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Mid stage save option
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| tommyboy |
Posted on 02-09-2015 19:54
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New to the game and most enjoyable but...
Is there a mid-stage save option, or do you have to play out in one go?
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 02-09-2015 19:55
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No save option during the stage.
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| tommyboy |
Posted on 02-09-2015 19:57
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That was quick, thanks.
And is there an option to 'sim to finish', or do you have to play through once starting in 3D?
Thanks again |
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 02-09-2015 20:02
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To be honest, it doesn't take that long to play a stage - just 8x the speed if you need to finish quickly
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 02-09-2015 20:10
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tommyboy wrote:
That was quick, thanks.
And is there an option to 'sim to finish', or do you have to play through once starting in 3D?
Thanks again
Play through. Or quit the stage and sim it without 3D 
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 02-09-2015 20:19
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A pity really as the amount of times I've wanted to play the second half of a stage that I screwed up with the first time round. |
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| FreireCyanide |
Posted on 15-09-2015 14:33
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In the future, is it something you would like A LOT (the option to save/load during the race) ?
I know there would be no interest in answering "this option would not interest me" because it sounds to be only a bonus to have it but the point is more to know if it's something important/very important or not so important...
Let us know your thoughts about this
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 15-09-2015 14:38
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I think the option "sim to finish" mentioned above would be more useful, but I guess it's also harder to make.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| FreireCyanide |
Posted on 15-09-2015 14:46
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thanks for your answer Ollfardh.
Could you explain me what is the interest with the "sim to finish" option?
It's not I want to be unpleasant with you but I'm not sure to get exactly the interest of it (a x8 is maybe not that fast but if you have something urgent and need to finish the game, you can still use that and so the race will be quickly finished no ?)  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 15-09-2015 14:47
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If you don't have time to finish a stage, don't start it to begin with or just quit mid-way and do it again when you've got time. Wack it up to x8 and you'll be done in 5minutes. Stages really do not take very long to complete in the scheme of things. A Mid-Stage save option i do not see as being needed when you compare it with the currently available alternative methods.
Most certainly there are a lot more areas of the games that need looking at first, before we need a mid-stage save. So so many many many more areas of the game that need working on first.
A mid-stage save option should be almost at the bottom of any Cyanide priority list. Make the game at least an 8/10, then add these nice little extras after that.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 15-09-2015 14:55
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tbh, I would LOVE to see the detailed simulation back in pcm. Maybe with the option to join mid-stage.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 15-09-2015 14:58
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FreireCyanide wrote:
thanks for your answer Ollfardh.
Could you explain me what is the interest with the "sim to finish" option?
It's not I want to be unpleasant with you but I'm not sure to get exactly the interest of it (a x8 is maybe not that fast but if you have something urgent and need to finish the game, you can still use that and so the race will be quickly finished no ?)
Well, the issue is not really urgency related. I meant it more for when circumstances don't really encourage you to continue. Sprinter having -5 on a flat stage? Let's just finish it with a simul. Breakaway with a huge gap on transition stage? Finish it with a simul. A classic where your chances of winning are gone and I don't want to fight for a top 10 position? Just simul it and see if you got that top 10 in the end.
But I do believe that would be a lot of work for your programmers and as TMM said, there are other priorities 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| togo95 |
Posted on 15-09-2015 15:07
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Paul23 wrote:
tbh, I would LOVE to see the detailed simulation back in pcm. Maybe with the option to join mid-stage.
Yup, but only if it works this time. The detailed sim I mean not the option to join mid-stage. |
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| FreireCyanide |
Posted on 15-09-2015 15:08
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Do not bother with "how difficult it would be". There are other considerations when doing such a feature. For instance on this particular case, we already have 30 to 40% of the task done because we had a strong interest for the development & debug (when you develop a feature or change something in the AI, you can try & reload your save lots of time to test your code modifications, instead of re-starting your stage from scratch => that saves a lof of time for us).
btw the second part of the task is not yet done, that is not "free" because you have to cover all the areas (for instance: make it work in career, in pro cyclist, be sure there are no side effects bugs, etc..) and debug several things in order to make it "shippable" as a feature.
It could also help (for the future) for instance instead of simply give an AI feedback, we could collect saves during the stage and directly check what is going on
But apart from that, it's interesting to have your feedbacks about the feature. |
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| Ripley |
Posted on 16-09-2015 08:29
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Point #1 when we are talking about PCM and save games: Please let us manage our save games, that is, be able to save manually and choose a file name. Sure, the continuous autosave is useful, and the weekly saves help a bit, but a management game like this needs manual saves. Imagine the Football Manager didn't have proper save games. For PCM I use a workaround and create a copy of the save game, I usually put it right on my desktop. But loading it requires to exit the game and copy&replace the file, which isn't exactly elegant.
As for mid-3D-game saving: Not strictly necessary, though the game likes to freeze on me late in a difficult stage which I micromanaged carefully and it's a letdown to lose an hour like that. So I would appreciate, say, an autosave which updates itself every 10 minutes during stages. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-09-2015 10:04
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FreireCyanide wrote:
In the future, is it something you would like A LOT (the option to save/load during the race) ?
I know there would be no interest in answering "this option would not interest me" because it sounds to be only a bonus to have it but the point is more to know if it's something important/very important or not so important...
Let us know your thoughts about this
thanks
I think a mid-game save in the 3D mode would be a great idea and allow players greater control of how a stage pans out especially if the second half of the race doesn't go so well. |
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| togo95 |
Posted on 16-09-2015 12:37
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I actually don't even think it would be a plus to have such option (mid-stage save). You might think, that's strange, more options is surely better than less. And usually I would agree, but not in this case.
IMO the option to save progress of a stage would take some responsibility to think and plan out the stage off the players' shoulders. The player doesn't even need to plan to use the feature but the fact that there is this possibility to go back would make him/her think less about the outcome of his/her actions. Because, you know, if something goes horribly wrong you can always go back and play the second part again.
This would gradually make people who are not prone to this (I agree there are some, but I think they are a minority. I, for one know that I am not) worse players over time. Normally when you decide what to do in a race (or anywhere else) you take into account the pros and cons and weight their chances. However, with a mid-stage save option you don't need to do this (and let's be honest, if we don't need to do something, we usually don't do it).
You might say that the mid-save option would make it possible for players to risk more, but that's not true. What is the risk of attacking 100 km out, if you know that if you lose loads of time as a result, you can just go back and play the stage without attacking?
No, the excitement comes when you know that you actually risk something (i.e. if you attack and lose time, than this time is really lost) and it goes well. If you know there is no risk of you losing time, because you can just play it again, than there is also little excitement when it goes better than expected too. |
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| coolrex |
Posted on 16-09-2015 15:11
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@FreireCyanide with the simulation it's that the strategy is almost not used, i've put thousands of times someone on go for Mountain Jersey, but even with a 85 mountain player he won't get it. is this something impossible or what? and surely this must be possible if cycling through the Tour de France.
Second on that Save Option it would be to overpowered. for example if you load it the first time you get a max lead of 20 minutes but not further so you safe it. but the next time they even let you further triggering the bug that they won't chase you anymore and you are free to win the breakaway on +20 minutes |
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| IgnotusOne |
Posted on 19-07-2016 10:17
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FreireCyanide wrote:
In the future, is it something you would like A LOT (the option to save/load during the race) ?
Let us know your thoughts about this
thanks
@FreireCyanide, this may not be of interest to those with enough time on their hands, but for me it's the difference between whether I give up on PCM altogether or buy PCM 2017.
If I'm lucky, I get maybe an hour in the morning to play the game before I go to work and half an hour on the train if I don't have any other work to do. The x8 option in these circumstances is at best deeply unsatisfying and at worst downright frustrating. It works fine if all you're interested in is whizzing to the end of the stage and setting up a sprint train: but it's really irritating if you're managing a Fighter in a breakaway and trying to box and cox with the breaks, or trying to mark your most dangerous opponent with a Climber who does a 'Quintana' and fails to react when the opponent attacks. All of a sudden, you're struggling to catch up - and then you have to quit out of the race before it's over because you've simply run out of time - or race to the end on x8 and watch your opponent win.
PCM is a wonderfully sophisticated simulation of the strategies and tactics involved in cycle racing, but you miss most of that at x8 speed and it hardly becomes worth playing.
So yes, if PCM 17 advertised the option of a 'save mid-stage', I'd buy it. Otherwise, I simply have to give up on this game. |
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