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La Vuelta a España 2015 - Week 2
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-09-2015 19:00
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In the Giro Bio of 2010 Dumoulin put 2:27 in Aru. Both are much better now. But I still think it's realistic that Aru and Rodriguez lose between 2 and 3'30, depending on what day Dumoulin is on.
If he's on a really good day, like TDF 2014 or World CH 2014...they could all be destroyed |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 07-09-2015 19:24
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FroomeDog99 wrote:
dominox wrote:
On 38km ITT in Suisse Majka lost 1:26 to Dumoulin. With Aru & Rodriguez riding TT of their life, Tom could not wear red after TT.
That was hilly though, this one's much flatter so the gaps could be bigger between Dumoulin and the rest.
The TT at Suisse was not hilly, have a closer look at the elevation profile of that TT and you'll see that it was far from hilly.
Edit: Suisse TT was around 460-480 elevation gain, no idea what the Vuelta TT is but looks roughly on poor stage profile to be 200-300 maybe more
Edited by Strydz on 07-09-2015 19:37
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Posted on 07-09-2015 19:30
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ruben wrote:
In the Giro Bio of 2010 Dumoulin put 2:27 in Aru. Both are much better now. But I still think it's realistic that Aru and Rodriguez lose between 2 and 3'30, depending on what day Dumoulin is on.
If he's on a really good day, like TDF 2014 or World CH 2014...they could all be destroyed
and if he's on a bad day, like Nationals 2015, he might not even win. which is also a possibility even despite he rode nationals on 70% and tired from Suisse, he's now tired Vuelta.
edit: Strydz with that super zabel skills, zabeling me now (although with different information) and beating me to the Kittel question by Ian 
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-09-2015 19:30
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I watched that TT on tv. The end seemed pretty hilly at least. It's harder than Burgos anyway. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-09-2015 19:37
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If Dumoulin was tired from Suisse, he must be dead exhausted now.
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Posted on 07-09-2015 19:41
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He looked as fresh as a daisy on the Dutch TV interview though |
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Posted on 07-09-2015 19:41
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He looked as fresh as a daisy on the Dutch TV interview though |
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Posted on 07-09-2015 20:12
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dominox wrote:
On 38km ITT in Suisse Majka lost 1:26 to Dumoulin. With Aru & Rodriguez riding TT of their life, Tom could not wear red after TT.
Yeah but Majka is also a better TT-Rider then Aru and Purito. |
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Posted on 07-09-2015 20:13
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Wednesday the trial will decide the vuelta ... for me Aru is the favorite for the final victory |
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Posted on 07-09-2015 20:21
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Will go head to head between Aru and Dumuolin, only previous meeting between the two in the Giro of 2010, where Dumoulin gave 2'27 "to Aru 30 km.
Logic says Dumoulin, but Aru has grit and strength, and is one that knows how to throw your heart over the obstacle.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 07-09-2015 20:23
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Dumoulin has the Vuelta almost won. Just.. wow. Who could've though. If it happens, ruben will be running naked in his street celebrating. 
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 07-09-2015 20:26
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udoi wrote:
Wednesday the trial will decide the vuelta ... for me Aru is the favorite for the final victory
Aru is very bad at TT, dunno why stats from 2010 is being mentioned.
Dumo will put 2-3.30 on purito and aru.
Dumo will win GT, Majka second third is open.
Strydz 2 weeks ago we argued about which jaw Tom's hand have been in. You kept arguing it wasnt a surprise of his perfomance, what about now after these days? The guys he copes with and guys he outclimbs..
The guy weighs 15 kg more than some of his rivals.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-09-2015 20:26
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I really hope either Dumoulin or JRod pull this off. JRod because he deserves it and Dumoulin because he's kinda sympathic to me.
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Dumoulin is the type of power rider I like so I'd like to see him win but Purito really deserves to win a GT as in his career he's been worth at least 2 GT's. |
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Posted on 07-09-2015 22:54
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Schleck, Bennett, Purito... Somebody wake me up now because this dream is too damn cruel
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Posted on 07-09-2015 23:28
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The riders can go screw at this point. The only one who deserves to win is Dumoulin honestly.
Though I do in my heart want Purito to win but if him not attacking further out today costs him the title I wont feel bad.
No matter the stage design if the Peloton doesnt want to try you dont have a bike race.
Dumoulin knows he is the best by a pretty significant amount in the TT so he just has to follow and keep everything close. The rest of these guys should be ashamed of themselves for how they have raced.
There is NO difference between 5th and 20th place. So not trying because you want to conserve that 5th place is just laughable.
This is the reason Alberto is amazing, he makes races and stages exciting no matter if he wins or loses. Part of being a great athlete is being exciting to not just your fans but everyone.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-09-2015 03:03
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Ybodonk wrote:
udoi wrote:
Wednesday the trial will decide the vuelta ... for me Aru is the favorite for the final victory
Aru is very bad at TT, dunno why stats from 2010 is being mentioned.
Dumo will put 2-3.30 on purito and aru.
Dumo will win GT, Majka second third is open.
Strydz 2 weeks ago we argued about which jaw Tom's hand have been in. You kept arguing it wasnt a surprise of his perfomance, what about now after these days? The guys he copes with and guys he outclimbs..
The guy weighs 15 kg more than some of his rivals.
How can I be surprised with cycling anymore? Watched Indurain, Armstrong and then the overnight transformation of Froome from pack fodder to GT star! It's hard to get surprised by Dumoulin.....
But yes I will concede to you that his performance to still be in contention is surprising 
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Movistar wrote:
The riders can go screw at this point. The only one who deserves to win is Dumoulin honestly.
Though I do in my heart want Purito to win but if him not attacking further out today costs him the title I wont feel bad.
No matter the stage design if the Peloton doesnt want to try you dont have a bike race.
Dumoulin knows he is the best by a pretty significant amount in the TT so he just has to follow and keep everything close. The rest of these guys should be ashamed of themselves for how they have raced.
There is NO difference between 5th and 20th place. So not trying because you want to conserve that 5th place is just laughable.
This is the reason Alberto is amazing, he makes races and stages exciting no matter if he wins or loses. Part of being a great athlete is being exciting to not just your fans but everyone.
Even Purito at his best (and he is nowhere near his best anymore) didn't attack from a long way out, he's never been a true long range climber but always a punchy climber, if he would of attacked from a long way out today then he would be lucky to still be in the top 3 because he would of faltered. Also the race doesn't end after the TT, even if Dumoulin pulls out a massive TT which is 50/50 he still won't be anymore than a minute in front with 2/3 stages where the other riders and teams have a shot of gaining time.
Also to say there is no difference between 5th and 20th place is rubbish, maybe not to you and fans but it might mean something to the rider and team, I get tired of fans demanding riders do this and that, it's the riders career not ours, I'd be pretty happy to get to the end of my career and say I'd finished 5th in a GT
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| Movistar |
Posted on 08-09-2015 05:23
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Strydz wrote:
Movistar wrote:
The riders can go screw at this point. The only one who deserves to win is Dumoulin honestly.
Though I do in my heart want Purito to win but if him not attacking further out today costs him the title I wont feel bad.
No matter the stage design if the Peloton doesnt want to try you dont have a bike race.
Dumoulin knows he is the best by a pretty significant amount in the TT so he just has to follow and keep everything close. The rest of these guys should be ashamed of themselves for how they have raced.
There is NO difference between 5th and 20th place. So not trying because you want to conserve that 5th place is just laughable.
This is the reason Alberto is amazing, he makes races and stages exciting no matter if he wins or loses. Part of being a great athlete is being exciting to not just your fans but everyone.
Even Purito at his best (and he is nowhere near his best anymore) didn't attack from a long way out, he's never been a true long range climber but always a punchy climber, if he would of attacked from a long way out today then he would be lucky to still be in the top 3 because he would of faltered. Also the race doesn't end after the TT, even if Dumoulin pulls out a massive TT which is 50/50 he still won't be anymore than a minute in front with 2/3 stages where the other riders and teams have a shot of gaining time.
Also to say there is no difference between 5th and 20th place is rubbish, maybe not to you and fans but it might mean something to the rider and team, I get tired of fans demanding riders do this and that, it's the riders career not ours, I'd be pretty happy to get to the end of my career and say I'd finished 5th in a GT
I am talking at 2km instead of 1km. Not some crazy 20km attack.
What stage after the TT allows for any real time gain without a rider having a mechanical or totally cracking? Answer none.
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| vismitananda |
Posted on 08-09-2015 06:37
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I still have my faith in Purito winning this GT. He's a deserving rider than any of the top 5. But I wouldn't mind if Aru, Tom, or Majka gets the overall, these riders are awesome so far. Majka seems tired in every interview he's had, or is that how he really is?
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