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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 02:02
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. . . . . . . . . MON HIL REC TTR
Froome . . . . 83 - 78 - 77 - 78
Quintana . . . 83 - 78 - 82 - 73
Nibali .. . . . . 82 - 79 - 83 - 75
Contador . . . 82 - 80 - 81 - 75
Aru . . . . . . . 81 - 77 - 80 - 72
Valverde . . . 81 - 82 - 74 - 71
Rodriguez . . 79 - 82 - 76 - 67
Landa . . . . . 81 - 76 - 78 - 65
Majka . . . . . 80 - 78 - 78 - 73
V.Garderen . 80 - 76 - 78 - 77
Thomas . . . .79 - 77 - 70 - 77
Porte .. . . . . 79 - 78 - 74 - 77
What do you think about these? |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 02:32
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Tafiolmo wrote:
No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
He might be one of the best GT rider but he's a cheater as well. I'll put him 89 if there was a cheating stats in game |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 02:34
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AiZaK wrote:
In my opinion:
Caleb Ewan spr77 ace79
F. Gaviria spr76 ace78
Both with Potential 7
Nope for me Caleb Ewan is 76SP 78ACC
F. Gaviria 75SP 77ACC |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 03:13
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
He might be one of the best GT rider but he's a cheater as well. I'll put him 89 if there was a cheating stats in game
Because of the attack in the Tour  ?
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 04:03
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Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
He might be one of the best GT rider but he's a cheater as well. I'll put him 89 if there was a cheating stats in game
Because of the attack in the Tour ?
No because of what he did in the vuelta |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 04:11
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
He might be one of the best GT rider but he's a cheater as well. I'll put him 89 if there was a cheating stats in game
Because of the attack in the Tour ?
No because of what he did in the vuelta
So 99% of the riders are cheaters then? Sticky bottle...
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 05:01
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Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
He might be one of the best GT rider but he's a cheater as well. I'll put him 89 if there was a cheating stats in game
Because of the attack in the Tour ?
No because of what he did in the vuelta
So 99% of the riders are cheaters then? Sticky bottle...
Do you see 99% of the peloton holding a car in a race ? don't think so |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 06:32
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. . . . . . . . . Mon HIL REC TT
Froome. . . . 83 - 78 - 78 - 78
Contador. . . 83 - 78 - 80 - 76
Quintana. . . 83 - 77 - 83 - 72
Landa. . . . . 81 - 76 - 78 - 66
Valverde. . . 81 - 82 - 76 - 74
Aru. . . . . . . 81 - 76 - 79 - 72
Nibali ... . . . 81 - 77 - 80- 74
Rodriguez. . 80 - 81 - 76 - 67
Pinot...........80 - 77 - 78 - 72
Majka. . . . . 80 - 76 - 77 - 71
Porte ... . . . 80 - 77 - 68 - 77
V.Garderen. 80- 76 - 74 - 76
Bardet.........79 - 77 - 77 - 70
Thomas. . . .79 - 76 - 70 - 76
Gesink.........79 - 76 - 76 - 73
Dumoulin.....79 - 77 - 75 - 80
Chaves........79 - 77 - 75 - 68
Uran............79 - 76 - 77 - 75
Péraud.........78 - 76 - 77 - 74
Hejsedal......78 - 76 - 80 - 73
Kruiijswijk....78- 76 - 78 - 71
Nieve...........78 - 75 - 73- 65
Moreno.........78 - 78 - 73 - 66
Mollema........78 - 76 - 74 - 72
Amador.........78 - 75 - 73 - 70
König............78 - 75 - 73 - 71
Rolland..........78 - 75 - 70 - 64
Poels.............78 - 75 - 68 - 72
Edited by Arberg27 on 18-09-2015 12:14
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 18-09-2015 06:36
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
He might be one of the best GT rider but he's a cheater as well. I'll put him 89 if there was a cheating stats in game
Because of the attack in the Tour ?
No because of what he did in the vuelta
So 99% of the riders are cheaters then? Sticky bottle...
Do you see 99% of the peloton holding a car in a race ? don't think so
Yes.
After a crash riders will hold cars and sticky bottles, etc. just bend the rules and the commissionaires will turn a bit if a blind eye to it, given their misfortune, Nibali just bent the rules a little too much.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 18-09-2015 07:02
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Arberg your Chaves Mon vs Hill is a joke, if anything he's that reversed. In fact a lot of that is a joke if I'm honest.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 18-09-2015 07:44
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fidjim2013 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
In my opinion:
Caleb Ewan spr77 ace79
F. Gaviria spr76 ace78
Both with Potential 7
Nope for me Caleb Ewan is 76SP 78ACC
F. Gaviria 75SP 77ACC
Do you think that Caleb Dewan with 76 could he win to Degenkolb, Sagan and another sprinters in la Vuelta a España???
And what do you think about Stuyven guys?? 75 spr and 75 acc??? |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 18-09-2015 09:47
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But when Stuyven won the stage was hilly, so if yoy give spr75, ace75 and 73 in hills he could win |
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| thisnameisgenius |
Posted on 18-09-2015 09:50
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78MTN would be a good rating for Dumoulin. 78MTN riders usually don't keep up with 80+ MTN riders going for the win. Don't forget about all the 78+ MTN riders Dumoulin beat before stage 20. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:21
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This was a very cool thread, before "mr. i know all the stats best, so dont try to even argue with me about them" took over it. 
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:23
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Can admins please make sure that if someone gets enough downvotes in this thread, he can no longer post here? 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:25
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Ollfardh wrote:
Can admins please make sure that if someone gets enough downvotes in this thread, he can no longer post here?
Nah, come on, where is some democracy?
Btw, i havent meant Aarberg with my above post. 
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:31
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I think we've more or less settled these stats for Ewan and Gaviria. Ewan justifies his stat by beating Sagan and Degenkolb in an uphill sprint and Gaviria cleanly beating Greipel who is quite a few points above him anyway. Putting Gaviria less than 78 makes no sense as that would make him the same speed as one of Greipel's leadout men and he's clearly faster than that.
Also worth noting that a lot of these are based on performances at the Vuelta which is usually not a very sprinter friendly GT anyway and a lot of these riders won their sprints after hilly stages.
Ewan: SP: 77 AC: 80 HI: 73
Gaviria: SP: 78 AC: 78 HI: 70
Trek seem to have a lot of improving sprinters this season:
Nizzolo: SP: 78 AC: 78 HI: 71
DVP: SP: 77 AC: 78 HI: 67
Stuyven: SP: 76 AC: 75 HI: 72
Sbaragli looked pretty good as well in the Vuelta:
Sbaragli: SP: 76 AC: 76 HI: 72 |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:33
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Tinkoff riders Poljanski and Hansen were good climbing donestiques, thoughts about their mtn stats? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:39
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Agree with your sprint stats, although I would give Stuyven 73 Hill and 75 Spr instead.
I think I got Poljanski to 75 and Hansen to 74, but not 100% sure.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 18-09-2015 10:39
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Tinkoff riders Poljanski and Hansen were good climbing donestiques, thoughts about their mtn stats?
Both lie around 74 with Poljanski perhaps on 75 imo.
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