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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Bikex |
Posted on 27-07-2015 12:45
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Ton1Mart1n wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
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And why that high REC on Froome? Also, as far as I know, RES dictates how long a rider can keep a certain effort, and how fast bars reload after attacks. We've seen on the last two stages that Quintana attacks multiple times and can keep his effort high over a long period of time. I don't think Froome should have that much higher than Nairo, if higher at all.
See stage 10.
Either Froome had a more mountain and low REC
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Must they had the same mountain and Froome more RES and Quintana more REC.
The reason why froome won stage 10 wa becuse hehad a good recovery progam in the restday, since Team sky has a muh better economy than other teams, so they can concentrate more on Things like that, while riders like contador had to sleep in roomswith 35 degreece, nothing about how good they are in flat
That's not what recovery does in the game though Recovery is how much energy they can keep during multiple stages and as Quintana showed in 2013 and 2015 he is the best in the final few stages of GT so he showed have more then Froome IMO
Your comment doesnt make any sense. Just because Quintana has been better at the end of GT's and Froomes is always better in the beginning of GT's doesnt mean Quintanas MO stats should be higher. This is a question of recovery and stamina.
In my book they both need to ave 84 IMO but Quintana a bit higher REC.
+2/3...
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 13:15
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Bikex wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
[quote] kissaha wrote:
And why that high REC on Froome? Also, as far as I know, RES dictates how long a rider can keep a certain effort, and how fast bars reload after attacks. We've seen on the last two stages that Quintana attacks multiple times and can keep his effort high over a long period of time. I don't think Froome should have that much higher than Nairo, if higher at all.
See stage 10.
Either Froome had a more mountain and low REC
OR
Must they had the same mountain and Froome more RES and Quintana more REC.
The reason why froome won stage 10 wa becuse hehad a good recovery progam in the restday, since Team sky has a muh better economy than other teams, so they can concentrate more on Things like that, while riders like contador had to sleep in roomswith 35 degreece, nothing about how good they are in flat
That's not what recovery does in the game though Recovery is how much energy they can keep during multiple stages and as Quintana showed in 2013 and 2015 he is the best in the final few stages of GT so he showed have more then Froome IMO
Your comment doesnt make any sense. Just because Quintana has been better at the end of GT's and Froomes is always better in the beginning of GT's doesnt mean Quintanas MO stats should be higher. This is a question of recovery and stamina.
In my book they both need to ave 84 IMO but Quintana a bit higher REC.
+2/3...
+2/3 is no difference at all and Froome will dominate. Since Quintana is 82, Froome should be max 77. He'd still be superior due to his TT but at least he won't totally dominate the mountains throughout the whole race. |
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| servus |
Posted on 27-07-2015 13:19
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dark_x2012 wrote:
Bikex wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
[quote] kissaha wrote:
And why that high REC on Froome? Also, as far as I know, RES dictates how long a rider can keep a certain effort, and how fast bars reload after attacks. We've seen on the last two stages that Quintana attacks multiple times and can keep his effort high over a long period of time. I don't think Froome should have that much higher than Nairo, if higher at all.
See stage 10.
Either Froome had a more mountain and low REC
OR
Must they had the same mountain and Froome more RES and Quintana more REC.
The reason why froome won stage 10 wa becuse hehad a good recovery progam in the restday, since Team sky has a muh better economy than other teams, so they can concentrate more on Things like that, while riders like contador had to sleep in roomswith 35 degreece, nothing about how good they are in flat
That's not what recovery does in the game though Recovery is how much energy they can keep during multiple stages and as Quintana showed in 2013 and 2015 he is the best in the final few stages of GT so he showed have more then Froome IMO
Your comment doesnt make any sense. Just because Quintana has been better at the end of GT's and Froomes is always better in the beginning of GT's doesnt mean Quintanas MO stats should be higher. This is a question of recovery and stamina.
In my book they both need to ave 84 IMO but Quintana a bit higher REC.
+2/3...
+2/3 is no difference at all and Froome will dominate. Since Quintana is 82, Froome should be max 77. He'd still be superior due to his TT but at least he won't totally dominate the mountains throughout the whole race.
Froome should have 83 in MO and Quintana maybe 84/83 but a higher Recovery |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 27-07-2015 13:22
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dark_x2012 wrote:
+2/3 is no difference at all and Froome will dominate. Since Quintana is 82, Froome should be max 77. He'd still be superior due to his TT but at least he won't totally dominate the mountains throughout the whole race.
You messed something up there I didn't write that. 
I agree with you though.  |
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| JeffWalk |
Posted on 27-07-2015 14:22
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Hey y'all!
First of all i have to give a big thank you to everyone involved with the PCMDaily DB. You all do an awesome job so that thousands of lazy people like me can play an updaded and completed game with just a few clicks. THANK YOU! 
I've seen the v0.8 update and i'm sorry if it's already been discussed, but why does Miguel Ángel López have such a low potential when compared with, for example, Formolo?
I understand the lower stats, that's perfectly normal given the differences between their pro results, but López has shown such a high potential with his resuls! I mean, winning GC and Mountain classification in Tour de l'Avenir and that Rettenbach climb in this year's Tour de Suisse... damn!
Am i the only one who thinks like that? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-07-2015 14:26
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Miguel Angel Lopez has 7 potential, which certainly isn't lower than Formolo.
7 potential means his limits will be high in most of the careers. We do not set his stat limits, the game generates them based on his (7) potential.
Considering 7 potential is very high, I don't think we underrated his potential.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 27-07-2015 14:33
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Pauwels, Herrada and Jungels need an update. Other then that, I'm not going to comment, although some idiots here are really baiting me.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| PeterRyder |
Posted on 27-07-2015 14:43
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I think Arredondo (75), Zubeldia (75/76), Atapuma (75), Purito (78) and Peraud (77) need a MO downgrade. My thought are next to the cyclists. And now I conclude that Barguil only deserves a +1 MO upgrade.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 14:48
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servus wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
+2/3 is no difference at all and Froome will dominate. Since Quintana is 82, Froome should be max 77. He'd still be superior due to his TT but at least he won't totally dominate the mountains throughout the whole race.
Froome should have 83 in MO and Quintana maybe 84/83 but a higher Recovery
I was talking about recovery. Both are on 83 mountain, no doubt. |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 15:02
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dark_x2012 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
WTF I almost think the same with Arberg. Just kidding, no offence man. Only Hesjedal and Frank a bit too high for my liking(maybe -1). Also lower Quintana's Acceleration about 75.
Edit: Forgot about Froome's TT
I don't agree With Quintanas acc, should be at least 80, if u have seen him in the alpes
Quintana can't accelerate. Thet's why he couldn't get rid of Froome the first stages. Valverde, Purito they deserve 80+. Quintana doesn't accelerate better than Nibali. The reason he was so good in the Alps was his better REC which affects all his attributes.
So you didnt watch alpe d'huez?
And the reason he didnt get rid of him in some of the stages was because of his team, konig,thomas,porte,and poels are all over 77, in Mountains and porte is after my opinion as good as nibali in mountains |
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 15:14
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tobgunn123 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
WTF I almost think the same with Arberg. Just kidding, no offence man. Only Hesjedal and Frank a bit too high for my liking(maybe -1). Also lower Quintana's Acceleration about 75.
Edit: Forgot about Froome's TT
I don't agree With Quintanas acc, should be at least 80, if u have seen him in the alpes
Quintana can't accelerate. Thet's why he couldn't get rid of Froome the first stages. Valverde, Purito they deserve 80+. Quintana doesn't accelerate better than Nibali. The reason he was so good in the Alps was his better REC which affects all his attributes.
So you didnt watch alpe d'huez?
And the reason he didnt get rid of him in some of the stages was because of his team, konig,thomas,porte,and poels are all over 77, in Mountains and porte is after my opinion as good as nibali in mountains
They could follow from the SADDLE. He never got more than 15 meters. Purito gains 15 meters in a copule of seconds. About Alpe d'Huez, Froome didn't follow cuz he had cracked. No way he's higher than Froome, what remains for 80 acc. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 15:16
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tobgunn123 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
WTF I almost think the same with Arberg. Just kidding, no offence man. Only Hesjedal and Frank a bit too high for my liking(maybe -1). Also lower Quintana's Acceleration about 75.
Edit: Forgot about Froome's TT
I don't agree With Quintanas acc, should be at least 80, if u have seen him in the alpes
Quintana's attacks aren't that much explosive so he doesn't deserve it anyway |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 27-07-2015 18:03
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Purito in mountain will be 80? 79? |
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 27-07-2015 18:08
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Mathias Frank is so underrated... I think he deserves 78-79 in mountain
He was unlucky in the Alpe d'Huez stage with a crash and a technical problem... |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 18:43
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R_U_MINE wrote:
Mathias Frank is so underrated... I think he deserves 78-79 in mountain
He was unlucky in the Alpe d'Huez stage with a crash and a technical problem...
I would give him 77 MO, since he was dropped on the mountains very fast
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-07-2015 18:56
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To be fair the only reason Frank is so high in the GC is because of gaining time in the break in the Pra Loup stage(he wasn't even close to winning that though).
Without it he'd be 13th, 14th?
His bad luck in the Huez stage does not warrant him getting 79MO anyway, considering he also had trouble following the favourites in all the other mountain stages.
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| Vali |
Posted on 27-07-2015 19:07
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Well he would have finished 12th without the gains in that stage and even 11th if Talansky would haven't been in that break as well.
But still 79 is certainly too much, 78 is the absolute maximum.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 27-07-2015 20:02
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In my opinion 77/78 is fine for Mathias Frank |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 20:29
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86 for mathias franks is ok |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-07-2015 20:32
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Yes, seems fair.
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