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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-10-2015 08:59
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Yes, we know who he is, can you now stop with these useless posts?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 06-10-2015 09:19
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Croatia14 wrote:
Bialoblocki (TT upgrade 73?)
let me know if I missed someone or if you disagree with something...
Bialoblocki only 73 TT?
This man won an ITT in a World Tour race beating current ITT World Champion and a third rider was almost a minute back.
Then he went to ITT WC and finished 9th over many guys who are much better than that in the database and he said he was not even feeling good that day.
I think it's enough to justify the TT skill around 76, if not 77 should be taken into consideration.
I also suggest an upgrade in stamina for Alex Howes. He is consistently good in World Championships. |
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| djick |
Posted on 06-10-2015 11:27
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Dear Ollfardh, I do not understand your anger. the site of amateur and Russian, we want to develop. Cycling should be developed in all directions and this site is visited not only by professionals. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-10-2015 11:32
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djick wrote:
Dear Ollfardh, I do not understand your anger. the site of amateur and Russian, we want to develop. Cycling should be developed in all directions and this site is visited not only by professionals.
My frustration is that you just post random names without adding anything to the discussion. If you want to contribute, say what changes you propose for a rider and explain why you think that should be. 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-10-2015 11:33
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djick wrote:
Dear Ollfardh, I do not understand your anger. the site of amateur and Russian, we want to develop. Cycling should be developed in all directions and this site is visited not only by professionals.
And posting a link to PCS does what to help?
This thread is for stat discussions. If want to know what stats a rider has i suggest looking it up in the DB. After that if you disagree then post a suggestion here of what should be changed.
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 12:04
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Biablocki i agree with 76 and backups like 70endurance and 70resistance with 68recover, he had a good stat in time-trial but low backups, for the time-trial i think some of backups doesnt interest. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 06-10-2015 17:36
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I once proposed 76TT for Bialbocki but it was suggested that this was a bad idea as he would win every TT at his division level, if he was riding for a stronger team I´d easily put him at 77TT or at a higher level.
Don´t know why some people have been giving negative feedbak on Diego Rosa hill and mtn stats because like most in Astana he has been amazing when the road goes up this season, unless members here feel his stats are not high enough.
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No idea why Arashiro is being mentioned as he was more impressive in 2014 than in 2015, so no reason to change his stats.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 06-10-2015 17:43
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 17:42
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I would love an update for Roglic, but there was a discussion about Roglic and Biabolocki some pages ago with DB experts who adviced stats like these...
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 06-10-2015 17:49
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Croatia14 wrote:
I would love an update for Roglic, but there was a discussion about Roglic and Biabolocki some pages ago with DB experts who adviced stats like these...
It´s like Daniel Diaz who always wins Tour de San Luis and usually beats riders like Quintana in these races, but he clearly can´t be given an 82 or 83 mtn stat. Riders like him are very hard to classify as they have one main goal for the season and are in peak form while other more famous riders are clearly off form, these type of stats are hard to get right in game |
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 18:13
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Daniel Diaz and Primoz Roglic are similar riders to guys like Gustavo Veloso(winner of Volta Portugal), Joni Brandão, Delio Fernandez, António Carvalho (All Riders who race Volta a Portugal), they planned the peak form to the main competition and appear in excelent form to win that race.
In my db i had that guys with stats between 70-72 in MO with backups off 71, maximum 72, they are very good for the 3rd Division and in the main form can beat excelent riders who are only preparing future competitions. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 06-10-2015 19:33
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I once proposed 76TT for Bialbocki but it was suggested that this was a bad idea as he would win every TT at his division level, if he was riding for a stronger team I´d easily put him at 77TT or at a higher level.
Well actually Tour of Pologne only definitely wasn't enough to give him 76, considering also how 'dodgy' was his performance 
After the WC I actually tend to agree 76 is more than justified, Quaade had a similar stat and he also is CT after all 
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 19:43
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matt17br wrote:
I once proposed 76TT for Bialbocki but it was suggested that this was a bad idea as he would win every TT at his division level, if he was riding for a stronger team I´d easily put him at 77TT or at a higher level.
Well actually Tour of Pologne only definitely wasn't enough to give him 76, considering also how 'dodgy' was his performance
After the WC I actually tend to agree 76 is more than justified, Quaade had a similar stat and he also is CT after all
then we have to think about Roglic too...not a one-race-wonder but winning 2 2.1 races, one second GC and one fourth GC in a 2.HC race...all in one year...and beating riders like Nieve, Ulissi,...
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| ziga007 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 20:33
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Croatia14 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
I once proposed 76TT for Bialbocki but it was suggested that this was a bad idea as he would win every TT at his division level, if he was riding for a stronger team I´d easily put him at 77TT or at a higher level.
Well actually Tour of Pologne only definitely wasn't enough to give him 76, considering also how 'dodgy' was his performance
After the WC I actually tend to agree 76 is more than justified, Quaade had a similar stat and he also is CT after all
then we have to think about Roglic too...not a one-race-wonder but winning 2 2.1 races, one second GC and one fourth GC in a 2.HC race...all in one year...and beating riders like Nieve, Ulissi,...
He is amazing rider former ski jumper. I heard that he is in talk with lampre merida and Demenstion data.
Alberto Contador
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| bob7 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 20:38
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ziga007 wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
I once proposed 76TT for Bialbocki but it was suggested that this was a bad idea as he would win every TT at his division level, if he was riding for a stronger team I´d easily put him at 77TT or at a higher level.
Well actually Tour of Pologne only definitely wasn't enough to give him 76, considering also how 'dodgy' was his performance
After the WC I actually tend to agree 76 is more than justified, Quaade had a similar stat and he also is CT after all
then we have to think about Roglic too...not a one-race-wonder but winning 2 2.1 races, one second GC and one fourth GC in a 2.HC race...all in one year...and beating riders like Nieve, Ulissi,...
He is amazing rider former ski jumper. I heard that he is in talk with lampre merida and Demenstion data.
I'm pretty sure, he will be ride in WT next season. That's why I put him with 73MO (74 may be good as well). |
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 15:14
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Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 15:32
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jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 07-10-2015 15:43
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Most people kind of agree that Coppel should have 77 TT, Moser I think is around a 73 or 74.
The WC TT threw up so many surprisng results that it`s hard to really know the true TT level of a rider, better to wait until next season or the chrono des nations to know if these same riders can reapeat these TT results. |
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 16:13
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Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
Look at the results of the World Champs TT |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 16:22
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jferrarif1 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
Look at the results of the World Champs TT
He can't - as a Tony Martin fanboy it is too painful for him
But in all seriousness, Paul raises a fair point. While Coppel and Moser had very good results, they were very much one off results - so perhaps a little too soon to put them at that level. |
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 07-10-2015 17:15
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jph27 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
Bialoblocki needs 76TT 75PRL in my opinion, and Moreno Moser the same stats or 75TT 76PRL. Jerome Coppel maybe 78TT 76PRL
Coppel 78 and Moser 75? Not sure if they deserve it...
Look at the results of the World Champs TT
He can't - as a Tony Martin fanboy it is too painful for him
But in all seriousness, Paul raises a fair point. While Coppel and Moser had very good results, they were very much one off results - so perhaps a little too soon to put them at that level.
I think the same, it's soon to upgrade them, but they did two really good time trials at WC |
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