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| stevedaytona |
Posted on 10-08-2009 16:08
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Under 23
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I have a few questions about Scouts and the riders they find.
What effect does the rating of the scout have? Does the higher rated scout find the better riders or is it the quality of the information that is affected? If it is the quality of the information, then I assume there is a little point in having lower rated scouts (say less than 8/10)?
What should I expect in terms of the riders rating? If my scout finds a climber with MO stat of 65 is that good, or just average. (In this case, my scout (rated 7 in Mountains) classified the rider as ‘future great’).
Is there anyway of deleting reports on scouted riders as after a while, I see a lot of ‘no hopers’ that I am never going to sign – it would be good to be able to delete the reports. |
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| Inferio |
Posted on 10-08-2009 16:19
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Domestique
Posts: 687
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stevedaytona wrote:
I have a few questions about Scouts and the riders they find.
What effect does the rating of the scout have? Does the higher rated scout find the better riders or is it the quality of the information that is affected? If it is the quality of the information, then I assume there is a little point in having lower rated scouts (say less than 8/10)?
What should I expect in terms of the riders rating? If my scout finds a climber with MO stat of 65 is that good, or just average. (In this case, my scout (rated 7 in Mountains) classified the rider as ‘future great’).
Is there anyway of deleting reports on scouted riders as after a while, I see a lot of ‘no hopers’ that I am never going to sign – it would be good to be able to delete the reports.
MO 65 stat is quite good and in combination with Future great he has a good chance to be great climber  |
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| Supaplex |
Posted on 10-08-2009 23:21
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Junior Rider
Posts: 33
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I struggled at first to find youngsters that really looked like they could be something. When my scouts pointed out some Future Greats, they didn't look great at all when monitoring them.
But I think found a good way to make sure that you attract young riders who at least have a nice chance of becoming good : use the 'Under 23' rankings and results that you find in the Races tab.
Look at the top 10 or 20 in the world, then check out some race results. I noticed that they don't show time differences but by taking the race profice into account you can judge what type each rider probably is (for example, he who wins alot of flat stages will most likely be a sprinter).
Then try to find these guys. Send your scouts to the countries where the top young riders are coming from. The better your scouts' reputation the better he will be at finding the ones you want quicker I think. And finding a top young rider should be quite easy when he is from a country like Russia, since Russia is just one scouting zone. I found a Russian sprinter that way who was in the top 3 of the world ranking. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-08-2009 23:28
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Grand Tour Champion
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I found a Russian sprinter that way who was in the top 3 of the world ranking.
Which is no guarantee he'll be a future great. Because PCM 09 has the genius system of min/max values for every potential that are so wide of range, that talents who look like nothing have great progression marges and will become superb talents. While the leaders of the world ranking might be only potential 3 riders who have already reached their limit.
I've spent a great deal of time exploring savegames the last couple of days to get to understand the way the game works with stat limits and stats of scouted riders, and my conclusion is that the starting stats of talents are very random, and that scouted riders with high stats are not a lucky find, but half of the time riders who have already reached their limit.
I tried finetuning the files responsible for the stats and progression of young riders. But so far it's hard to find a good balance, and to do it right without screwing up the game. |
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| stevedaytona |
Posted on 11-08-2009 01:18
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Under 23
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So, if there is no way of knowing how far along a rider is on his progression, I would think you just have to assume that your scout knows what he is talking about if he ranks the rider as future great?
Is it fair to say then, that the scouts with low ratings (say less than 7/10) are not worth having? |
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| Inferio |
Posted on 11-08-2009 07:55
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Domestique
Posts: 687
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stevedaytona wrote:
So, if there is no way of knowing how far along a rider is on his progression, I would think you just have to assume that your scout knows what he is talking about if he ranks the rider as future great?
The Future Great means that he'll progress a lot (for example by 15 MO points), but if his stats are very low (for example 58 MO), then he will have low stat in the final (in this example only 73 MO). The other situation is if he is very high in World Ranking, your scout find him and say that his MO stat is 70, but then you can see he is only Worth Watching because have only 2 stars in MO and can progress only by 5 points... Because of this I prefer Future Great or Promising riders with high stats... But this all is really hard, because this all is very random...
stevedaytona wrote:
Is it fair to say then, that the scouts with low ratings (say less than 7/10) are not worth having?
I think that it isn't very big difference between 7/10 and 9/10 scouts... Both are worth... It depends on your financial situation...
Edited by Inferio on 11-08-2009 07:55
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| laBOMBA |
Posted on 18-09-2009 04:11
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Amateur
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Another way to determine if they are a future great is the following:
In your inbox, whenever there is a message popping up that some team is investing in cyclist x, that might be an indication that this cyclist x has indeed great potential. I've signed 3 or 4 of these riders that popped up in my inbox, and all of them have good to great developing potential.
The only tricky part is that you need to find them based on their name. So you need to guess which country they are from and then scout that area.
Also, the nationality of the team that sponsors cyclist x might give an indication of where he can be found.
You can also check the U23's to see if he has raced and which nationality he has.
Let me know if other people have tried this as well, and what the result is.
Edited by laBOMBA on 18-09-2009 04:13
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| Axel Merckx |
Posted on 29-09-2009 01:01
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Amateur
Posts: 4
Joined: 12-01-2008
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i have to post a screen of him, sorry for using your thread. |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 29-09-2009 01:05
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Sprinter
Posts: 1912
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Wow his STA sucks... |
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Posted on 29-12-2024 02:13
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| ursul |
Posted on 29-09-2009 02:11
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but is mountain is high! he will be the best climber in one or two year!
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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| aavf |
Posted on 08-11-2009 20:18
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Stagiare
Posts: 151
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Anyone knows about the limits in the DB, is it possible the riders evolve above is limits in db? If not, in my daily db, riders like sicard, Kritskiy for example will just be medium/good riders. I know great youngsters aren't sure to be great pros, still they should become better.
I want to know this to change or not their potential. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 08-11-2009 20:24
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Tour de France Champion
Posts: 29989
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Riders don't evolve about their limits - what would the purpose of limits be if that was possible?
You can change them manually in DYN_cyclist. |
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| aavf |
Posted on 08-11-2009 20:49
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Stagiare
Posts: 151
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CrueTrue wrote:
Riders don't evolve about their limits - what would the purpose of limits be if that was possible?
You can change them manually in DYN_cyclist.
Thanks, wanted to be sure, this way i'll have to up the potentials before starting the career. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 08-11-2009 21:25
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Tour de France Champion
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That depends on how you look at it.
If I were you, I'd preset some of the limits. The main problem is that too many of the potential points are given to stats which don't really matter to the rider type. E.g., if you have a young climber, there's not really any reason why some of his potential points should go to e.g. cobblestones. So if you preset his cobblestone limit to 50, he'll get more points in other stats instead.
It's something that we're giving high priority for the next PCM.daily DB.
Also notice that the scouted riders have pretty much perfect limits. |
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