-Liege and Vuelta, his results should be better than mine if I target the same races with Mollema (just an example of course).
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 27-11-2015 12:23
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I wouldn´t mind too Some unexpected extra points to spend
Focus races were tough last year, as it wasn´t clear what goals to achieve with the team. Is this also about regional focus? F.e. I went for the Tour of Estonia last year just because it was the home race despite not having the riders for that...
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| knockout |
Posted on 27-11-2015 14:08
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Mediator money can go into current budget. Fully agree with that.
Focus races were okay I guess. And I disagree with Ollfardh once again A top 5 in e.g. MSR should be treated the same for every WT team. The effect of the focus races should only depend on the race category of the race , the success of your team and the team's division.
Only 9 teams at Rheden? Sound like a great race
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| Bikex |
Posted on 27-11-2015 15:13
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Sorry Ollfardh, but I also agree with knockout. I don't want to punish teams with a strong rider. In EPIC the teams were only picked so it was fair to even things out with the goals, but in ICL every manager basically had the same chances to sign a top rider.
@Croatia: At goal races the goal was always to score as much points as possible. The reward was based on the percentage the team could get out of all points awarde compared to other teams.
I kind of like system as it is, as if e.g. a captain crashes in a stage race the other riders still have the option to score points through other results as the GC. For example for my team if I'd pick the Giro as focus race and send Nibali and Viviani there and Nibali crashes out, the reward from the goal isn't lost yet as Viviani could save the race by sprint results. If the goal structure would be like get a Top 5 in Giro, then it would've been lost without Nibali. That way every achievement in a race counts towards fulfilling the sponsor demands in a goal race.
Second advantage is that it's much easier to implement for me. I have my rankings files and in there is already calculated if a race was a success.
Only 9 teams at Rheden? Sound like a great race
This is a big problem this season. For CT.1 races, often just not enough teams apply. I'm still missing 5 main teamsand 3 U23 teams, but currently the average of teams per race in CT.1 is as low as 13,1. At the Vuelta a Mallorca for example not even the Spanish teams bother to show up. Similarly with USAPCC and Tour of Britain.
On the other hand CT.2 races are bursting full. Here the average is 16,7 which doesn't sound that high, but no CT.2 race is having too less teams so far with still some to be added. For the Volta a Portugal I already had to reject an application, because it is full. And some other races have also already around 20 entries. |
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| knockout |
Posted on 27-11-2015 15:23
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Could you maybe explain how the different race categories have impacts on the focus race points ? I would be very interested in that!
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 27-11-2015 15:30
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Wait didn't see Mallorca. Will change (at expense of CT.2 probably)
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| The Rider |
Posted on 27-11-2015 15:36
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I get Ollfardh's opinion ie that if Mollema outshines the likes of Froome/Contador in a stage race, comparatively, then there are grounds for him being more rewarded.
However, I feel that something like that would be very hard to add to the game/ not worth the effort. So I'd prefer to keep it the way Bikex has in mind. Focus races involving at least two different types of riders is a great move. 
Though I would like to know if you get more rewarded for targeting a monument or a stage race.
Adding that mediator money to the research budget, I am good with that. |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 27-11-2015 15:49
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Sorry, but are the riders meant to use race days for Chronos des nations and the World TTT championships? because they aren't on my sheet, I really need to know to complete my planning.
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