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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-08-2015 20:23
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Ok, no stat screens in that case 
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| bob7 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 20:24
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-08-2015 21:10
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Ok, here you go. Some of these have not changed (much) though.
Don't just look at the main stat, also look at the backup stats, those are very important for the performances of the rider.
Keep in mind that these stats are also a matter of opinion.
There will definitely be people disagreeing with those stats, but we hope we can satisfy the most people possible.
This is what we think is a good reflectation on the performances of the riders throughout 2015(and a bit 2014). Not just TdF!
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| LucAl |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:05
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Tony Gallopin could be the real deal if he improves a little bit in some stats. He just can do everything. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:08
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Should focus on Ardennes in my opinion. Should be careful that he doesn't become ''good in everything but not top in anything'' 
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| nobeer |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:16
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Geraint Thomas 79MO, serious guys ? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:19
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What would you give him then?
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| LucAl |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:30
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Jesleyh wrote:
Should focus on Ardennes in my opinion. Should be careful that he doesn't become ''good in everything but not top in anything''
Yes, that's what I thought too. It's still very tempting to try to make him a GC rider, at least on some one week races like Paris Nice or the Vuelta al Pais Vasco. His back-up stats are still concerning for GT...
He's really developing in the kind of the new Laurent Jalabert. He could be very interesting as well as deceiptive because of his unability to do more than one shots from here to here. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:32
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I think 78 would be better |
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Posted on 23-11-2024 17:08
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:36
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I don't understand why froome acc got lowered though |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:39
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Does Degenstache really deserve the 80SP? I really doubt he'd outsprint Coquard and Viviani that often if they would have a lead out as good as Giant's. Add to that the 79FL over 74 the other guys have and Degenkolb is just unbeatable for those guys who should be just as fast imo. Personally I'd say Making Degenstache a 78/78 SP/ACC guy would reflect reality more.
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:44
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fjhoekie wrote:
Does Degenstache really deserve the 80SP? I really doubt he'd outsprint Coquard and Viviani that often if they would have a lead out as good as Giant's. Add to that the 79FL over 74 the other guys have and Degenkolb is just unbeatable for those guys who should be just as fast imo. Personally I'd say Making Degenstache a 78/78 SP/ACC guy would reflect reality more.
He's a world class sprinter and he is definitely faster than 78SP 78ACC the lowest he can be is 79SP 79ACC but if we had to lowered him we should do the same thing for kristoff he performed poorly during sprints in the TDF but did great during the spring campaign |
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| clamel |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:46
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Hey,
not sure why you guys (as many other DB creators) keep mixing up the TWO different Josh Berry in cycling.
In the v.0.8 you got Josh Berry 901201 in Budget from USA.
Well it's like this I do believe
The Josh Berry born in december 1990 is truly an american BUT not riding in the aussie team, but in Jelly Belly (USA)
https://www.procyc...?id=133897
The rider in Budget Forklift is another Josh Berry (Australia).
https://www.procyc...?id=176292
from New South Wales as a fact.
In some DBs they are correct, but not in this one.
The american is consider to be a decent sprinter, and the aussie is a very good climber (hills).
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1st 2014 King of Mountains - Tour of Tasmania
1st 2014 NSW Hill Climb Champ
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:47
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LucAl wrote:
Tony Gallopin could be the real deal if he improves a little bit in some stats. He just can do everything.
you sir are my new favorite member
Also, Tom Slagter definitly deserves a down grade in the hills, he's had no good results this year in the hills, and if he doesnt get down graded from 78 hill, then Gallopin should be upgraded to at least 78 considering he won a Paris Nice stage this year (on a hilly terrain if i recall correctly) and 6th at Amstel (Slagter finished 9th) and 20th at Liege-Bastone-Liege (Slagter finished 44th). I understand the argumement for not lowering Slagter's hill stat because of his track record, but if he's at 78, Gallopin's track record is close to Slagters while having a much better year than him, which means he definitly warrants at least an 78
also, I feel that Gallopin's mtn stat and back up stats should be raised from previous DBs based off his 30th place in the TDF GC and his very good preformance at the start of the tour in the mountains. example = stage 11, he finished top 20 on a relatively mountainous stage. with a low 70s stat, it would be very difficult to replicate that in PCM. Also, for the back up stats, Gallopin finished with 6 top tens on the tour and 8or9 top 20s which i think warrants a raise in his rec? |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:50
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Would be interested in hearing the reasoning behind Dennis' stats. Personally I'd give him higher that 78TT because of the Tour win, which was more of a cross between a TT and prologue and I can't see him winning a 14km TT against all of the top time-triallists with 78. The fact it was the fastest TT in Tour history probably backs that up.
Also I'd give him a hill boost based on his TDU win. Can't see him finishing 2nd on Willunga and winning the GC with 73 Hi. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:50
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maxime86 wrote:
LucAl wrote:
Tony Gallopin could be the real deal if he improves a little bit in some stats. He just can do everything.
you sir are my new favorite member
Also, Tom Slagter definitly deserves a down grade in the hills, he's had no good results this year in the hills, and if he doesnt get down graded from 78 hill, then Gallopin should be upgraded to at least 78 considering he won a Paris Nice stage this year (on a hilly terrain if i recall correctly) and 6th at Amstel (Slagter finished 9th) and 20th at Liege-Bastone-Liege (Slagter finished 44th). I understand the argumement for not lowering Slagter's hill stat because of his track record, but if he's at 78, Gallopin's track record is close to Slagters while having a much better year than him, which means he definitly warrants at least an 78
also, I feel that Gallopin's mtn stat and back up stats should be raised from previous DBs based off his 30th place in the TDF GC and his very good preformance at the start of the tour in the mountains. example = stage 11, he finished top 20 on a relatively mountainous stage. with a low 70s stat, it would be very difficult to replicate that in PCM. Also, for the back up stats, Gallopin finished with 6 top tens on the tour and 8or9 top 20s which i think warrants a raise in his rec?
I understand your point about tony gallopin and tom slagter but there's a lot of things that play a big role in those results like condition, form etc |
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 22:55
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fidjim2013 wrote:
I understand your point about tony gallopin and tom slagter but there's a lot of things that play a big role in those results like condition, form etc
I understand your point, but Gallopin has been better than Slagter this whole year, eventually that "other stuff matters" argument has to reach a limit, and I think Slagter has reached it
now dont get me wrong, I'm not sure Gallopin actually deserves a 78 hill rating, but if Slagter has a 78, then Gallopin should have at least the same
again, thats just my opinion |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-08-2015 23:00
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@Thomas discussion
Thomas has been an amazing domestique, sometimes being stronger than Froome. In the end he had problems with recovering, meaning he'd choose his days, which caused him to lose his GC Top 5, but definitely 79MO worthy. He has also done other good stuff in the mountains meaning 79MO is deserved in our opinion. He'd rather be 80 than 78 in my opinion.
Note his lower REC which will also limit him when going for a GT result.
@clamel
We have spotted this issue as well and it was fixed in V1.0. Very weird I admit.
@Degenstache
Tricky one, 78 is definitely too low. Think he can take the 80SP though, even though he did not have the best TdF he's fine on pure speed. He needs the 80SP to grab those 2nd places as well.
Degenkolb also has the edge on previous results which also helps him.
@Maxime
Well, Gallopin is currently on 77MO, not in low 70s. Don't worry.
I disagree about Slagter though. Still got 9th on Fleche but main point here is that he had an amazing 2014 season. Also keep in mind his STA is lower than almost every other Ardennes contender.
(He also won 2 Paris-Nice stages on hilly terrain in 14 if you're using that as argument )
Stats are not 100% based on the 2015 season.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-08-2015 23:01
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I don't get why Greipel only gets 82 spr and 74 rec after his Tour?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 06-08-2015 23:04
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Maxime
Well, Gallopin is currently on 77MO, not in low 70s. Don't worry.
I disagree about Slagter though. Still got 9th on Fleche but main point here is that he had an amazing 2014 season. Also keep in mind his STA is lower than almost every other Ardennes contender.
(He also won 2 Paris-Nice stages on hilly terrain in 14 if you're using that as argument )
Stats are not 100% based on the 2015 season.
alright that works! |
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