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| Movistar |
Posted on 18-07-2015 04:14
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Strydz wrote:
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Ok then, if all are doping, then why the Sky dope thread? Isn't it time for an Astana dope thread, a Movistar dope thread, a BMC dope thread, a Tinkoff-Saxo dope thread...?
I don't really care what people's personal opinions are, that doesn't matter. I personally think that 90%, if not more, of the Tour peloton takes doping, just in lesser volumes as in the 1990s-2000s. Someone else may think doping is close to being extinct, that's one's good right.
What I can't stand are the constant attacks and accusations on certain riders/teams (it are always the same, this whole forum is obsessed with Team Sky, probably Astana as well during the Giro). We can't know for sure if Sky dopes their riders (if we could, they would be thrown out of the race). I think it's rather childish, it's almost entirely because people don't like Sky (which I can understand, I don't like them either, I'd rather have Nibali or Quintana win).
There actually is a Astana doping thread that was started during the Giro but it obviously wasn't as popular as this one. People love a villain and at the moment that's Sky, it doesn't help when the star rider came out of nowhere to become one on the strongest GT riders in the peloton with a miracle story that doesn't stack up, much like the miracle story from a certain American, these thing contribute to the dislike by many of Sky. They are an uninspiring team to watch on the road as fans like excitement (I actually don't mind the Sky train as I enjoy the tactical side of the sport) They also don't do themselves any favours with things like a zero tolerance policy yet have Knaven on staff, the fact that they are supposedly so in depth with knowing every little detail yet hired Lienders and so on.
I don't care if Froome wins or say Contador or Nibali because if they are doping then they are all the same, they might not be as charged up as the riders from the 90's-2000's but it doesn't make them any better than the riders from that era.
Also personal opinions do matter so if you want to avoid that type of posting then an Internet forum might not be the best place for you  The thing to remember about PCMDaily is the age of the posters varies from quite young to old which also can lead to quite reactionary posting with things happen such as Sky dominance.
The thing about SKY that just gets me is mostly Brailsford. That jackass went into cycling thinking he was smarter than anyone who had ever ran a cycling team before. How he actually got the position in the first place may be the saddest part.
After about a year he realized he was an idiot and started to hire folks who knew how to dope. The problem is he continued to tell everyone how much smarter he is than them when it was obvious he is a fucking idiot.
The fact he is a knight is just laughable given the fact he know less about cycling than most of people who post on here.
The guy is a piece of shit and if anyone should be banned from cycling it is him. The idiot was a salesman, and now thinks he knows more about cycling than anyone in history. He is a joke and disgrace. |
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 18-07-2015 04:30
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Movistar wrote:
The thing about Sky that gets me is mostly Brailsford
That's Sir Brailsford to you!
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| Movistar |
Posted on 18-07-2015 06:02
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Eden95 wrote:
Movistar wrote:
The thing about Sky that gets me is mostly Brailsford
That's Sir Brailsford to you!
Yes my apologies to the queen. I wish I could get knighted for being a jackass. |
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 18-07-2015 07:38
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Movistar wrote:
Eden95 wrote:
Movistar wrote:
The thing about Sky that gets me is mostly Brailsford
That's Sir Brailsford to you!
Yes my apologies to the queen. I wish I could get knighted for being a jackass.
For what has Sir Brailsford be knighted?
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Posted on 18-07-2015 13:00
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"He was knighted for services to cycling and the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games in the 2013 New Year Honours."
https://www.gov.u...pdf#page=2
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-07-2015 13:46
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I think Movistar was correct, he was knighted for being Jackass
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| xxeerroo |
Posted on 18-07-2015 16:31
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Not a SKY fan boy, but don't hate them either, so it gets me that everyone hates them so much considering out of the to 10 in the 2015 there is previous dopers (Contador, Valverde) and the dirtiest team going around (Astana), and no one bats an eyelid. And realisticly other than one climb there has been little difference between Froome and Nairo Q. Additionaly this year just proves that Nibbles is really only the best of the rest, and he won by default last year. Just sayin. |
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| udoi |
Posted on 18-07-2015 16:36
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the SKY is the strongest else is just chatter |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-07-2015 16:57
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udoi wrote:
the SKY is the strongest else is just chatter
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Posted on 18-07-2015 17:10
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Not at home currently and had to watch the stage on live stream with english commentary.  I eded up listening how Sky is the greatest team in the world and their super effectivenes in comparison brings to the others them so many haters, which is so wrong. I can't even recall why they talked about this but still.
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 18-07-2015 17:54
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Kennaugh did give Michael Rasmussen some hard feelings today telling him his a shame to the cycling sport . In front of Norweigian broadcast. Rasmussen made a Tweet about the impressive Thomas which could have been misunderstood..
If SKY was clean they would not have reacted like that. One more to the thread.
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| hanspetter61 |
Posted on 18-07-2015 17:59
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Im not a sky fan, not even Close. But i have never hated any person that dosent harm me or People i know.
Talking about hate give birth to more hate. One day some who listen to the hate talk stop talking and think its right to do something in real.
That that was today when somebody (a hater) throw urin at Froome. What happend NeXT? You haters should think about what you partisipate in and what you legitimizes. You cant just keep talking about hate and Wonder when someone act.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-07-2015 18:17
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hanspetter61 wrote:
Im not a sky fan, not even Close. But i have never hated any person that dosent harm me or People i know.
Talking about hate give birth to more hate. One day some who listen to the hate talk stop talking and think its right to do something in real.
That that was today when somebody (a hater) throw urin at Froome. What happend NeXT? You haters should think about what you partisipate in and what you legitimizes. You cant just keep talking about hate and Wonder when someone act.
Totally agree! I am not a fan Sky (not really a fan of any team) but I certainly don't hate them, i'm all for people raising questions about Sky's performance and methods but why hate them or any team or cyclist for that matter. I can't even imagine what would be going through somebody's head to think that it is justified to throw urine on another person, its just bizarre and sad
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Posted on 18-07-2015 18:20
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+1 with hanspetter61.
People are here to support and not to hate. If there are cheaters; the conclusions should be given by the experts not by the public himself.
I was on the road, in the stage today, at 40 km after the start from Rodez and Chris Froome said that it happened from a guy wearing a mug about 50-60km after the start.
Even if I am not a Sky fanboy I would have punched that guy for being so stupid. |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 18-07-2015 20:44
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I consider myself a fan of the sport. I do have some riders who i prefer more than others, from all teams and all countries for different reasons. But i dont understand hatred of riders or teams. I find solace in thef becoming the same. fact that i can watch a bike race, shout for my favourites and if they dont win I can feel respect towards the guy that did. Thats not the sort of thing that happens with football which is more of a tribal hatefest. Cycling is at risk of becoming the same and thats a shame. |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 18-07-2015 20:50
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According to spectators it was Heineken and not urine |
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Posted on 18-07-2015 20:53
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Same difference. |
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| Naxela |
Posted on 18-07-2015 20:57
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Ton1Mart1n wrote:
Kennaugh did give Michael Rasmussen some hard feelings today telling him his a shame to the cycling sport . In front of Norweigian broadcast. Rasmussen made a Tweet about the impressive Thomas which could have been misunderstood..
If SKY was clean they would not have reacted like that. One more to the thread.
I don't think it was misunderstood, it was just cryptic. I think the message was something like this "Track rider Thomas destroy the climber Quintana". I think i would react the same way as Peter did to be honest and why on earth would a doped rider even dare open his mouth and question a clean (?) rider anyway.
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Posted on 18-07-2015 21:08
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Naxela wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
Kennaugh did give Michael Rasmussen some hard feelings today telling him his a shame to the cycling sport . In front of Norweigian broadcast. Rasmussen made a Tweet about the impressive Thomas which could have been misunderstood..
If SKY was clean they would not have reacted like that. One more to the thread.
I don't think it was misunderstood, it was just cryptic. I think the message was something like this "Track rider Thomas destroy the climber Quintana". I think i would react the same way as Peter did to be honest and why on earth would a doped rider even dare open his mouth and question a clean (?) rider anyway.
"Track rider @GeraintThomas86 bringing back colombian climber @NairoQuinCo !" |
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Posted on 18-07-2015 21:10
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Naxela wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
Kennaugh did give Michael Rasmussen some hard feelings today telling him his a shame to the cycling sport . In front of Norweigian broadcast. Rasmussen made a Tweet about the impressive Thomas which could have been misunderstood..
If SKY was clean they would not have reacted like that. One more to the thread.
I don't think it was misunderstood, it was just cryptic. I think the message was something like this "Track rider Thomas destroy the climber Quintana". I think i would react the same way as Peter did to be honest and why on earth would a doped rider even dare open his mouth and question a clean (?) rider anyway.
Are you not in support of any attempt, however cryptic or feeble they may be, to break the omerta? What cycling needs is the former riders who have been through the whole dope process and know the full extent of the transformation doping provides, to say it like they see it, that cycling is no better than back in Rasmussen's day, rather than buying into the Vaughters fairytale of a clean peloton. The fact that the omerta is still so prevalent is one of the biggest obstacles to anti-doping.
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