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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 31-07-2015 22:55
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His fighter stat has been high for some time now. |
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Posted on 01-08-2015 00:14
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I think 78 or 79 HIL for Vuillermoz.
For his victory in Mur de Bretagne and finishing third in Huy on the Tour de France. But also his sixth place on the Fleche Wallonne. He was good at Aia on the Tour of the Basque Country or in Castelraimondo on Tirreno.
I think also 77 MO for Vuillermoz.
I think 77 MO for Atapuma because he ended seventh in the Tour of Catalonia and sixteenth of the Giro. Atapuma 76 HIL
Pantano 76 MO - 76 HIL and 70 SPR.
Arredondo 76/77 MO - 76/77 HIL and 68 SPR.
Miguel Lopez 74/75 MO.
Anacona 74/75 MO.
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| PeterRyder |
Posted on 01-08-2015 00:30
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79 HIL for Vuillermoz seems perfect imo but 77 Mo... I'd give him 76. I think Atapuma should get downgraded to 76 he is not a better climber that Talansky, Frank, Barguil, etc.
I also think you're overrating Pantano's MO in only one stage, and I believe Arredondo is overrated in general so I won't comment that 
Anacona 75 and Lopez 74 seems pretty fair to me.
Also I'd like to say Mollema doesn't deserve 79 MO and should get downgraded to 78.
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| Naxela |
Posted on 01-08-2015 00:47
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Croatia14 wrote:
Playing career two riders stats surprised me. Adriano Malori seemed like he´s underrated in MO. He was quite remarkable as a domestique in the mountains and I think would deserve a stat around 70/71. The other rider was Cheng Ji. Are we receiving money from the chinese cycling federation for giving him a 73 flat stat? That means he is on the same level as Brändle and Barta...
Cheng Ji's flat stat is pretty much all based upon his performance in the last years Tour, he deserve his stat (At least did) i have not seen him that much this year, but again i'm sure most riders in the Tour could've done the same thing as Ji, but wont due to them having more important roles than pulling the peloton the same way.
I don't know enough about Malori to be honest but i don't really see him as the best domestique in hard races but he might deserve a small MO upgrade perhaps.
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 01-08-2015 02:13
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75-76 mo for Vuillermoz |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 01-08-2015 03:00
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Vuillermoz is more a puncher than a climber so 76 seems fair for his mountain stat with 78/79 hill |
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Posted on 01-08-2015 10:40
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79 HIL and 76 MO for Vuillermoz seems perfect. |
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 01-08-2015 18:49
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| DiCyc |
Posted on 01-08-2015 18:57
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Yates should get 85 in hill
Spoiler Nah, I will give him a small hill boost, but I am not sure. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 01-08-2015 20:09
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DiCyc wrote:
Yates should get 85 in hill
Spoiler Nah, I will give him a small hill boost, but I am not sure.
I think his hill stat is ok, remember Gallopin won this race a couple of years ago with a stat less or similar to Yates. |
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 01-08-2015 20:16
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76 mo for Vuillermoz is a joke... 74 is perfect for him
And wilco kelderman deserves -1 in mo imo 76 or 77 |
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 01-08-2015 20:21
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Tafiolmo wrote:
DiCyc wrote:
Yates should get 85 in hill
Spoiler Nah, I will give him a small hill boost, but I am not sure.
I think his hill stat is ok, remember Gallopin won this race a couple of years ago with a stat less or similar to Yates.
That was before that final climb was included, recent winners are better climbers. |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 01-08-2015 20:23
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DiCyc wrote:
Yates should get 85 in hill
Spoiler Nah, I will give him a small hill boost, but I am not sure.
Res boost, can't do that in a classic with Yates against that opposition in pcm because of the bloody yellow bar!!! Maybe ftr and possibly dh? Not much needs to come, it's not unexpected, just unlikely by that I mean nobody is running the streets of the world screaming Yates is a doped and won't throw urine or spit at him anytime soon, it wasn't out of the blue.
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 02-08-2015 02:40
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R_U_MINE wrote:
76 mo for Vuillermoz is a joke... 74 is perfect for him
And wilco kelderman deserves -1 in mo imo 76 or 77
You're the joke because vuillermoz is a good climber and deserve 76 MO and let's not forget that last year giro he finished 11 overall in a GT that is considered mountainous and he wasn't even the leader of the team in this year TDF he finished 26th even though he wasn't targeting the GC.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 02-08-2015 03:27
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jandal7 wrote:
DiCyc wrote:
Yates should get 85 in hill
Spoiler Nah, I will give him a small hill boost, but I am not sure.
Res boost, can't do that in a classic with Yates against that opposition in pcm because of the bloody yellow bar!!! Maybe ftr and possibly dh? Not much needs to come, it's not unexpected, just unlikely by that I mean nobody is running the streets of the world screaming Yates is a doped and won't throw urine or spit at him anytime soon, it wasn't out of the blue.
He didn't dominate the Tour 2 years like Froome did, so your comparison is ridiculous.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 02-08-2015 03:46
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Paul23 wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
DiCyc wrote:
Yates should get 85 in hill
Spoiler Nah, I will give him a small hill boost, but I am not sure.
Res boost, can't do that in a classic with Yates against that opposition in pcm because of the bloody yellow bar!!! Maybe ftr and possibly dh? Not much needs to come, it's not unexpected, just unlikely by that I mean nobody is running the streets of the world screaming Yates is a doped and won't throw urine or spit at him anytime soon, it wasn't out of the blue.
He didn't dominate the Tour 2 years like Froome did, so your comparison is ridiculous.
Ok sorry just using hyperbole to emphasize my point but that tells me nothing about if my proposed boosts are ok?
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 02-08-2015 06:25
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Vuillermoz 79 Hill ?
But then Michael Matthews had 80. Won many hill races before he was injured and the Amstel Gold Race, he was the only one who could keep up with Gilbert upward Cauberg.
Gilbert 81. Winner always many hill races and he is always the strongest upward Cauberg. |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 02-08-2015 08:55
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Please keep in mind that GVA was gonna win the race until he got hit by a motorbike. ;-) |
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 02-08-2015 09:10
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fidjim2013 wrote:
R_U_MINE wrote:
76 mo for Vuillermoz is a joke... 74 is perfect for him
And wilco kelderman deserves -1 in mo imo 76 or 77
You're the joke because vuillermoz is a good climber and deserve 76 MO and let's not forget that last year giro he finished 11 overall in a GT that is considered mountainous and he wasn't even the leader of the team in this year TDF he finished 26th even though he wasn't targeting the GC.
Ok don't be rude i just think that he deserves 74 because he isn't a top climber. |
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| HuDCC |
Posted on 02-08-2015 09:32
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R_U_MINE wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
R_U_MINE wrote:
76 mo for Vuillermoz is a joke... 74 is perfect for him
And wilco kelderman deserves -1 in mo imo 76 or 77
You're the joke because vuillermoz is a good climber and deserve 76 MO and let's not forget that last year giro he finished 11 overall in a GT that is considered mountainous and he wasn't even the leader of the team in this year TDF he finished 26th even though he wasn't targeting the GC.
Ok don't be rude i just think that he deserves 74 because he isn't a top climber.
of course, he isn't top climber, but top climbers have 78/79+ rating in my opinion 
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