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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 14-07-2015 16:34
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Ok, at least now you know that I thought about that 
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| bob7 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 16:36
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Btw, how to judge stats right now ? Just set aside Sky (cause they are in another league) ? |
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Posted on 22-11-2024 12:02
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| kissaha |
Posted on 14-07-2015 16:37
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MARSUPILAMI wrote:
kissaha wrote:
I'm seriously considering deleting Sky and their bots from the database, I've had enough of this shit.
Have you seen your avatar?
Yes. Yes, I have. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 14-07-2015 16:57
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What do you mean, how to judge them?
What am I supposed to answer? 
Way too early to do any big adjustments at this point. Sure, someone like Gallopin and Thomas can get small upgrades but lots of climbs to go to define the stats.
Contador is not suddenly at 81 now, for instance.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 16:59
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Contador also raced the Giro, which is a huge factor. This is basically 2011 all over again for him.
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| bob7 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 17:14
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We have to remeber 2 things. Like Baseballover312 wrote, Contador raced Giro and Skybots are from another planet. And right, it's too early to set a new stats.
After this Tour we have to be careful with stats, may be difficult to come to terms. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-07-2015 17:16
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lets revive Gesink to his old PCM 2010 mountain level of 81 climbing |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 17:49
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Well Landa was better than Conador in the mountains in the Giro and the Tour are many better than Contador. Contador deserves no more than 80 in years. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 17:54
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Arberg27 wrote:
Well Landa was better than Conador in the mountains in the Giro and the Tour are many better than Contador.
No denying in that. When he was allowed to go, he was 82 to Contador's 81 or 83 to his 82, that was obvious in the last week. And its again obvious that Contador isnt the Contador 07-11 and 14. |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:01
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When Froome in La Vuelta '14 wasn't able to follow Contador, no one said to decrease Froome stat. When Contador can't follow Froome, everyone decrease Contador. Fuck logic. |
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| ziga007 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:04
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bob7 wrote:
When Froome in La Vuelta '14 wasn't able to follow Contador, no one said to decrease Froome stat. When Contador can't follow Froome, everyone decrease Contador. Fuck logic.
+1
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:33
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Froome won today. Porte did well. Quintana disappointed most. Gesink was awesome.
But like Jes said, its far too early to change stats. One good stage isn't enough. For example: Porte had lost much time in the last week. He took it easy, because his GC standing doesn't matter anyway, as long as Froome is there. So he was pretty rested before today. One week of easy racing compared to Cntador, Nibali, Quintana, who tried their best to not let Froome take time on them is a big factor.
Arberg27 wrote:
Well Landa was better than Conador in the mountains in the Giro and the Tour are many better than Contador. Contador deserves no more than 80 in years.
Now to you. Landa was great at this years Giro, but Contador had no good team around him, also Contador worked much more than Landa. You can't simply put Landa > Contador.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:38
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Sure as heck you can put Landa > Contador in the Giro. Regardless of the team or whatever argument, Landa was just clearly the best climber in the race once he was unleashed. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:50
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Riis123 wrote:
Sure as heck you can put Landa > Contador in the Giro. Regardless of the team or whatever argument, Landa was just clearly the best climber in the race once he was unleashed. True! |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:51
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Riis123 wrote:
Sure as heck you can put Landa > Contador in the Giro. Regardless of the team or whatever argument, Landa was just clearly the best climber in the race once he was unleashed.
Because he could rest until then. And because he had a team around him. And because Contador planned the double. He didn't peak at the Giro solely, because he needed to peak at the Tour as well.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 18:59
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Paul23 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Sure as heck you can put Landa > Contador in the Giro. Regardless of the team or whatever argument, Landa was just clearly the best climber in the race once he was unleashed.
Because he could rest until then. And because he had a team around him. And because Contador planned the double. He didn't peak at the Giro solely, because he needed to peak at the Tour as well.
Landa could rest? Lulz. He had to pedal as much as Conta. And no, Landa didnt have any team around him, Aru had. If Landa was let go earlier and more often, he would have won, but sadly they devoted everything for Aru, even Landa at several occasions.
Its true he didnt peak for the Giro, tho. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 19:34
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bob7 wrote:
When Froome in La Vuelta '14 wasn't able to follow Contador, no one said to decrease Froome stat. When Contador can't follow Froome, everyone decrease Contador. Fuck logic.
In 2014 contador didn't decimated the field in Vuelta but Froome is already decimating contador already leading by over 4min that's a real demonstration of power right there and unless there's s crash or mechanical problem froome is the winner. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 19:39
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Riis123 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Sure as heck you can put Landa > Contador in the Giro. Regardless of the team or whatever argument, Landa was just clearly the best climber in the race once he was unleashed.
Because he could rest until then. And because he had a team around him. And because Contador planned the double. He didn't peak at the Giro solely, because he needed to peak at the Tour as well.
Landa could rest? Lulz. He had to pedal as much as Conta. And no, Landa didnt have any team around him, Aru had. If Landa was let go earlier and more often, he would have won, but sadly they devoted everything for Aru, even Landa at several occasions.
Its true he didnt peak for the Giro, tho.
I agree Landa would have won if he was leader because he was much more stronger than contador and he managed to finish 3rd while working a lot for Aru, such a shame that Aru was the leader of this year giro for Astana we would have a proper look at Landa strength of he was leading the team. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 19:41
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Riis123 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Sure as heck you can put Landa > Contador in the Giro. Regardless of the team or whatever argument, Landa was just clearly the best climber in the race once he was unleashed.
Because he could rest until then. And because he had a team around him. And because Contador planned the double. He didn't peak at the Giro solely, because he needed to peak at the Tour as well.
Landa could rest? Lulz. He had to pedal as much as Conta. And no, Landa didnt have any team around him, Aru had. If Landa was let go earlier and more often, he would have won, but sadly they devoted everything for Aru, even Landa at several occasions.
Its true he didnt peak for the Giro, tho.
He would've won? lol. What about the ITT where he lost enough time, to not be taken serious by Contador?
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| bob7 |
Posted on 14-07-2015 19:42
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fidjim2013 wrote:
bob7 wrote:
When Froome in La Vuelta '14 wasn't able to follow Contador, no one said to decrease Froome stat. When Contador can't follow Froome, everyone decrease Contador. Fuck logic.
In 2014 contador didn't decimated the field in Vuelta but Froome is already decimating contador already leading by over 4min that's a real demonstration of power right there and unless there's s crash or mechanical problem froome is the winner.
"contador" & "Froome" I don't have to respond you, but I do. Decimate ? Who won Vuelta '14 ? Contador. Who was better in mountains ? Contador. Who did beat "the invincible" Froome ? Contador. |
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