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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:22
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Small check:
Sagan has, compared to other 76HI guys, on average:
- +8 Flat
- + 13 Sprint
- + 10 Acceleration
- + 5 Resistance (RES is really noticeable this game, btw)
- + 4 Stamina.
Wonder if he's going to do better than all the other 76HI guys 
On top of that, the only 77HI guys he's not by far superior to regarding backups are Greg van Avermaet and Tony Gallopin, even though Sagan still has an edge on those two.
Trust me, the guy will feel like a 78HI in game, if not even more .
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:28
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Really? So maybe you were sleeping during the Tour, but how on earth can Sagan get top5 in game with 76hill in stages like Mende or Mur de Bretagne, where he was irl challenging guys like Valverde, Gallopin, Vuillermoz?
With 0.8V stats in game, i never see Sagan challenging podiums in those types of stages because of his low hill stat. It wont change with 76 hill, it is even lower then he had before i believe, or same?
That is more than possible Avin.
The game in those stages measures not only the hill stat, but also the secondary stats, and crucially, the acceleration stat. With his stats, I'm fairly sure Sagan can still win green on PCM, and fight for hilly stages that suit him (and knowing how PCM handles hill/sprint combo, he's the most op rider in the game). |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:34
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And I do believe the days where we think Sagan could win one of the Ardennes are over (with his current specialisation focus). He was a wonderboy with huge potential, but I don't see him reaching it. He hasn't improved much over the last few years, I would even say he takes hills less good than he used to.
Still, he's an amazing rider, and his allround abilities should get him some nice results with these stats. He's fast, survives hills, takes cobbles really well, great descending skills and just an all round powermachine. But 76-77 hill should be enough 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:34
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Im missimg Hesjedal on the list. He is 78 in my opinion and if Kreuijswik gets 78 he certanly can't be any lower especially considering Gallopin is 77(Should be 74-75). Also I think Degenkolb should be 81 in cobbles. He wasn't performing good in all the cobbles classics, but was really impressive in PR and the tour stage. So he Should at least be as high as Gva and Stybar who benefits by being good punchers.
Other than that it seems like really good work . I may adjust stats stats after my own personal preferences which I think pcm is all about.
Edited by Omloop on 07-08-2015 10:37
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:35
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Well, that sounds great in theory, but PCM is super shite when it comes to applying secondary stats to game as they should matter. How much Sagan had in 0.8V? Because even there, i dont see him challenging for podiums in hilly stages at Tour, when i play my career with other team. He is smashed by 78-xxx hill riders every time. But Jesleyh seems pretty confident about this, so it does not make sense to discuss it much further. 
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:39
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Hesjedal is 78MO and 81REC. If he doesn't appear on the screen then I have messed up there, but he is just that in game.
Gallopin 77(or at least 76+) is something that is hard to argue in my opinion.
@Avin
Well, he had the same HI in the previous release. I am pretty sure he'd be a very serious Ardennes contender on 78HI. 77HI can be argued but for me he is between 76 and 77, and his very awesome backup stats give him an easy edge.
Sorry for not fulfilling your wishes
There's an editor anyway, you can higher up Sagan like I'm highering up Kelderman in my own game
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:43
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This is not at all about what i wish, nor i am playing with Sagan in the game. I am just giving feedback from what i am seeing in the game when i play other teams.
But thanks for yours feedback mate.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:44
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Yep, I see.
Thanks for your feedback as well. We're probably going to test it result-wise a bit for a later release. Sagan is just a hard one to stat.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-08-2015 10:50
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Just a question: Vandenbergh has 60 downhill and all the other cobbled riders over 70. Doesn't he lose all his energy on the descents of the cobbled hills?
He doesn't strike me as such an awfull descender compared to some of the other cobbles contenders.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 07-08-2015 11:43
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dark_x2012 wrote:
Why does Landa have worse back-up stats than Aru but better mountain? And only 1 difference with Contador as well? We all saw what Contador did on stage 16 of the Giro. He couldn't have done that with only 1 stat point difference. Landa win stage 16...
Edited by Arberg27 on 07-08-2015 11:47
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| SpattyGamer |
Posted on 07-08-2015 11:47
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Arberg27 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
Why does Landa have worse back-up stats than Aru but better mountain? And only 1 difference with Contador as well? We all saw what Contador did on stage 16 of the Giro. He couldn't have done that with only 1 stat point difference. And you can't say it was daily shape cuz eventually Landa won the stage. Otherwise only small disagreements like Sagan's hill, which I'll edit for myself. Thank you guys. Landa win stage 16...
I think he is talking about what Contador did on Mortirolo |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 07-08-2015 12:15
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SpattyGamer wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
Why does Landa have worse back-up stats than Aru but better mountain? And only 1 difference with Contador as well? We all saw what Contador did on stage 16 of the Giro. He couldn't have done that with only 1 stat point difference. And you can't say it was daily shape cuz eventually Landa won the stage. Otherwise only small disagreements like Sagan's hill, which I'll edit for myself. Thank you guys. Landa win stage 16...
I think he is talking about what Contador did on Mortirolo
Landa wait for Aru. Contador has 2 more than Aru.
Aru was much better than Contador on stage 19 and stage 20, Contador only beat Aru total because time trial.
Landa was the best in the Giro and has won if he should not be a domestique for Aru. |
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| totto |
Posted on 07-08-2015 12:41
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With 0.8V stats in game, i never see Sagan challenging podiums in those types of stages because of his low hill stat. It wont change with 76 hill, it is even lower then he had before i believe, or same? Well I did. I suppose it depends on each game... |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 07-08-2015 12:47
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Froome ACC
Simple. What we've tried to simulate here is that Froome rides like Froome.
As you can see we gave Froome a lot of RES. It is because of his riding style. In some stages we saw Quintana attack but Froome not following (maybe he was able to, but he simply proceeded to look at his stem) but instead riding his own pace.
Froome's ACC is a very hard stat to assign, but we thought this was the best solution.
See stage 3 and stage 10. when he attacks his acceleration from another planet!
It's true that when he is in defense mode, he run his own pace. It's a choice whether you choose acceleration or own pace. This selected must also be taken in PCM. It has nothing to do with the stars.
Jesleyh wrote:
@Arberg
Contador's ACC definitely is top and that is a weapon he can use. His attacks this Tour haven't been too powerful but obviously he was suffering from his Giro - Tour double so we will not be too hard for him.
2007-2011? Yes. 2012-2015? No.
Edited by Arberg27 on 07-08-2015 14:00
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| Zysh |
Posted on 07-08-2015 16:15
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Hello everyone!
Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but anyway;
I just started a career with the new database and after I've played 3 months it seems that Valverde's stats already started to decay, which I find odd since he has had a great 2015 season.
So my question to you guys is: Did you guys determine when the riders' stats should start decaying or is it "pre-determined" by Cyanide?
Anyway, I still very much enjoy this database and I'm very glad that there are people, who wanted to spend so much time on this project <3 |
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-08-2015 16:15
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DB makers have no effect on the decline of stats since Cyanide deactivated age_decline. |
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| Zysh |
Posted on 07-08-2015 16:19
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ruben wrote:
DB makers have no effect on the decline of stats since Cyanide deactivated age_decline.
Oh okay, thanks for the quick reply |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 07-08-2015 17:35
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I personally have never seen Sagan win green in the TDF as the AI, of course with myself but he never does it with AI, absoloute impossible. So really i think we need to give him good sprint stats.
Also a little off topic but can someone just give me a reply to some stats for 2013 im in 2008 with Bigassi db and ive added Gesink Kreuziger and Ricco in the 08 season, i have have Ricco 79/79 with 85 acc and 85 fighter is that reasonable? Less or more would you say? I gave him low rec because i do not want him winning GT but lol he already won TA with these stats i will make a story about it soon i think i want some Andy Contador battles, also wb Gesnink i have him as 76/75 with 75 tt is that good enough? Gesink did not really come on till 08 VAE i think? I have him with 82/78 as his limit
Sorry for going bit off topic. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 07-08-2015 18:16
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I think that if you give Michael Rogers 77, How many deserves Beñat Intxausti for example??? |
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| SkyIsTheLimit |
Posted on 07-08-2015 18:50
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Hey,
Just out of interest, what does the FTR stat actually do in-game?
Also, could someone just confirm my existing understanding of each stat:
FLA - How good a rider is on the flat
MON - How good a rider is on mountains
HIL - How punchy a rider is
TTR - Time Trial Ability
PRL - Prologue Ability
COB - Ability on the cobbles
SPR - Sprint
ACC - How quickly the rider reaches top speed, but also how long the red bar lasts when you attack
DHI - Downhill
FTR - Fighter. *(How fast the red bar recovers?)*
STA - Stamina. *Determines energy level (Green Bar)?*
RES - Resistance. How long the yellow bar lasts
REC - Recovery. Determines how fast the green bar recovers from day to day, especially important in the GTs.
Thanks! |
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