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Arberg27
Nibali is overrated.
 
bob7
Arberg27 wrote:
Nibali is overrated.


Why ? He won last year's Tour, this year he has great second half of the race. I do not like him, because he only prepare for one race in entire season, but he can compete.
 
Tafiolmo
Arberg27 wrote:
Nibali is overrated.


No he's not, he's won 3 GT's already and is fully capable of winning another couple as well. he's the perfect 82 mtn rider and you know he's one of the best GT riders of this generation.
 
Forever the Best
Arberg27 wrote:
Nibali is overrated.
https://www.fietsica.be/Tour2014.pdf
Also:https://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/t...-the-tour/
Nibali 2014 can match Froome 2013.Froome 2015 wasn't better than Froome 2013 so:Nibbles is even underrated imo.
 
AiZaK
In my opinion:

Caleb Ewan spr77 ace79
F. Gaviria spr76 ace78

Both with Potential 7
 
bob7
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Nibali is overrated.
https://www.fietsica.be/Tour2014.pdf
Also:https://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/t...-the-tour/
Nibali 2014 can match Froome 2013.Froome 2015 wasn't better than Froome 2013 so:Nibbles is even underrated imo.


Great articles man!
 
Forever the Best
bob7 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Nibali is overrated.
https://www.fietsica.be/Tour2014.pdf
Also:https://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/t...-the-tour/
Nibali 2014 can match Froome 2013.Froome 2015 wasn't better than Froome 2013 so:Nibbles is even underrated imo.


Great articles man!
Thanks
 
Tafiolmo
Quite a few differences of opinions here for Ewan and Gaviria and this is what we have now between us based on differing opinions:

Ewan: SP 78-77 ACC 80-79 Hill 74
Gaviria: SP 78-75 ACC 78 Hill 70-69
 
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jandal7
I'd say for 2015 dbs:

Ewan: SP: 77 ACC: 77 HI: 70-72
Gaviria: SP: 75 ACC: 74-75 HI: 69-70
DVP: SP: 77-78 ACC: 77-78 HI: 67-70

Maybe bit high for Ewan and DVP, thoughts? My thoughts in Tafiolmo's post don't make sense as I am doing theses for start of the season as no 2016 db has arrived to discuss yet and we can only guess.
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Tafiolmo
jandal7 wrote:
I'd say for 2015 dbs:

Ewan: SP: 77 ACC: 77 HI: 70-72
Gaviria: SP: 75 ACC: 74-75 HI: 69-70
DVP: SP: 77-78 ACC: 77-78 HI: 67-70

Maybe bit high for Ewan and DVP, thoughts? My thoughts in Tafiolmo's post don't make sense as I am doing theses for start of the season as no 2016 db has arrived to discuss yet and we can only guess.


Well the victories by Ewan and Gaviria (Vuelta and TOB) were pretty impressive and clean victories over some of the best sprinters, so that's kind of important, as Paul said their backup stats are not great so all they're going to do at this stage is win odd stages in big races.

If I was rating at the moment I'd go with:

Ewan: SP: 77 ACC: 80 HI: 74
Gaviria: SP: 78 ACC: 78 HI: 70
DVP: SP: 78 ACC: 78 HI: 67
 
Spilak23
wow if you're giving Ewan 74 hill that's way too high
 
Tafiolmo
Spilak23 wrote:
wow if you're giving Ewan 74 hill that's way too high


Nobody has suggested a hill stat for him or can't. Sagan and Matthews have 76 and 77 hill and Degenkolb 73 hill. So you think 72-73 better than this, as any less than this rules him out of uphill sprint wins.
 
jandal7
Tafiolmo wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
I'd say for 2015 dbs:

Ewan: SP: 77 ACC: 77 HI: 70-72
Gaviria: SP: 75 ACC: 74-75 HI: 69-70
DVP: SP: 77-78 ACC: 77-78 HI: 67-70

Maybe bit high for Ewan and DVP, thoughts? My thoughts in Tafiolmo's post don't make sense as I am doing theses for start of the season as no 2016 db has arrived to discuss yet and we can only guess.


Well the victories by Ewan and Gaviria (Vuelta and TOB) were pretty impressive and clean victories over some of the best sprinters, so that's kind of important, as Paul said their backup stats are not great so all they're going to do at this stage is win odd stages in big races.

If I was rating at the moment I'd go with:

Ewan: SP: 77 ACC: 80 HI: 74
Gaviria: SP: 78 ACC: 78 HI: 70
DVP: SP: 78 ACC: 78 HI: 67


Oh ok we're on two different pages. I'm rating them for ep and youre rating for now. I can live with close to that, would adjust some things (Ewan hill 72/73, but he has potential) but thats for me.
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Arberg27
Nibali

2009: Contador from another planet.
2010: He could not keep up with Mosquera in the mountains.
2011: Contador much stronger.
2012: Froome and Wiggins much stronger.
2013: He could not keep up with Horner in the mountains.
2014: Lost time to Contador on all the mountain stages. He won only tour last year because Contador and Froome crash, Quintana was not with and Valverde was in bad condition. (Contador was clearly the best last year) Péraud was #2 makes him not to +81 climber.
2015: He could not follow Froome, Quintana and Valverde in the mountains. Contador had also beaten him easily if he had not Giro, as he always has.
Edited by Arberg27 on 17-09-2015 23:11
 
Forever the Best
Arberg27 wrote:
2013: He could not keep up with Horner in the mountains.
2014: Lost time to Contador on all the mountain stages. He won only tour last year because Contador and Froome crash, Quintana was not with and Valverde was in bad condition. (Contador was clearly the best last year) Péraud was # 2 makes him not to +81 climber.
2015: He could not follow Froome, Quintana and Valverde in the mountains. Contador had beaten him easily if he had not Giro, as he always has.
Horner 2013 Angliru was even faster than Contador 2008
Horner also broke the Pena Cabarga record
https://www.climbing-records.com/2013/...ecord.html
https://www.climbing-records.com/2013/...econd.html

I made a comparison between Nibbles and Froome,not Nibbles and Contador.And Contador would have beaten Nibbles that year in mountains.But Nibbles would have been on par with Froome on the mountains

In 2015 he was in crap form in Le Tour still won the La Touissouire stage after a superb solo ride.


Nibali was not on his peak time in 2009-2010-2011-2012.Plus he only lost 23 seconds to Wiggins and 27 seconds to Froome on the mountains in 2012 TdF.
Edited by Forever the Best on 17-09-2015 23:15
 
Arberg27
The Schleck Fan wrote: Nibali was not on his peak time in 2009-2010-2011-2012-2013-2014-2015
Wink
 
Forever the Best
Arberg27 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote: Nibali was not on his peak time in 2009-2010-2011-2012-2013-2014-2015
Wink
You really think that 2014 Nibali is same as 201009-2010-2011-2012 Nibali?
 
Arberg27
Yes, Nibali and Jean-Christophe Péraud just very lucky with the opponents was much worse.

2013:
2014:
2015:
Edited by Arberg27 on 17-09-2015 23:55
 
Paul23
Arberg, please stop the trolling.
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Forever the Best
As I said,Horner 2013 Angliru was faster than Contador 2008 Angliru.
In 2014 Dauphine he was preparing for Le Tour and was using the Schleck approach of only being prepared for 1 race and in 2015 he was way off form there.He was even behind Serge Pauwels,Eduardo Sepulveda etc.
 
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