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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-09-2009 16:20
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This just in: the world is ending.
Not really, but feel free to post your own news.
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 01-09-2009 16:24
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David Millar killed a mosquito and there's romance on the Garmin team bus.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-09-2009 16:27
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I laughed out loud. Literally. At his exchange with Boonen 
More the lingo and accents than what was said.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 01-09-2009 21:31
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Epic mosquito killing
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 01-09-2009 21:45
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i loved it
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 02-09-2009 21:16
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One of Denmarks leading blood doping experts (wrote his thesis and PhD on blood doping) is Jakob Mørkebjerg.
He's had a look at Armstrong's blood values from the Tour de France and says that his values are very irregular compared to what you'd normally expect.
"His haemotocrit and haemoglobin values are pretty much the same on the first and last day of the Tour, and that's highly unusual. Even more unusual is it that his haemotocrit value increased in the middle of the Tour.
What we know from research is that these values should normally drop during hard work, such as the Tour. But Armstrong's values don't reflect that."
Interviewer: Why is that?
"Blood transfusion is one possibility. I'm not saying he did it, but it's one explanation"
Mørkebjerg also says that Armstrong's values during the Giro were perfectly normal.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2009 21:25
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Haematocrit increasing during a Grand Tour.
[sarcasm]That's possible[/sarcasm]
This would be the Armstrong who claims he'll publicise his blood values but only makes less than half of them public.
This would be the Armstrong that's retroactively changed past blood values marked on his website to make the vast haematocrit changes seem less severe and thus less suspicious. Or should I say "less impossible without blood doping"
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2009 21:40
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https://cdn-commun...4.Full.jpg
Notice the DOUBLE spike in HcT during the Tour. Yet because there is no test for autologous transfusions, this can't be declared a positive. Ridiculous.
The two HcT spikes are as the mountains start and for the Ventoux. Convenient.
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| Alesle |
Posted on 02-09-2009 21:50
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issoisso wrote:
https://cdn-commun...4.Full.jpg
Notice the DOUBLE spike in HcT during the Tour. Yet because there is no test for autologous transfusions, this can't be declared a positive. Ridiculous.
The two HcT spikes are as the mountains start and for the Ventoux. Convenient.
Do you have a full working link isso? 
edit: cheers
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2009 21:53
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Woops. Sorry 
https://cdn-commun...4.Full.jpg
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Posted on 02-09-2009 21:53
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this s dangerous subject at this time..soon american members will weak up and arrive.. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 02-09-2009 21:54
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yeah should have posted earlier and let it other drown it out 
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| drd23 |
Posted on 02-09-2009 23:30
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First of all, im neither American or an expert on blood doping (but i am a med student so know a bit about red blood cell production), but those values do seem odd to me and im not sure that autologus transfusions would explain it because his reticulocyte (RBC precursors) count goes up at the times of his highest HcT.
If it were an autologus transfusion, his reticulocyte % should go down, not up. If anything, I would have thought that that pattern would be more indicative of EPO than an autologus transfusion |
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Posted on 03-09-2009 02:54
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Its wonderful to know he's still on the juice.
I am split as to whether or not I'd like him to be caught. I'd love for people to get it through their heads that he has/is cheating, but on the other hand I fear what it might do for cycling in this country if he goes down.
Ah well, six of one, half dozen of the other, its going to end in a way I don't like no matter what  |
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Posted on 03-09-2009 02:59
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Are there any riders too compare this too? He surely wouldn't release anything that will get him caught for cheating.
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Posted on 03-09-2009 06:48
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jack888 wrote:
Are there any riders too compare this too? He surely wouldn't release anything that will get him caught for cheating.
I would like too see another riders table of tests because what if this what all the top 20 have.
I´d like to see what Contador´s values are but its more than impossible that he will publish them.
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| drd23 |
Posted on 03-09-2009 07:11
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Deadpool wrote:
Its wonderful to know he's still on the juice.
I am split as to whether or not I'd like him to be caught. I'd love for people to get it through their heads that he has/is cheating, but on the other hand I fear what it might do for cycling in this country if he goes down.
Ah well, six of one, half dozen of the other, its going to end in a way I don't like no matter what
I think it would be extremely damaging to the sport outside the traditional cycling countries if he was caught and outed as a cheat. I know, that here in Australia at least, his achievements have done quite a bit to introduce cycling to the wider sporting public and would ruin cycling if he was caught. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-09-2009 07:31
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drd23 wrote:
First of all, im neither American or an expert on blood doping (but i am a med student so know a bit about red blood cell production), but those values do seem odd to me and im not sure that autologus transfusions would explain it because his reticulocyte (RBC precursors) count goes up at the times of his highest HcT.
If it were an autologus transfusion, his reticulocyte % should go down, not up. If anything, I would have thought that that pattern would be more indicative of EPO than an autologus transfusion
Blood transfusions are always accompanied by EPO microdosing to up retyculocites. With the tests being very bad, EPO microdosing is impossible to detect. Even normal EPO use is unlike to be caught.
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Are there any riders too compare this too? He surely wouldn't release anything that will get him caught for cheating.
I would like too see another riders table of tests because what if this what all the top 20 have.
Well, we can compare them to Basso's values, since Basso is the other guy producing haematocrit values.
For the Giro d'Italia, Basso's HcT started at 44. By the end of the Giro it was 39.7. A massive difference, quite normal for someone who dug deep into their limits on a lot of stages (aka someone competing for the GC).
There were also no spikes. It went down, down and down during the Giro. 44->42.8->40.8->39.7
The percentage of reticulocytes did pretty much the same. Started the Giro at 0.94, ended at 0.71
Quite normal values and not at all indicative of blood doping (I'm not saying he's clean)
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Posted on 03-09-2009 09:14
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Basso is a mere mortal.
You forget though, that Armstrong is special.  |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 03-09-2009 13:54
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If Armstrong is cheating and is found out and caught cheating I am turning my back on cycling for good, he and Valverde are the reason I started cycling and took interest in cycling. |
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