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The Greatest Cobble Classics Rider?
Ian Butler
Also, I just re-checked De Vlaeminck's palmares. He really was Mr. Roubaix, unbelievable.

Results:
5, 2, 7, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 2, 2, 6.
Never DNF, never outside the top 7. Amazing.
 
Spilak23
He did DNF once in 1980. That was the first time ever (his 12th participation) that he had any sort of mechanical or crash in Paris-Roubaix.
 
Ian Butler
Oh, didn't show up in the stats on wiki.

But still, those stats are impressive Grin
Boonen might have 4 victories as well, but in Roubaix, Vlaeminck is king.

Cobbles in general, I'm still inclined to say Boonen.
 
Ollfardh
I'll give you Boonen to counter, before his bad luck streak started in 2013, each year at least 1 podium in one of the 4 cobble WT classics from 2002-2012. Record number of wins in all 4 of those, that is 15 wins total!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Arberg27
Ollfardh wrote:
I'll give you Boonen to counter, before his bad luck streak started in 2013, each year at least 1 podium in one of the 4 cobble WT classics from 2002-2012. Record number of wins in all 4 of those, that is 15 wins total!
But Cancellara is/was much stronger.
 
Ian Butler
Arberg27 wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I'll give you Boonen to counter, before his bad luck streak started in 2013, each year at least 1 podium in one of the 4 cobble WT classics from 2002-2012. Record number of wins in all 4 of those, that is 15 wins total!
But Cancellara is/was much stronger.


Maybe Cancellara was stronger (which I still doubt), Boonen played it smarter, was the better sprinter and got the results. Say what you will, we're looking for the greatest cobbled rider and Boonen always manages to outsmart/outride everyone and win the race. In a sprint, solo, whatever.

Sometimes being the strongest doesn't make you the greatest Wink

Also, it shouldn't matter in looking for the greatest cobbler but Boonen's WC title does a lot for me. A true champion should've worn it, imo.
(Sorry De Vlaeminck... Though a cross WC is nice; too Pfft)
 
Ollfardh
Arberg27 wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I'll give you Boonen to counter, before his bad luck streak started in 2013, each year at least 1 podium in one of the 4 cobble WT classics from 2002-2012. Record number of wins in all 4 of those, that is 15 wins total!
But Cancellara is/was much stronger.


Define stronger. And while you're at it, explain why Boonen is at 15 and Cancellara at 9.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Arberg27
Cancellara started his career as a time trial rider until 2010. From 2010 to now he has won much more than any other. Only injuries, crashes or bad teammates can stop him.
 
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Arberg27 wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I'll give you Boonen to counter, before his bad luck streak started in 2013, each year at least 1 podium in one of the 4 cobble WT classics from 2002-2012. Record number of wins in all 4 of those, that is 15 wins total!
But Cancellara is/was much stronger.


maybe he is now and recently but earlier pre 2010 he definatly was NOT.
 
Ollfardh
Arberg27 wrote:
Cancellara started his career as a time trial rider until 2010. From 2010 to now he has won much more than any other. Only injuries, crashes or bad teammates can stop him.


Sorry, but that's just bull shit. He's been getting results in Roubaix since 2004. First win in 2006. 5th in Ronde 2006 (Boonen won), 2nd in E3 2007 behind Boonen. 2nd in Roubaix 2008 behind Boonen. Saying Cancellara was just a time trialist is like saying Kristoff is just a sprinter.

In 2010, he was definitely better then Boonen, but before that Boonen was the better rider. After 2010, there hasn't been much of a contest due to alternating bad luck of the two. Boonen won when Cancellara wasn't racing and Cancellara won when Boonen wasn't racing.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
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