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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 18:03
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jferrarif1 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
Look at the results of the World Champs TT
He can't - as a Tony Martin fanboy it is too painful for him 
But in all seriousness, Paul raises a fair point. While Coppel and Moser had very good results, they were very much one off results - so perhaps a little too soon to put them at that level.
I think the same, it's soon to upgrade them, but they did two really good time trials at WC
First of all, I'm not a Tony Martin fanboy. Second of all, I agree with jph. Paul really has a point there. For sure, its the most important TT of the year, but one bad/good day and a quick look at the results tells me, that this race can't have happened. It's just a bad joke. So I come to following conclusion. This year, there was no ITT. I hope they have one next year.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-10-2015 18:37
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Coppels had a prety good ITT season. 3rd at Worlds, 5th in Vuelta, 6th in TDF, 1st in French NC, 7th in Suisse and 3rd in Andalucia. He's been comfortable Top10 material all season long, and always against other good time trialists. 77/78TT i think is deserved, probabaly 75/76PRL as he is much better over a longer distance.
Moser a lot less so. He's been very incosistent so 75 would be pushing it very much.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 07-10-2015 19:33
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Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
Look at the results of the World Champs TT
He can't - as a Tony Martin fanboy it is too painful for him
But in all seriousness, Paul raises a fair point. While Coppel and Moser had very good results, they were very much one off results - so perhaps a little too soon to put them at that level.
I think the same, it's soon to upgrade them, but they did two really good time trials at WC
First of all, I'm not a Tony Martin fanboy. Second of all, I agree with jph. Paul really has a point there. For sure, its the most important TT of the year, but one bad/good day and a quick look at the results tells me, that this race can't have happened. It's just a bad joke. So I come to following conclusion. This year, there was no ITT. I hope they have one next year.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 19:59
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Omloop wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
Look at the results of the World Champs TT
He can't - as a Tony Martin fanboy it is too painful for him
But in all seriousness, Paul raises a fair point. While Coppel and Moser had very good results, they were very much one off results - so perhaps a little too soon to put them at that level.
I think the same, it's soon to upgrade them, but they did two really good time trials at WC
First of all, I'm not a Tony Martin fanboy. Second of all, I agree with jph. Paul really has a point there. For sure, its the most important TT of the year, but one bad/good day and a quick look at the results tells me, that this race can't have happened. It's just a bad joke. So I come to following conclusion. This year, there was no ITT. I hope they have one next year.
Not a fan boy?
No. I'm not.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 08-10-2015 07:07
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Tafiolmo wrote:
I once proposed 76TT for Bialbocki but it was suggested that this was a bad idea as he would win every TT at his division level, if he was riding for a stronger team I´d easily put him at 77TT or at a higher level.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, at his division level there are mostly short TTs, so the thing can be done to give him much worse prologue skill and he won't be destroying his opposition.
I actually think he wouldn't be doing too well in prologues in real life. Both in the Tour de Pologne and WC his first intermediate checks were far worse compared to where he has ended up at the finish. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 08-10-2015 22:09
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What do you think about Eduard Prades???
Amazing season for this young spanish rider!
Maye fine with Hills 73? Sprint 68? Potential 5/6? |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 09-10-2015 14:22
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Elia Viviani win, win, win, win, win, win, win, all the time he wins. He deserves an upgrade. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 09-10-2015 14:28
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No he doesn't
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-10-2015 14:36
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Damn, really I hoped he wasn't coming back..
And it was only his 6th sprint win this season. Boeckmans is on 9. So by Arberg logic, Boeckmans must be the better sprinter!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-10-2015 16:35
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AiZaK wrote:
What do you think about Eduard Prades???
Amazing season for this young spanish rider!
Maye fine with Hills 73? Sprint 68? Potential 5/6?
I watched his stats in the DB and they seem fine (72 HI, 68 SPR). In my opinion the riders weren´t that strong at Coppa Sabatin, and otherwise he wasn´t that amazing lately to deserve better stats than that.
I also don´t see a potential upgrade; he is not the youngest anymore...
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 09-10-2015 16:53
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SPR and ACE stat update for Wisniowski and Sabatini (little upgrade) please! 5th placed on this sprint: https://www.etixx-...d-5th/2446
Edited by jferrarif1 on 09-10-2015 16:58
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 09-10-2015 16:55
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Also 68SPR for Golçalves (Caja Rural), he is fast and he get a top10 in a sprint of the Vuelta, and 72/73MON 73HIL, because he climbed really good in some stages
Same with Pello Bilbao (needs 72MON 74HIL 71/72SPR 73ACE, as fast as Agnoli of Astana) because he scored a second place in the same race |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-10-2015 17:32
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jferrarif1 wrote:
Also 68SPR for Golçalves (Caja Rural), he is fast and he get a top10 in a sprint of the Vuelta, and 72/73MON 73HIL, because he climbed really good in some stages
Same with Pello Bilbao (needs 72MON 74HIL 71/72SPR 73ACE, as fast as Agnoli of Astana) because he scored a second place in the same race
we already discussed the point about Goncalves & Bilbao...
but with Wisniowski I agree with you, he could get upgraded a little...but I wouldn´t take too much out of Abu Dhabi Tours results...the weather conditions and the lack of form/interest of many strong riders plays a big role in this race!
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 10-10-2015 13:40
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Some dudes:
78Mountain for Esteban Chaves and 77 for both Yates?
Daniel Moreno with 76Mountain 80Hills?
Prades i put him on 73Hills and 3/4Maximum Potential, he had good results but isnt excepcional
Pardini/Bohli also needs a update after Eurometropole no? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 10-10-2015 13:47
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If there is Daily update and Im doing the stats Poels is getting 85 MO and I can argue it very well 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-10-2015 14:52
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@jferrari - One result does not mean an upgrade. Wisniowski might have been 5th on Stage 2, but it's only the third time all season he's been in a Top5, and one of those results was an ITT where ACC stat means not a lot.
Much the same for Sabatini, that was his only Top5 of the entire season! If anything he needs some downgrading.
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 10-10-2015 15:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
@jferrari - One result does not mean an upgrade. Wisniowski might have been 5th on Stage 2, but it's only the third time all season he's been in a Top5, and one of those results was an ITT where ACC stat means not a lot.
Much the same for Sabatini, that was his only Top5 of the entire season! If anything he needs some downgrading.
I've said a very little upgrade, maybe 75SPR 75ACE for Fabio and less for Wisniowski |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 14-10-2015 16:26
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I finally managed to put all the changes into my database, and as requested as PM I will upload the .cdb file here. If that´s against the DB-teams mind please tell mme...
Done changes in the database
Debusschere (73 hill)
Dumoulin (76/77 mountain, 78 hill, 73/74 recovery)
Kusnetzov 72 END 71 HI
Viviani 67TT
Navardauskas END77
Kiriyenka & Coppel & Malori TT (79, 76, 79)
Chaves (77MO, 78 HI, 74 REC)
Mads Würtz Schmidt (73TT)
Poljanski & Hansen MO (75,74)
Sbaragli (76SPR, 77ACC)
Firsanov (68 sprint)
Fraile & Goncalves (FTR upgrade for both, Goncalves general upgrade 72 Mo/74 Hill, Fraile 72MO)
Rojas & Ventoso (mountain upgrade, Rojas FTR)
Majka 80 MO
Dani Moreno (MO upgrade)
Lindeman (69 MO)
Koshevoy (72MO)
Gougeard (one-day race/TT upgrade)
Oliveira (general upgrade despite TT, especially MO, Hill, FTR, RES)
Aru 72 TT
Pinot (upgrade to 78 hill, 62 DH is too low)
Vakoc (non-cobbled classics upgrade)
Konrad (68 Spr, 71 Acc)
Bialoblocki (TT upgrade 74)
Claeys (general update, especially SPR)
de la Parte (73 MO)
Boom (66MO)
Boasson Hagen (small tour upgrade)
Rosa (MO & Hill upgrade 76/76)
Guldhammer (SPR 72/73?)
Sepulveda (FL 71)
Verona (71 MO, 72 Hill)
Nieve (76 Hill)
Benedetti (69 DO, 68 END, 71 HI, 75 FTR)
Rosseler, Vaubourzeix -> FA
Cammaerts (slight downgrade)
Pardini (TT & PRO up 3, SPR & ACC & FTR down 3)
Van Zummeren, Stenuit (detailed upgrade)
Roglic (slight GC upgrade: 73MO, 71HI, 70FTR)
Farrar (slight HI & FTR upgrade, SPR, ACC, COB downgrade by one)
Plaza[RES upgrade], Boonen, D.Moreno, Ewan[HI upgrade], Kump[HI upgrade] and Gaviria[FLT & FTR upgrade] had already fitting key stats - in [] are minor changes I made
a big thx to all the suggestions of you guys, hoping for further constructive discussions in this thread
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| matt17br |
Posted on 14-10-2015 16:34
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I finally managed to put all the changes into my database, and as requested as PM I will upload the .cdb file here. If that´s against the DB-teams mind please tell mme...
That's no problem 
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| servus |
Posted on 14-10-2015 16:35
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Dumoulin (76/77 mountain, 78 hill,
What much too low mountain at least 79 and hills are ok |
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