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| Stromeon |
Posted on 25-07-2015 17:28
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Miguel98 wrote:
I just noticed... Is this the topic with the most views in the all of the history of PCM.Daily?
I would guess some of the long stories like dienblad's have more but it's a good shout.
Doesn't quite beat the Sky thread on the CN forum though: 1709 pages atm and 3.3 million views 
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 19:38
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Stromeon wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
I just noticed... Is this the topic with the most views in the all of the history of PCM.Daily?
I would guess some of the long stories like dienblad's have more but it's a good shout.
Doesn't quite beat the Sky thread on the CN forum though: 1709 pages atm and 3.3 million views
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| Movistar |
Posted on 25-07-2015 22:05
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Most logical thing ive read in years... Is this the same guy who I talked to on reddit? Good lord the Froome fans are delusional. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 25-07-2015 22:09
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Miguel98 wrote:
I just noticed... Is this the topic with the most views in the all of the history of PCM.Daily?
It's number 3.
First: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....d_id=19381
Second: pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thr...d_id=20546
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| AndyPreston |
Posted on 27-07-2015 18:25
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The whole tour and the attitude of French newspapers and fans has been disgusting. L'equipe didn't even bother to put Cummings win in heir paper, simply because two French were beaten. That's not news reporting, that's pathetic. The attitude of them as a whole is a disgrace.
As a very keen cyclist who cycles at a good level and predominantly trains with a power meter, Froomes numbers are perfectly okay and absolutely doable for a pro rider of his level.
The people in this thread who think he's a doper know absolutely nothing about the sport, training or cycling.
Did the French press say Quintana was on drugs when he beat Froome? Nope. How about when a French rider got a stage? Nope.
I think the world at large has a much lower opinion of the French nation as a whole now. I know hose I speak to do. Disgusting attitude |
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| heskeygoal |
Posted on 27-07-2015 20:53
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You are aware that most of the time in British press you can't even tell a cycling race is happening unless there is a Brit doing well?
And I'm not quite sure why you're guaging your opinion of the entire French people on the behaviour of their press and a handful of idiots. Maybe you're losing some perspective.
I don't know whether Froome is clean or doping, although I do like reading this thread since I don't particularly like Sky, but considering the history of cycling I find it bizarre that anyone would want to claim with 100% certainty that any of the top riders aren't doping. |
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| AndyPreston |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:02
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heskeygoal wrote:
You are aware that most of the time in British press you can't even tell a cycling race is happening unless there is a Brit doing well?
And I'm not quite sure why you're guaging your opinion of the entire French people on the behaviour of their press and a handful of idiots. Maybe you're losing some perspective.
I don't know whether Froome is clean or doping, although I do like reading this thread since I don't particularly like Sky, but considering the history of cycling I find it bizarre that anyone would want to claim with 100% certainty that any of the top riders aren't doping.
im not sure whether my perspectives are a country mile away from yours given the next line about enjoying the thread because you hate sky. Sky have done more for the sport in this country and more for positive clean cycling than any other. If you know your cycling you know that's a fact. They take a new clean and fresh approach to cycling so that being competitive doesn't have to rely on drugs.
Top cyclists such as Ivan Basso approached sky to talk to them about this because it was so alien to them. They got rid of anyone working in their staff who had been linked with doping.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:10
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AndyPreston wrote:
The people in this thread who think he's a doper know absolutely nothing about the sport, training or cycling.
I... nevermind, not worth it. 
Edited by Shonak on 27-07-2015 21:15
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:33
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AndyPreston wrote:
heskeygoal wrote:
You are aware that most of the time in British press you can't even tell a cycling race is happening unless there is a Brit doing well?
And I'm not quite sure why you're guaging your opinion of the entire French people on the behaviour of their press and a handful of idiots. Maybe you're losing some perspective.
I don't know whether Froome is clean or doping, although I do like reading this thread since I don't particularly like Sky, but considering the history of cycling I find it bizarre that anyone would want to claim with 100% certainty that any of the top riders aren't doping.
im not sure whether my perspectives are a country mile away from yours given the next line about enjoying the thread because you hate sky. Sky have done more for the sport in this country and more for positive clean cycling than any other. If you know your cycling you know that's a fact. They take a new clean and fresh approach to cycling so that being competitive doesn't have to rely on drugs.
Top cyclists such as Ivan Basso approached sky to talk to them about this because it was so alien to them. They got rid of anyone working in their staff who had been linked with doping.
What reasons do you have for hating sky exactly?
there is no way for certain in this sport anyone can ever say someone is 100% clean. Fact of the sport from no on wards we will not know for sure till 10-20 years from now.
Agree Sky have done a lot for sport in UK same as Armstrong did for USA. And I guess you could say they have portrayed themselves as clean and for sure not had any scandals directly linked to the team.
But there have been links to doping doctors that is not non-negotiable
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015...sky-doctor
Though Sky claimed to have no knowledge that this guy was a doctor at Rabobank when Rasmussen won the tour, everyone else knew though even people on this forum back in 2011 when he was at Sky. Though he may have cleaned up his act he is a direct link to doping who was in the team.
The bit about Ivan Basso I have no knowledge of but Basso was of course banned for drugs before, so if he is asking Sky for advice I wouldn't see that as a good thing.
Though I and I think 100% of people hope cycling is clean nowadays, we have been betrayed alot and peoples skepticism from that is not surprising so I wouldn't take it too hard.
Though saying the people in this thread have no knowledge of cycling is ridiculous as I doubt your Bradley Wiggins yourself? Were all just fans, non of us are pros and more then likely we all have the same amount of knowledge about training as a Pro so don't attacked someone else opinion because it is not your own |
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| heskeygoal |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:58
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I have in no way said I hate Sky, sport would be a daft reason to hate anyone.
I don't particularly like Sky because:
1. I don't find their approach to cycling particularly exciting to watch and I watch sport for enjoyment.
2. I don't like teams unbalancing the field by outspending everyone else in any sport. Any to add to this I don't like the fact when they start talking about marginal gains that it is rarely pointed out in the press in England that these are a lot easier to make when you outspend everyone. The same applies to the GB cycling team.
3. I don't like Sky in the first place as an organisation, although that might apply to plenty of other sponsors too.
I generally find sport a lot more enjoyable if I'm supporting someone and by extension hoping someone else doesn't do so well, I doubt I'm alone in this. |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:01
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As I've said at other points in this thread, I think much of the drive in the quest to find Froome guilty has come from other agendas. A lot of people have reasons to hate Sky, some of them are quite valid. But what we've seen is people desperate to see Sky busted, hence going looking for a cheating rider where there isnt necessarily one.
I think the bile from French journos and fans (a minority but definitely existing) is perhaps fallout of hope and desperation to see the home guys do well, followed by anger and frustration when they fall short. Every country behaves that way at times.
Its all quite silly. You don't get people clamouring in other sports to criticise successful performances without evidence of wrongdoing. Athletics with Bolt, Tennis with the main guys (Fuentes involvement?) And of course Football (Fuentes again). So cycling has basically generated negative publicity with no concrete reason. Nice PR job by all those responsible. Those tasked with promoting the sport at the UCI must be furious. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:09
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heskeygoal wrote:
I have in no way said I hate Sky, sport would be a daft reason to hate anyone.
This.
But, for the Sky fan boys the only reason why someone wouldn't like their team or buy their bullshit is because they hate them for being Brits or whatever silly reason they can think of.
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:32
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alexkr00 wrote:
heskeygoal wrote:
I have in no way said I hate Sky, sport would be a daft reason to hate anyone.
This.
But, for the Sky fan boys the only reason why someone wouldn't like their team or buy their bullshit is because they hate them for being Brits or whatever silly reason they can think of.
Who said anything about being a fanboy? I like to watch cycling with a more neutral mindset than other sports, thats one of the beauties of it. It is nice to see guys winning things for GB but its not everything. But what I dont like is people making baseless arguments which tarnish peoples reputations, especially when it leads to the mindless thugs doing dangerous things that threaten the race. At the moment its nothing more or less than mass hysteria. |
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| heskeygoal |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:50
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Dee-Jay wrote:Its all quite silly. You don't get people clamouring in other sports to criticise successful performances without evidence of wrongdoing. Athletics with Bolt, Tennis with the main guys (Fuentes involvement?) And of course Football (Fuentes again). So cycling has basically generated negative publicity with no concrete reason. Nice PR job by all those responsible. Those tasked with promoting the sport at the UCI must be furious.
The difference with tennis and football is that a big doping story has never been proven. Cycling's history combined with how impotent/complicit the UCI is made look through a lot of that history brings far more sceptism its way.
I am actually slightly surprised there aren't more question marks over Bolt considering how many of the his rivals have served suspensions, but there isn't as much to suggest in athletics that the authorities might have knowingly looked the other way.
As for whether the press due to their actions should be held accountable for fans on the roadside, I'd say that's a stretch, but what the press should or shouldn't write is a tricky one to call and I can't say I'm overly familiar with everything the French are reporting. |
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| Martial1 |
Posted on 01-08-2015 21:13
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This is for everyone who thinks that Froome should have been a world-beater from a young age.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-08-2015 21:17
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Martial1 wrote:
This is for everyone who thinks that Froome should have been a world-beater from a young age.
He looks silly as always and seems like a dude with 10 kilos extra. What an amateur, right?! |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 01-08-2015 21:30
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-12-2015 23:40
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Froome's data from 2007. From data alone he was going to be a very good pro rider, and one has to pay attention to the 17% body fat, which is quite chubby, I mean Betancur level 2014 chubby.
I mean doesn't prove he didn't use undetectable weight loss drugs, AICAR or something like that, but from the stats in 2007 he was going to make a very good rider ( at least on the numbers alone )
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 05-12-2015 09:26
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Alakagom wrote:
Froome's data from 2007. From data alone he was going to be a very good pro rider, and one has to pay attention to the 17% body fat, which is quite chubby, I mean Betancur level 2014 chubby.
I mean doesn't prove he didn't use undetectable weight loss drugs, AICAR or something like that, but from the stats in 2007 he was going to make a very good rider ( at least on the numbers alone )
It's interesting if nothing else and any info is good. Some more links for Froome https://www.gskhp...iology.pdf
https://chrisfroom...ire.co.uk/
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Posted on 05-12-2015 23:10
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Alakagom wrote:
Froome's data from 2007. From data alone he was going to be a very good pro rider, and one has to pay attention to the 17% body fat, which is quite chubby, I mean Betancur level 2014 chubby.
I mean doesn't prove he didn't use undetectable weight loss drugs, AICAR or something like that, but from the stats in 2007 he was going to make a very good rider ( at least on the numbers alone )
It's funny that Froome has said a couple of times his weight was about 71 kgs back then but this has him at much more than that, either Chris is lying or he just isn't that bright. I could either way on that one
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