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Vuelta a España 2009
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Posted on 13-09-2009 17:20
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My last hope is Sanchez: increasing form + (Navacerrada+downhill-is it technical???) + TT. Sanchez gained 20 secs to Valverde at the first TT, this one is a bit longer and at the 20º stage.
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-09-2009 17:26
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Another great ride by Damiano....it was his too lose..
I was impressed by Sammy's spirit..
Also nice ride by Valverde..
although i dislike him.. he did well to get back..
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Posted on 13-09-2009 17:35
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Wilier wrote:
btw @ stijnvranken
De weerdt is 20th in GC, not 10th
somehow they showed a gc with de weerdt in 10 th place
i thought it was unrealistic .
thank god he won't finish in the top 10.
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 13-09-2009 17:36
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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Posted on 13-09-2009 17:50
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Gesink said he was too early with his attack. "I saw Evans cracking and thought this was a good moment. But then the climb started getting less steep and you have to adapt your rythm. So I was a bit too early. It's a shame I lost some seconds to Valverde, but at least I won time on Evans and Basso"
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| marble |
Posted on 13-09-2009 18:18
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Pretty sure they showed him in 10th place because it was right after the top few people finished, before all the other "top" GC guys had finished.
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-09-2009 18:22
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Duh, the computer hasn't updated with all the guys who finished at that moment. Thus you can never believe the GC ranking straight after the finish
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-09-2009 18:33
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dont know about Mosquera..I believe that he is riding he's own race..
But Cobo was there today for help Valverde..he was butting all out at the front of Piti..and then he was completly out..as perfect teammate. We know that Fuji team will change..maybe he want to be Caisse rider... 
Sami was impressive and Cunego..favorites was on the limit but he still almost like freezed he's lead..
Valverde hard moment and then comeback..I was expecting that he has not done yet..
Bravo to Liquigas , Basso, Gesink ..at least they trying. Smartest man today was Mosquera again..i am so close to be he's fan 
Edited by Guido Mukk on 13-09-2009 18:38
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| Arnout |
Posted on 13-09-2009 18:40
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mrlol wrote:
Damn these Spaniards and their attitude of 'If I don't win, another Spaniard will, but no way that dutchie wins'. (Same goes for italians).
Mosquera, Sanchez and Valverde all stick to Gesinks wheel, when Valv is dropped, first Mosquera keeps sitting on Gesinks wheel(had he been from any other country he'd have started to help gesink for his own gc too) while Sanchez stays with Valverde. Then as the gap gaets too big, Sanchez obviously has to go back tot he groupe for his own GC, so then Cobo takes over. By then the steep section is over and Valverde is on his best terrain again... great.
Not deserved 4 seconds he took on Gesink in the end. bah!
On Cobo I agree, the rest is not true I think. Sanchez has difficulties with the steep sections and rides on his own pace for this whole Vuelta. Besides, it would be a bit stupid if you're only 1.30 behind the leader and after he cracks gonna help that same leader.
And Mosquera has to gain time on anyone, why should he ride for Gesink, Basso and Evans when he want to get on the podium? He has to attack to pass them, riding in front of them would be stupid for his own position. And we can't blame Mosquera for fighting for his own position. He is the best climber around after all.
Don't see conspiracies in every move Spaniards make...
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| davey90 |
Posted on 13-09-2009 18:46
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Mosquera is a great rider, he reminds me of EscartÃn, is a shame that he's gonna turn 34 in a few months. 
Good ride by Samuel, he's a little better than Valverde in TTs and he can attack in Navacerrada. Gesink will be great in future GTs.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 13-09-2009 18:53
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Arnout wrote:
mrlol wrote:
Damn these Spaniards and their attitude of 'If I don't win, another Spaniard will, but no way that dutchie wins'. (Same goes for italians).
Mosquera, Sanchez and Valverde all stick to Gesinks wheel, when Valv is dropped, first Mosquera keeps sitting on Gesinks wheel(had he been from any other country he'd have started to help gesink for his own gc too) while Sanchez stays with Valverde. Then as the gap gaets too big, Sanchez obviously has to go back tot he groupe for his own GC, so then Cobo takes over. By then the steep section is over and Valverde is on his best terrain again... great.
Not deserved 4 seconds he took on Gesink in the end. bah!
Sanchez has difficulties with the steep sections and rides on his own pace for this whole Vuelta. Besides, it would be a bit stupid if you're only 1.30 behind the leader and after he cracks gonna help that same leader.
He was looking back a little too much for my liking...
Don't see conspiracies in every move Spaniards make...
I don't. It was just a little too obvious today.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2009 19:00
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Valverde clearly gestured at the fans to stop pushing him. Not to mention it clearly didn't make much difference at all.
Kroon was pushed quite a bit at the Amstel. Didn't see any of you complaining
Oh the double standard
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 13-09-2009 19:01
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mrlol wrote:
Arnout wrote:
mrlol wrote:
Damn these Spaniards and their attitude of 'If I don't win, another Spaniard will, but no way that dutchie wins'. (Same goes for italians).
Mosquera, Sanchez and Valverde all stick to Gesinks wheel, when Valv is dropped, first Mosquera keeps sitting on Gesinks wheel(had he been from any other country he'd have started to help gesink for his own gc too) while Sanchez stays with Valverde. Then as the gap gaets too big, Sanchez obviously has to go back tot he groupe for his own GC, so then Cobo takes over. By then the steep section is over and Valverde is on his best terrain again... great.
Not deserved 4 seconds he took on Gesink in the end. bah!
Sanchez has difficulties with the steep sections and rides on his own pace for this whole Vuelta. Besides, it would be a bit stupid if you're only 1.30 behind the leader and after he cracks gonna help that same leader.
He was looking back a little too much for my liking...
Don't see conspiracies in every move Spaniards make...
I don't. It was just a little too obvious today.
Don't forget Contador in the Dauphiné too "I'll help Valverde win, just so a spaniard does"
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 13-09-2009 19:19
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Great ride from Valverde, very proud, If a British rider was struggling and weren't on my team I would help him aswell. After all he is from your country.
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Posted on 13-09-2009 19:28
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Ste117 wrote:
Great ride from Valverde, very proud, If a British rider was struggling and weren't on my team I would help him aswell. After all he is from your country.
Hey, say you were a brit riding on an italian team, the british team invited you to the worlds. Would you help out the italian riders under team (trade) orders? 
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| Wilier |
Posted on 13-09-2009 19:30
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Well, Spaniards are known to help each other, even when they´re riding for different teams.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2009 19:36
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Wilier wrote:
Well, Spaniards are known to help each other, even when they´re riding for different teams.
"Spaniards"? Really?
2 words: Lars Boom.
Now can we please stop with the stupid nationalistic generalizations that are not only wrong, but also insulting? (I'm not even from any of the countries named and I'm insulted by the stupidity)
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Posted on 13-09-2009 19:49
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Well said issoisso but what did you mean by Boom?
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Posted on 13-09-2009 19:51
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Bosskardo wrote:
Well said issoisso but what did you mean by Boom?
Back in cyclo-cross, Boom admitted (as if it wasn't obvious to everyone watching) that he raced to have a dutchman win, not to have a Rabobank win.
On one occasion, Niels Albert tried to punch him, and I have to say it would've been fully deserved. I mentioned Boom because I'm a bit tired of seeing a bunch of dutchmen (and nobody else) crying that "it's the spanish. the spanish are always like this. bla bla bla"
If Valverde and Gesink had switched places these guys wouldn't have said a thing.
Now they're going to flame me, but I honestly don't care anymore. See ya.
Edited by issoisso on 13-09-2009 19:53
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 13-09-2009 19:57
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issoisso wrote:
Now they're going to flame me, but I honestly don't care anymore. See ya.
I burnt isso for you all!
Edited by doddy13 on 13-09-2009 19:58
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| mrlol |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:10
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issoisso wrote:
Bosskardo wrote:
Well said issoisso but what did you mean by Boom?
Back in cyclo-cross, Boom admitted (as if it wasn't obvious to everyone watching) that he raced to have a dutchman win, not to have a Rabobank win.
On one occasion, Niels Albert tried to punch him, and I have to say it would've been fully deserved. I mentioned Boom because I'm a bit tired of seeing a bunch of dutchmen (and nobody else) crying that "it's the spanish. the spanish are always like this. bla bla bla"
If Valverde and Gesink had switched places these guys wouldn't have said a thing.
Now they're going to flame me, but I honestly don't care anymore. See ya.
for me - there isnt much team tactics involved in cyclo cross anyway. sill, I dont know about it that Boom said so I'll leave this.
but, you are wrong in saying it is dutchies only. in the last two page of this topic it included at least a belgian and a brit as well.
It is - me for - a proven fact the Spanish help eachother, as do Italians (I said that before as well). Don't say this is bullshit, they've obviously proven it today with Cobo being the best example.
It's a fact. Don't deny it happends, and don't say it's stupid. You're doing exactly the same with Boom.
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