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| cscsam |
Posted on 25-07-2009 09:25
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With Andy Schleck 24 and Alberto Contador 26 future tours are looking very exciting indeed. This years tour has been brilliant but I can see the next couple become closer and Schleck will improve a bit more. If he works hard at tt and continues his mountain progression. We would have some absoulute epic duels in the next couple if years with the mix of all the other gc boys.
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Posted on 25-07-2009 10:08
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Andy Schleck will never win TTs against Cancellara...
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Posted on 25-07-2009 10:15
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At the moment Andy has zero chance against Contador, who is much better and at ease in the mountains, and besides all that he rapes Andy and everybody else in time trials. Zero.
When Contador attacked the Schleck brothers he didn't stopped because he thought he was going to get caught, he stopped to realize that Kloden was done for. You could see by the images that even Frank and Andy working together were working kind of sluggish to catch Contador who was riding away from both like he was on a Sunday ride.
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Posted on 25-07-2009 10:38
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Also will be nice to see nibali improve in the next few years and he could make it interesting also. He has got no acceleration on the climbs though and prefers to grind his way up but ive been very impressive with him. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 10:41
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Posted on 25-07-2009 10:44
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it looks as though the serious rivalry's and competition will be for the remaining podium places or at the GT's Contador doesn't attend. Personally though, Ad, I don't see Nibali improving enough to win a GT, but he may podium if he gets lucky...I just don't think he climbs or TT's well enough. He's destined to be the next Karpets!  |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 14:15
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Don't forget about Gesink and Kreuziger. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 15:49
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gesink,kreutziger,rigoberto uran
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:13
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Heh good riders, but none of those are even going to be close to Contador. Look at the amount of time he's ahead, with a relatively "easy" TDF route and holding back two crucial stages. Even riding for a less imposing team he'd be two levels ahead of his rivals. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:21
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
it looks as though the serious rivalry's and competition will be for the remaining podium places or at the GT's Contador doesn't attend. Personally though, Ad, I don't see Nibali improving enough to win a GT, but he may podium if he gets lucky...I just don't think he climbs or TT's well enough. He's destined to be the next Karpets!
Thats like saying andy schleck is the new karpets you oaf!!!!!
At least he could mix it up in the odd mountain stage like on ventoux i know he cracked but was interesting to see him follow |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:30
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tour de france 2010 an will be surely interesthing ( but of course, doping case, injury, team not invited...)
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:33
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Dan_Grr wrote:
At the moment Andy has zero chance against Contador, who is much better and at ease in the mountains, and besides all that he rapes Andy and everybody else in time trials. Zero.
When Contador attacked the Schleck brothers he didn't stopped because he thought he was going to get caught, he stopped to realize that Kloden was done for. You could see by the images that even Frank and Andy working together were working kind of sluggish to catch Contador who was riding away from both like he was on a Sunday ride.
Mountain rape.
I'm not sure, to good climber chasing one other, In the next year to come, Kreauziger, Condator, Andy Schleck and Gesink will become four great rider, maybe we will see some new legendary tour like 2003...
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:35
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I think Andy is fated to be the next "eternal second" behind Contador - although it could be interesting to see what team Contador ends up on next year... he probably won't be as dominating without the same level of backup that he's gotten from Astana this year.
Contador's advantage in Time Trials might be evened out by the Saxobank's mountain team... I think losing Voigt and especially Arvesen really bit into Schleck's chances this year. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:39
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Cordelier wrote:
I think Andy is fated to be the next "eternal second" behind Contador - although it could be interesting to see what team Contador ends up on next year... he probably won't be as dominating without the same level of backup that he's gotten from Astana this year.
Contador's advantage in Time Trials might be evened out by the Saxobank's mountain team... I think losing Voigt and especially Arvesen really bit into Schleck's chances this year.
The fact is he couldn't lose Contador in the mountains. Werent' that many times where it even looked close. And I can't see Arvesen or Voigt changing that... they might help him gain more time if he got away... but he never got away.
If you cant' lose a superior time trialist in the mountains... you aren't going to win. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:43
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Right now, Contador is 3+ minutes faster than A. Schleck on the TTs overall. Considering he's also better than him in the mountains, there really isn't a close competition between them. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 16:50
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Ad wrote:
stuartmcstuart wrote:
it looks as though the serious rivalry's and competition will be for the remaining podium places or at the GT's Contador doesn't attend. Personally though, Ad, I don't see Nibali improving enough to win a GT, but he may podium if he gets lucky...I just don't think he climbs or TT's well enough. He's destined to be the next Karpets!
Thats like saying andy schleck is the new karpets you oaf!!!!!
At least he could mix it up in the odd mountain stage like on ventoux i know he cracked but was interesting to see him follow
Oaf? No need to use my pet-name sweetie.
I'm not entirely sure I follow the Schleck reference either...he is quite obviously one of the best climbers and has every possibility of winning a GT (as long as Contador isn't there with a super team). How does he relate to Karpets? You do realise I am using the Karpets analogy to talk about 'almost' men, people who are quite good on GC through climbing and TT'ing, but never the top level and I am NOT comparing their actual abilities (Nibali is definitely better at climbing than the Russian). I actually hope Nibali proves me wrong, and steps up a level next year. 
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Posted on 25-07-2009 17:02
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KurtinSC wrote:
The fact is he couldn't lose Contador in the mountains. Werent' that many times where it even looked close. And I can't see Arvesen or Voigt changing that... they might help him gain more time if he got away... but he never got away.
If you cant' lose a superior time trialist in the mountains... you aren't going to win.
I don't disagree with you - even if Arvesen and Voigt hadn't been injured, the odds are still pretty good Contador still would have won. But look at the depth of Astana - even without Leipheimer, they still had undisputed control of the front of the Peloton the only team that could have competed was Saxobank, but once they lost Arvesen and Voigt, there was no chance.
You control the Peloton, you control the race - it doesn't matter how good your best rider is if you can't win that battle. Just ask Cadel Evans about that.
My point is that Contador is going to have a weaker team next year - maybe Garmin, maybe Caisse d'Epargne, and that will probably cede the Peloton to Saxobank or Radio Shack (at least in the mountain stages). He's going to have a harder go at it without the same level of support he's gotten this year. Plus, Contador is in his prime - Andy still hasn't hit his yet.
I take your point on the Time Trials - Andy will need to get better there to compete... but as good as Contador is on TT's, he's not Indurain-style good - so he's still going to have to win or lose in the Mountains, and my point is the Andy is only going to get better there while Contador has nowhere to go but down without Astana. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 17:25
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Whit just some training and some experience, Andy can become one of the most dangerous (or the most) rival of Contador.
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Posted on 25-07-2009 18:16
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that is until they can't use the dope that they are using now and fade away like menchov/sastre/evans this year. |
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Posted on 25-07-2009 18:29
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Phanekim wrote:
that is until they can't use the dope that they are using now and fade away like menchov/sastre/evans this year.
Menchov left too much at the Giro, Sastre is paying the price of switching to an inferior team, and I don't think Evans has ever really had a good team - can you imagine how good he would have been if he was ever on a top team?
With all of the scrutiny going on now, I've got to figure Cycling is about as clean a sport as there is nowadays. You'd have to be crazy to try doping now. |
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