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Creating a train
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Posted on 25-12-2024 17:10
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| Campag-velocet |
Posted on 01-08-2009 14:26
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Hi all,
I'm a complete newbie to PCM just downloaded '09 about a week ago and I'm getting completely hooked!!! I'm trying to get my team to provide a train lead-out for my sprinter, I'm trying to do this using the follow command, however I can get rider 2 to follow rider 1, but then it all seems to fall apart, rider 3 will not follow rider 2, however I can get my designated rider 4 to follow the wheel of rider 3, starting a new train. Am i doing something wrong, do the riders have to be extremely close to each other to follow a wheel? I do have all my team come to the front of the peleton with about 20K's to go but still dont seem to be able to build a train.
I intentially started with a low ranking team (Rock Racing) with the plan of trying to promte them through the ranks as time passes, could it be that my riders are just not stron enough?
Anyones advice/thoughts would be greatly appreciated
Gareth
Ps....how can i find out about the fantasy betting? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-08-2009 14:58
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You can only follow if the train is in front of the rider. Maybe a rider from another team followed your train, did you see something? I cannot think of any other problem.
About the team. Do you mean within one season or over several years. In the actual season you have to use the fitness plans to get your team into good shape for the races you want to win. A team like Rock Racing cannot win races like Tour de France though. From July on you can contact better riders to enlarge your team. (Search for riders with ending contracts, by clicking the magnifier) But do not forget got prolong the contracts of your good riders. |
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| v1adimir |
Posted on 01-08-2009 15:07
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Good thread!
I can make a train with 3 riders but I can't build a train with more than 3 riders watever I tried: the fourth rider doesn't want to follow the train even if there is nobody between them and he is very close to it.
And sometimes my lead-out man with FL 82 can't overtake other riders with FL less than 75! Any explanations? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-08-2009 15:49
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I cannot imagine the problems you have. The distance does not matter. You can follow a train even when 20 meters behind or if there are 50 riders in between. But you have to be behind.
You have to use "the dot" (individual effort) on your lead-out. Then you have to set the % to make him to go to the front. Then you can set him back to short or long relay.
The FL stats does not say much. It is important that your rider has a full yellow bar, that the green is not very low and that the fitness is good. |
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| v1adimir |
Posted on 02-08-2009 12:27
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And it's very annoying seeing long trains while my train has only 3 riders  |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 02-08-2009 12:50
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Normally a rider can't follow a train if he is not fit enough compared to the train speed. That means you couldn't expect a half tired, 62 Flat stat follow easily a +50km/h train. That said, I don't suggest you to try to form long trains unless you have quite a few capable riders to do that. It is useless to have a, for example, 5 riders train if the guy at the front is pulling too slow.
When you have 3 riders at your train (besides your sprinter), normally you can put the guy at the front in individual effort at a high value (+90%) until he is done, then you take him out of the train by putting the second one in individual effort. If you have managed to arrive about 3km to the finish line, sprint with the last helper in the train (the lead out)and about 1-1,2 km from the finish line your sprinter finishes the job (all that is a general view, things change if, for example, another train is going on faster; if that happens it is better to jump there ). By the way, some people use another rider behind the sprinter, so no other sprinter will follow closely your wheels, but I don't find that fair and is quite cheaty (you can, at some point, reduce a lot your speed with the end of the train rider and the guys behind him won't react, they will just follow you even if you are at 10% effort).
However, my 2 cents, normally it is enough a little train with 2 guys. The first one leads until like 5 km to go, the second one until 3 km to go, keeping close to the front of the faster train and then just jumping there. It is important not to overpass the trains, because you would end with your sprinter all by himself ath the front and that's not good. I rather choose this technique because that way you don't need a bunch of high helpers, but just a couple would do the job.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| v1adimir |
Posted on 02-08-2009 14:07
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Oh, maybe it was the reason why the other riders couldn't join the train. Beause I usually protect 2 lead-out men and a main sprinter with other riders and they don't do any job during a race. So they arrive to the last 20 kms in a good shape what you cant' say about the rest...
Thanks for the explanation! |
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| Campag-velocet |
Posted on 02-08-2009 17:21
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Lachi wrote:
You can only follow if the train is in front of the rider. Maybe a rider from another team followed your train, did you see something? I cannot think of any other problem.
About the team. Do you mean within one season or over several years. In the actual season you have to use the fitness plans to get your team into good shape for the races you want to win. A team like Rock Racing cannot win races like Tour de France though. From July on you can contact better riders to enlarge your team. (Search for riders with ending contracts, by clicking the magnifier) But do not forget got prolong the contracts of your good riders.
Thanks for the advice guys!!
I'm planning on iproving the team over a number of seasons.....with regards to the fitness plans, how reliable are the default ones which the computer selects for each rider? |
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| YtimK |
Posted on 02-08-2009 18:20
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Campag-velocet wrote:
Lachi wrote:
You can only follow if the train is in front of the rider. Maybe a rider from another team followed your train, did you see something? I cannot think of any other problem.
About the team. Do you mean within one season or over several years. In the actual season you have to use the fitness plans to get your team into good shape for the races you want to win. A team like Rock Racing cannot win races like Tour de France though. From July on you can contact better riders to enlarge your team. (Search for riders with ending contracts, by clicking the magnifier) But do not forget got prolong the contracts of your good riders.
Thanks for the advice guys!!
I'm planning on iproving the team over a number of seasons.....with regards to the fitness plans, how reliable are the default ones which the computer selects for each rider?
you really have to check the correctness for each (or at least your most important ones) of your riders. Sometimes the computer picks one of the "Roubaix" Plans for a stage rider e.g.
"Sometimes in football you have to score goals." - Thierry Henry understands
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| v1adimir |
Posted on 02-08-2009 19:05
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Campag-velocet wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys!!
I'm planning on iproving the team over a number of seasons.....with regards to the fitness plans, how reliable are the default ones which the computer selects for each rider?
Some of fitness plans should be changed for sure. Besides AI doesn't consider participation in NCs and WCs. If they are important to you your riders should be in good shape by that time what you'll have to do by yourself... |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 02-08-2009 22:26
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I never used a single of these plans. Of course it is easier to get started with them to get to know the game but as soon as you have some understanding, I recommend to make your own plans.
I even created a tool to plan a season. Feel free to use it as soon as you have more insight to this game: https://www.pcmdai...hp?did=634 |
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| lechia |
Posted on 03-08-2009 20:03
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It actually can be annoying getting on wheels in the leadup to the sprint. I sometimes have my sprinter lose a wheel of a rider in front of him and actually doing what Lachi suggested is mostly impossible, i.e. a rider won't follow another who is far away. I presume this is either because he's not strong enough or another sprinter "has that wheel" though maybe is also far away.
What I usually do is use 3 guys. The first follows one of the guys at the front of the peleton (maybe the 3rd guy from the front). This saves him some energy rather than putting him on the dot, especially if you want him to be leading out from 12 km out. Before I near 3 km I put him on dot and full speed. Then at 3 km or a little later depending on the situation, I sprint with the 2nd rider and at 1 km I sprint with my main guy. A better/easier way to win is to grab the wheel of the 2nd guy in a leadout of another team. He will have to jump from behind his leadout before 1 km and will tire out before the finish which is when I can pounce. I followed Bennati's wheel in Stage 2 of the Tour with Gasparotto and was able to come around for the win. Boonen and other sprinters who were behind me (even though faster on paper) weren't able to get around me in time. |
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| pepto_szn |
Posted on 04-08-2009 12:15
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How about yellow and red bars? Do you try to use them as much as you can just before sprint starts, or should I leave them and take care to have them as big as possible? I have noticed in one stage, that just before sprint started at 3 km, sprinting (orange) bar shown up, I've done normal sprint on about 1 km to go and after my rider crossed the line, red and yellow bars displayed, and they were half full (or half empty for pessimists  ) just like before sprint started... So what bar is most important just before sprint starts?
Edited by pepto_szn on 04-08-2009 12:16
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| avint |
Posted on 05-08-2009 01:07
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I guess the yellow bar, the red bar is the attacking bar, but the yellow shows the riders energi to go very fast.
Well, i have huge succes in the sprints, but i guess you have your answer in this thread - if you dont, send me a note and i'll learn you.
/Avint
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| pepto_szn |
Posted on 06-08-2009 09:22
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What is the best way to put your riders in good position before finish? Whan I'm using short relay no all of my riders are going in front. Another question is when is the best time to start making train (how many km before finish)? |
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| rontgen |
Posted on 06-08-2009 09:43
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individual effort is the best way to get your riders to the front since that means they'll use the least ammount of energy. That is if you get the percentage right. If you get it wrong you may find yourself at the pack of the peloton or getting to the front too fast (=using more energy than necessary).
I try to get my sprinter/lead outs to the front before the pace is too high (30 kms, works quite ok) and then simply have them on 'keep position'. |
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| davey90 |
Posted on 06-08-2009 10:18
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I always put the 4 riders I want to prepare the sprint in the front of the pack around 20 kms before the finish. Then, when there are 12 kms to go I put a good flat rider, whose stats are around 72, behind him I put a better flat rider with ~76-77 in flat skills, a sprinter and finally my main sprinter. I put them all at 99% individual effort
When there are around 7 kms to go I put my second flat rider and when the sprint begins my secondary sprinter sprints with the main sprinter behind him and with 1-1'5 kms to go my main sprinter sprints. I've won a lot of races using that system. |
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| pepto_szn |
Posted on 06-08-2009 10:35
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Thank you for your reply. However how can I put my riders to go in selected order, if "follow" button is not active before 10 km to finish...? Shoud I use "free ride" and proper percentages to each (first one ex. 85, second 84, third 83 etc.)? |
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| lechia |
Posted on 07-08-2009 20:08
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No. You can only follow after 12 km to go. Just "follow" after the first one is in front of the 2nd and follow the 2nd when he's ahead of the 3rd, etc. |
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