Smal wrote:
Don't think Froome deserves such a high TT/Prologue stat. Hasn't had such good results in that discipline for a while.
He didn't had to produce good results because he trained more this year in the mountain than the TT because the tour was mostly mountainous, shortest TT in history of tour
Him training less TT does not really help him keeping his TT stat. He have not been one of the best TT/Prologue riders for two years and therefor deserve a small downgrade. Of course he have to produce good results too keep his stat, does Betancur deserve a 80 Hil stat because he didn't train as much climbs the last two years?
Betancur isn't a hard worker that's why he doesn't deserve 80 hill but when you look at froome is working much harder and is about to be crowned the new tour de france winner
So because Froome won the Tour he deserve to keep his TT stat even though he haven't proven anything? Like you said yourself the amount of TT kilometres is a record low in the Tour so that argument makes literally no sense at all, he won the Tour no thanks to his TT abilities and deserve a downgrade in the same way betancur deserve a downgrade for not getting results in the dicipline for two years. Geez Froome is a hard worker and a double tour de france winner, why not give him 80 sprint as well.
Are you trying to joke right now ?
It's like saying that because contador was so poor in mountain he should be 78
No that's not what i'm saying, Contador have enough results in the mountains for the last two years which would justify a 81+ mnt stat, while Froome have no results within the last two years to justify a high TT stat.
Results shouldn't be based on last 2 years but because of the performance of a rider during this season
Okay,then.Downgrade Froome's TT(by 1-2 points) and PRL(to 73-74)
dark_x2012 wrote:
Contador rode an extremely tough Giro alone. Lost a lot of energy in the mountains and had nothing in the tank even for the 20th stage, what remains for the Tour. Nibali just didn't peak correctly which he should do if he wants to do better next year. I'm fine with Conta on 82 but 81 is way too low. Also wouldn't give Porte more than 80, even 79. This guy just slept from stage 11 to 19. It's normal he would be fresher than the rest. He only had one good day(+5) while the others had terrible ones then. Piti on 81 is okay. It's not Conta's fault that PCM thinks fatigue is nothing and that he would do good in the Tour with 82.
dark_x2012 wrote:
Contador rode an extremely tough Giro alone. Lost a lot of energy in the mountains and had nothing in the tank even for the 20th stage, what remains for the Tour. Nibali just didn't peak correctly which he should do if he wants to do better next year. I'm fine with Conta on 82 but 81 is way too low. Also wouldn't give Porte more than 80, even 79. This guy just slept from stage 11 to 19. It's normal he would be fresher than the rest. He only had one good day(+5) while the others had terrible ones then. Piti on 81 is okay. It's not Conta's fault that PCM thinks fatigue is nothing and that he would do good in the Tour with 82.
I agree
But porte did also race the giro and had to be alot infront to defend the attacks
Contador, froome, and Quintana should be the same, then nibali......, the maybe porte,landa,valverde (did both help Quintana and got a 3rd Place)
Smal wrote:
Don't think Froome deserves such a high TT/Prologue stat. Hasn't had such good results in that discipline for a while.
He didn't had to produce good results because he trained more this year in the mountain than the TT because the tour was mostly mountainous, shortest TT in history of tour
Him training less TT does not really help him keeping his TT stat. He have not been one of the best TT/Prologue riders for two years and therefor deserve a small downgrade. Of course he have to produce good results too keep his stat, does Betancur deserve a 80 Hil stat because he didn't train as much climbs the last two years?
Betancur isn't a hard worker that's why he doesn't deserve 80 hill but when you look at froome is working much harder and is about to be crowned the new tour de france winner
So because Froome won the Tour he deserve to keep his TT stat even though he haven't proven anything? Like you said yourself the amount of TT kilometres is a record low in the Tour so that argument makes literally no sense at all, he won the Tour no thanks to his TT abilities and deserve a downgrade in the same way betancur deserve a downgrade for not getting results in the dicipline for two years. Geez Froome is a hard worker and a double tour de france winner, why not give him 80 sprint as well.
Are you trying to joke right now ?
It's like saying that because contador was so poor in mountain he should be 78
No that's not what i'm saying, Contador have enough results in the mountains for the last two years which would justify a 81+ mnt stat, while Froome have no results within the last two years to justify a high TT stat.
Results shouldn't be based on last 2 years but because of the performance of a rider during this season
Okay,then.Downgrade Froome's TT(by 1-2 points) and PRL(to 73-74)
I have no problem with that if all the other gc contenders are downgrade as well and in this case contador wouldn't be more than 73TT 67PRL and Quintana 68TT 64PRL
dark_x2012 wrote:
Contador rode an extremely tough Giro alone. Lost a lot of energy in the mountains and had nothing in the tank even for the 20th stage, what remains for the Tour. Nibali just didn't peak correctly which he should do if he wants to do better next year. I'm fine with Conta on 82 but 81 is way too low. Also wouldn't give Porte more than 80, even 79. This guy just slept from stage 11 to 19. It's normal he would be fresher than the rest. He only had one good day(+5) while the others had terrible ones then. Piti on 81 is okay. It's not Conta's fault that PCM thinks fatigue is nothing and that he would do good in the Tour with 82.
I agree
But porte did also race the giro and had to be alot infront to defend the attacks
Contador, froome, and Quintana should be the same, then nibali......, the maybe porte,landa,valverde (did both help Quintana and got a 3rd Place)
Porte quit the Giro and rested a big part of the Tour. He didn't have to be in front in 80% of the time. He's 79 or 80 max. I'm currently thinking about
83:-Froome(acc 77, res 76, rec 76, tt 78, prl 76)
-Quintana(acc 74, res 76, rec 82,tt 72, prl 73)
82:-Contador(acc 76, res 75, rec 79/80, tt 76, prl 75)
81:-Nibali(acc 73, res 75, rec 82, tt 77, prl 77)
-Valverde(acc 82, res 74, rec 80, tt 73/74(havem't paid attention), prl 74)
Also Landa with high REC of around between 78 and 80.
Smal wrote:
Don't think Froome deserves such a high TT/Prologue stat. Hasn't had such good results in that discipline for a while.
He didn't had to produce good results because he trained more this year in the mountain than the TT because the tour was mostly mountainous, shortest TT in history of tour
Him training less TT does not really help him keeping his TT stat. He have not been one of the best TT/Prologue riders for two years and therefor deserve a small downgrade. Of course he have to produce good results too keep his stat, does Betancur deserve a 80 Hil stat because he didn't train as much climbs the last two years?
Betancur isn't a hard worker that's why he doesn't deserve 80 hill but when you look at froome is working much harder and is about to be crowned the new tour de france winner
So because Froome won the Tour he deserve to keep his TT stat even though he haven't proven anything? Like you said yourself the amount of TT kilometres is a record low in the Tour so that argument makes literally no sense at all, he won the Tour no thanks to his TT abilities and deserve a downgrade in the same way betancur deserve a downgrade for not getting results in the dicipline for two years. Geez Froome is a hard worker and a double tour de france winner, why not give him 80 sprint as well.
Are you trying to joke right now ?
It's like saying that because contador was so poor in mountain he should be 78
No that's not what i'm saying, Contador have enough results in the mountains for the last two years which would justify a 81+ mnt stat, while Froome have no results within the last two years to justify a high TT stat.
Results shouldn't be based on last 2 years but because of the performance of a rider during this season
Okay,then.Downgrade Froome's TT(by 1-2 points) and PRL(to 73-74)
I have no problem with that if all the other gc contenders are downgrade as well and in this case contador wouldn't be more than 73TT 67PRL and Quintana 68TT 64PRL
Look at the TT at Utrecht.Froome should be 73-74 in PRL imo.Quintana should be 70-71 on PRL.Contador should be 71-72 on PRL
And about TT Froome should still have 77 imo.Contador also should be 76-77 because he is very good at long time trials.And Quintana should have 71-72 on TT.
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Look at the TT at Utrecht.Froome should be 73-74 in PRL imo.Quintana should be 70-71 on PRL.Contador should be 71-72 on PRL
And about TT Froome should still have 77 imo.Contador also should be 76-77 because he is very good at long time trials.And Quintana should have 71-72 on TT.
The time trial at Utrecht where contador was dying after the Giro. Also the late starters were in worse condition than the early ones. No way man, no way
dark_x2012 wrote:
Contador rode an extremely tough Giro alone. Lost a lot of energy in the mountains and had nothing in the tank even for the 20th stage, what remains for the Tour. Nibali just didn't peak correctly which he should do if he wants to do better next year. I'm fine with Conta on 82 but 81 is way too low. Also wouldn't give Porte more than 80, even 79. This guy just slept from stage 11 to 19. It's normal he would be fresher than the rest. He only had one good day(+5) while the others had terrible ones then. Piti on 81 is okay. It's not Conta's fault that PCM thinks fatigue is nothing and that he would do good in the Tour with 82.
I agree
But porte did also race the giro and had to be alot infront to defend the attacks
Contador, froome, and Quintana should be the same, then nibali......, the maybe porte,landa,valverde (did both help Quintana and got a 3rd Place)
Porte quit the Giro and rested a big part of the Tour. He didn't have to be in front in 80% of the time. He's 79 or 80 max. I'm currently thinking about
83:-Froome(acc 77, res 76, rec 76, tt 78, prl 76)
-Quintana(acc 74, res 76, rec 82,tt 72, prl 73)
82:-Contador(acc 76, res 75, rec 79/80, tt 76, prl 75)
81:-Nibali(acc 73, res 75, rec 82, tt 77, prl 77)
-Valverde(acc 82, res 74, rec 80, tt 73/74(havem't paid attention), prl 74)
Also Landa with high REC of around between 78 and 80.
No way nibali 77TT an 77PRL at best he's 76TT 75PRL and for is rec he's not better than Quintana I would give him 81, for froome I would put the rec to 77/78
dark_x2012 wrote:
Contador rode an extremely tough Giro alone. Lost a lot of energy in the mountains and had nothing in the tank even for the 20th stage, what remains for the Tour. Nibali just didn't peak correctly which he should do if he wants to do better next year. I'm fine with Conta on 82 but 81 is way too low. Also wouldn't give Porte more than 80, even 79. This guy just slept from stage 11 to 19. It's normal he would be fresher than the rest. He only had one good day(+5) while the others had terrible ones then. Piti on 81 is okay. It's not Conta's fault that PCM thinks fatigue is nothing and that he would do good in the Tour with 82.
I agree
But porte did also race the giro and had to be alot infront to defend the attacks
Contador, froome, and Quintana should be the same, then nibali......, the maybe porte,landa,valverde (did both help Quintana and got a 3rd Place)
Porte quit the Giro and rested a big part of the Tour. He didn't have to be in front in 80% of the time. He's 79 or 80 max. I'm currently thinking about
83:-Froome(acc 77, res 76, rec 76, tt 78, prl 76)
-Quintana(acc 74, res 76, rec 82,tt 72, prl 73)
82:-Contador(acc 76, res 75, rec 79/80, tt 76, prl 75)
81:-Nibali(acc 73, res 75, rec 82, tt 77, prl 77)
-Valverde(acc 82, res 74, rec 80, tt 73/74(havem't paid attention), prl 74)
Also Landa with high REC of around between 78 and 80.
COntador isnt 76 in Acceleration, should be 79+,if you have seen his attacks
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Look at the TT at Utrecht.Froome should be 73-74 in PRL imo.Quintana should be 70-71 on PRL.Contador should be 71-72 on PRL
And about TT Froome should still have 77 imo.Contador also should be 76-77 because he is very good at long time trials.And Quintana should have 71-72 on TT.
The time trial at Utrecht where contador was dying after the Giro. Also the late starters were in worse condition than the early ones. No way man, no way
I like Contador but you have to admit that that he is not good on prologues after his ban.He would be still 1-2 points below Froome on prologues.
tobgunn123 wrote:
Boasso Hagen shoul be 78+ With a 4thplace in paris champs ellyisay
Navardauskus was 3rd last year, should we give him 79 then?
Haha, no, but if you have seen his results you maybe have seen that he deserves it , and in stage.... dont remember nr, but edvald boasson was on weel on kristoff and accelerated and past him but got blocked of kristoff, if he hadnt got blocked he would maybe win the stage
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Look at the TT at Utrecht.Froome should be 73-74 in PRL imo.Quintana should be 70-71 on PRL.Contador should be 71-72 on PRL
And about TT Froome should still have 77 imo.Contador also should be 76-77 because he is very good at long time trials.And Quintana should have 71-72 on TT.
The time trial at Utrecht where contador was dying after the Giro. Also the late starters were in worse condition than the early ones. No way man, no way
I like Contador but you have to admit that that he is not good on prologues after his ban.He would be still 1-2 points below Froome on prologues.
dark_x2012 wrote:
Porte quit the Giro and rested a big part of the Tour. He didn't have to be in front in 80% of the time. He's 79 or 80 max. I'm currently thinking about
83:-Froome(acc 77, res 76, rec 76, tt 78, prl 76)
-Quintana(acc 74, res 76, rec 82,tt 72, prl 73)
82:-Contador(acc 76, res 75, rec 79/80, tt 76, prl 75)
81:-Nibali(acc 73, res 75, rec 82, tt 77, prl 77)
-Valverde(acc 82, res 74, rec 80, tt 73/74(havem't paid attention), prl 74)
Also Landa with high REC of around between 78 and 80.
No way nibali 77TT an 77PRL at best he's 76TT 75PRL and for is rec he's not better than Quintana I would give him 81, for froome I would put the rec to 77/78
Puting Nibali's Recovery lower basicly means he should get his mountain up. Also he was the best in Utrecht even though he started last and that meant harder conditions especially in that stage. So he deserves higher prologue than the rest. For TT maybe 76.
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Look at the TT at Utrecht.Froome should be 73-74 in PRL imo.Quintana should be 70-71 on PRL.Contador should be 71-72 on PRL
And about TT Froome should still have 77 imo.Contador also should be 76-77 because he is very good at long time trials.And Quintana should have 71-72 on TT.
The time trial at Utrecht where contador was dying after the Giro. Also the late starters were in worse condition than the early ones. No way man, no way
I like Contador but you have to admit that that he is not good on prologues after his ban.He would be still 1-2 points below Froome on prologues.
Ruta del Sol 2015
Criterium du Dauphine 2014
Dauphine one was hilly.Also Ruta del Sol one was not completely flat
dark_x2012 wrote:
Porte quit the Giro and rested a big part of the Tour. He didn't have to be in front in 80% of the time. He's 79 or 80 max. I'm currently thinking about
83:-Froome(acc 77, res 76, rec 76, tt 78, prl 76)
-Quintana(acc 74, res 76, rec 82,tt 72, prl 73)
82:-Contador(acc 76, res 75, rec 79/80, tt 76, prl 75)
81:-Nibali(acc 73, res 75, rec 82, tt 77, prl 77)
-Valverde(acc 82, res 74, rec 80, tt 73/74(havem't paid attention), prl 74)
Also Landa with high REC of around between 78 and 80.
No way nibali 77TT an 77PRL at best he's 76TT 75PRL and for is rec he's not better than Quintana I would give him 81, for froome I would put the rec to 77/78
Puting Nibali's Recovery lower basicly means he should get his mountain up. Also he was the best in Utrecht even though he started last and that meant harder conditions especially in that stage. So he deserves higher prologue than the rest. For TT maybe 76.
So in accordance to what you said we should give pinot 77 PRL because he performed better than all top GC contenders in Utrecht ? no way because as for nibali that was just a single good result
