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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 28-09-2015 15:21
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thisnameisgenius wrote:
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No. I will simply argue with the ardennes classics.
Tony was injured as well and worked his ass off for his team and didn't get 75 HI as well. Dumoulin is totally fine with 1 or 2 points below Tony.
Dumoulin's injury was worse. Dumoulin's team was worse. Dumoulin's freshness was worse. He had everything against him and still beat Martin.
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| miguejack |
Posted on 28-09-2015 20:37
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I don't know him but to me it seems a pure sprinter and that's it
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| servus |
Posted on 28-09-2015 20:56
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Tafiolmo wrote:
thisnameisgenius wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
No. I will simply argue with the ardennes classics.
Tony was injured as well and worked his ass off for his team and didn't get 75 HI as well. Dumoulin is totally fine with 1 or 2 points below Tony.
Dumoulin's injury was worse. Dumoulin's team was worse. Dumoulin's freshness was worse. He had everything against him and still beat Martin.
But Martin had a sore bum.
When you watch more TT Tony always has this sored ass |
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 29-09-2015 17:39
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In my opinion Tom Boonen needs 78SPR and 76-77ACE, in the DB appears with 76SPR 75ACE, in my opinion they are really poor stats and that's too unrealistic.
He needs to have more SPR and ACE because of these recient sprints:
https://www.youtu...Ga_EoVYmQ4
https://www.youtu...m9JXmbuqMw
https://www.youtu...0WgUdWd-Vc
https://www.youtu...UJibZ0ZfGg
https://www.youtu...HjGoNoWnto |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 29-09-2015 21:51
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I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76 |
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 29-09-2015 23:16
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AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect). |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 30-09-2015 00:33
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jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 30-09-2015 00:47
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fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx
Boonen definately needs 77 or more.
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 30-09-2015 14:45
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Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx
Boonen definately needs 77 or more.
Yes of course, but 78 would be better. In your 2013 DB Boonen had got 77SPR 77ACE and then you gave him 75ACE, and on that year he didn`t beat sprinters like Greipel for example, but in 2014 and this year yes. In your 2014 DB for PCM 2013 you also gave Tom 76SPR after his wins vs Greipel, and I couldn't understand it. He is better sprinter now than in 2013, because as I can remember in the 2013 Greipel beat Tom usually, but now he can beat Andre. And you can't reduce the SPR of the german because of his wins on the TDF.
Also Eddy Merckx said recently that Boonen can win a sprint with Greipel, Kristoff or Matthews (the website is in French, so you'll have to translate it with Google Translator): https://www.rtl.be...57455.aspx
Edited by jferrarif1 on 30-09-2015 14:51
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 30-09-2015 14:53
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fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx
He doesn't win in GT races because he doesn't take part in them (they normally aren't on his objectives for the season). But in other races he beats the best sprinters. |
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| thisnameisgenius |
Posted on 30-09-2015 19:06
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Tafiolmo wrote:
thisnameisgenius wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
No. I will simply argue with the ardennes classics.
Tony was injured as well and worked his ass off for his team and didn't get 75 HI as well. Dumoulin is totally fine with 1 or 2 points below Tony.
Dumoulin's injury was worse. Dumoulin's team was worse. Dumoulin's freshness was worse. He had everything against him and still beat Martin.
But Martin had a sore bum.
No, Dumoulin did. |
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| clamel |
Posted on 02-10-2015 10:24
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Well, not sure if times permit you to have a look at riders that has been stagiare this year and even got contracts for years to come AND they are not in this DB.
My prime subject is Treks not so young french rider Julian Bernard.
He has shown very good skills since he was signed and in career it should be fun to be able to copy Treks fine move and sign him.
https://www.trekfa...en-bernard
My idea is of course to put him in the DB, with some other new upcoming stars, as a free rider, then having a go "next" season if playing career.
Having him and other could also be a solution to fix proper startlists for many races after August 1st, when these riders popped up.
But then getting the career to work 100% is of course first priority and other small hickups too of course.
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 04-10-2015 06:06
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jferrarif1 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx
He doesn't win in GT races because he doesn't take part in them (they normally aren't on his objectives for the season). But in other races he beats the best sprinters.
He probably beat the best sprinters because they ain't in good shape. It's only during the GTs you can have a proper look at who is really strong |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 04-10-2015 06:20
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fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx
He doesn't win in GT races because he doesn't take part in them (they normally aren't on his objectives for the season). But in other races he beats the best sprinters.
He probably beat the best sprinters because they ain't in good shape. It's only during the GTs you can have a proper look at who is really strong
I pretty much agree with this about Boonen, he missed his main part of the season and only partly rode one GT. He`s come into form at the seasons end where he`s fresh beating sprinters who are tired from the season. Boonen is 76 sprint at most I`d put him at 77 as he`s not as fast as Gaviria but I´d wait until next season to see how he performs against the other top sprinters.
I`ve also noticed that he`s never won a Paris-Tours and that is a race he could win.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 04-10-2015 06:27
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 04-10-2015 07:50
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Tafiolmo wrote:
I`ve also noticed that he`s never won a Paris-Tours and that is a race he could win.
He also never won the Omloop het Nieuwsblad  |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-10-2015 15:11
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I am wondering if someone could do a small round-up of the must-change stats based on the results not contained by the Expansion Pack V 1.6 (Vuelta, Belgian classics, small tours, Quebec&Montreal, World Championships, Cyclassics, Plouay, upcoming Il Lombardia).
I think of riders like Debusschere, Dumoulin,... just to bring all together in one post, for everyone who needs support editing the stats in an accurate way
edit: went through the last 20 pages of this thread to get some ideas...
Planned changes
Debusschere 72 hill
Dumoulin 76-78 mountain, 78 hill
Kusnetzov general stats
Boonen hill, 71 TT
Viviani TT
Navardauskas Endurance
Kiriyenka & Coppel & Malori TT (79, 76, 79)
Chaves rise GT ability
Mads Würtz Schmidt TT
Poljanski & Hansen MO (75,74)
Sbaragli > Goss
Gaviria (75 sprint)
Firsanov (68 sprint?)
Fraile & Goncalves (FTR upgrade for both, Goncalves general upgrade 72 Mo/74 Hill)
Rojas & Ventoso (mountain upgrade, Rojas FTR)
Ewan (hill 72/73 sprint 75/76)
Majka 80 MO
Dani Moreno (MO upgrade)
Lindeman (around 69 MO, FTR upgrade)
Koshevoy (allround upgrade?)
Gougeard (one-day race/TT upgrade)
Plaza (Mo 76, FTR 78)
Oliveira (general upgrade despite TT, especially MO, Hill, FTR, RES)
Aru 72 TT
Pinot (upgrade to 78 hill, 62 DH is too low)
Vakoc (non-cobbled classics upgrade)
Konrad (around 68 Spr, 71 Acc?)
Bialoblocki (TT upgrade 74)
Claeys (general update, especially SPR)
de la Parte (73 MO)
Boom (slight MO upgrade)
Boasson Hagen (small tour upgrade)
Rosa (MO & Hill upgrade 76/76)
Guldhammer (SPR 72/73?)
Sepulveda (FL 71?)
Kump (SPR 73)
Verona (71 MO, 72 Hill)
Nieve (76 Hill)
Benedetti (69 DO, 68 END, 71 HI, 75 FTR)
Rosseler, Varbouzeix -> FA
Cammaerts (slight downgrade)
Pardini (TT & PRO up 3, SPR & ACC & FTR down 3)
Van Zummeren, Stenuit (detailed upgrade)
Roglic (slight GC upgrade)
let me know if I missed someone or if you disagree with something...
edited in green
Edited by Croatia14 on 06-10-2015 20:30
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 04-10-2015 15:28
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fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
jferrarif1 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I think that Boonen and Farrar and some more old sprinters don't deserves more than 76
Boonen recently beat Greipel, Demare and Viviani, but now Farrar not.
Tyler Farrar 76SPR 77ACE for me, like in the DB, but I can't understand that Farrar has more ACE than Boonen. Boonen needs more than him, 76 or 77 in my opinion, and more SPR than Tyler of couse (78SPR for Tom is perfect).
Tom Boonen doesn't deserve any upgrades he hasn't shown anything special in 2015 to deserve a boost in sprint and we haven't seen him get a win in GT in a long time. At 78 Sprint you're saying he's faster than gaviria who will probably be the main sprinter for etixx
He doesn't win in GT races because he doesn't take part in them (they normally aren't on his objectives for the season). But in other races he beats the best sprinters.
He probably beat the best sprinters because they ain't in good shape. It's only during the GTs you can have a proper look at who is really strong
No, the rest of the races are also very important.
If a rider beats Kittel only on the TDF and on all the rest of the races Kittel beats him, what SPR stat will you give to that rider? More than Kittel?
In the real life, Boonen can beat Greipel on Qatar for example, but if you give 82-83SPR to Greipel and 76SPR to Boonen, he won't be able to beat the german on the game
I will give 83SPR 81ACE to Greipel and 78SPR 76-77ACE to Boonen. Boonen mustn't have less SPR-ACE than Farrar or Boasson Hagen for example
Boonen are better sprinter now than in 2013 f.e. , and in 2013 he had 77SPR 75-77ACE
Edited by jferrarif1 on 04-10-2015 15:35
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| jferrarif1 |
Posted on 04-10-2015 15:39
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Croatia14 wrote:
I am wondering if someone could do a small round-up of the must-change stats based on the results not contained by the Expansion Pack V 1.6 (Vuelta, Belgian classics, small tours, Quebec&Montreal, World Championships, Cyclassics, Plouay, upcoming Il Lombardia).
I think of riders like Debusschere, Dumoulin,... just to bring all together in one post, for everyone who needs support editing the stats in an accurate way
Debusschere 71-72HIL, T.Dumoulin 78MON 78HIL, better stats to Kuznetsov (15th placed on the WC), Boonen 72HIL 72TT
Also more TT to Viviani, because he won a TTT in Romandie with the Sky Team (he was one of the 5 riders that crosses the finish line first, with Thomas, Stannard, maybe Froome...)
Edited by jferrarif1 on 04-10-2015 15:44
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 04-10-2015 16:49
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Boonen is a bit underrated, I still think he's one of the best on the cobbles, he's still quite fast if he bothers to sprint and 71 TT with his palmares in the TTT also seems a bit low.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 04-10-2015 16:53
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Croatia14 wrote:
I am wondering if someone could do a small round-up of the must-change stats based on the results not contained by the Expansion Pack V 1.6 (Vuelta, Belgian classics, small tours, Quebec&Montreal, World Championships, Cyclassics, Plouay, upcoming Il Lombardia).
I think of riders like Debusschere, Dumoulin,... just to bring all together in one post, for everyone who needs support editing the stats in an accurate way
Well I put together a few pages back the important mtn and Hill stats from the Vuelta based on my opinions and the opinions of other members here. I also did one again after the World ITT even though I think Kiryenka might now be a better 80 TT as his prologue stat is quite low compared to Malori and Dennis as I know the game AI reads the prologue stat for the first part of a TT.
I don`t think there is a need fo an update for the world RR as it wasn`t really a cobble course for cobblers, as so many others riders finished high up behind Sagan like Matthews and Navardauskas etc, but of course some lower placed riders might be worth a mention.
Interestingly the WC course was a mixture of flat, cobble and hill and quite tricky to classify imo for game stats..
Also over the last few pages there has been some updates for sprinters like Gaviria as well.
I didn`t see the Canadian classics so can`t really comment on them but of course Lombardy and Paris-Tours will need some updating over the next week.
If everybody posts their opinions here about all these riders that they think need updates, I don`t mind over the next week or so compiling them all into one big post in an organized way and everybody can give their opinions on these final stats before they`re fixed.
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