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| Wyatt_Earp |
Posted on 17-07-2009 11:37
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I have som questions regarding Potential.
What is the relationship between Potential and Limit in Attributes?
The STA_potential table has a MIN and MAX potential for each Level. 8 (305-340) and 2 (265-305). does this mean that a level 2 at Max is as good as a level 8 at Min?
Where can you see what number a rider has? (not potential, but between min and max) earlier there where a number in DYN_cyclist, but i cant find it. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-07-2009 11:43
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Wyatt_Earp wrote:
I have som questions regarding Potential.
What is the relationship between Potential and Limit in Attributes?
The STA_potential table has a MIN and MAX potential for each Level. 8 (305-340) and 2 (265-305). does this mean that a level 2 at Max is as good as a level 8 at Min?
Yes. This way potential is unpredictable (just as in reality, "can't miss" young future stars end up being crap and crappy youngsters end up being stars)
Wyatt_Earp wrote:
Where can you see what number a rider has? (not potential, but between min and max) earlier there where a number in DYN_cyclist, but i cant find it.
I don't remember the name of the column, but it's near the start (left) of DYN_cyclist, not longe after the rider's names
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-07-2009 11:48
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The potential system was changed in PCM09, so no, the exact number isn't in the DB of PCM09 - it was in PCM08.
Instead, there's a new one called value_f_current_evaluation which, I believe, shows how 'fulfilled' the rider's potential is. |
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| Inferio |
Posted on 17-07-2009 11:59
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CrueTrue wrote:
The potential system was changed in PCM09, so no, the exact number isn't in the DB of PCM09 - it was in PCM08.
Instead, there's a new one called value_f_current_evaluation which, I believe, shows how 'fulfilled' the rider's potential is.
The higher is better?
And I have noticed when you edit your savegame, then the cycliste have numbers in columns limit_i_xxx (attribute).... so you can touch up their limits... |
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| Roo |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:07
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the value_f_current_evaluation displays a riders average rating I think. At least the rider's average rating in the original db. Therefore it is in relation to how developed a rider is as CrueTrue said.
In PCM08 I found that the STA_potential table determined when your scout could find a young rider. If say a rider had potential 2, he'd be scoutable when his top five ratings summed gave 265-305.
^As you can see in the table a rider with potential 8 has 305-345 as the sum of his best 5 attributes, but when fully developed in-game he would have 400+ in this number. That and other "incidents" led me to the conclusion that the numbers in STA_potential determined when a young rider would be scoutable.
I don't think potential has any affect on the attribute limits, yet the sum of a rider's best attributes. The limits I believe depends on the age of a rider - the older, the lower limits. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:08
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Inferio wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
The potential system was changed in PCM09, so no, the exact number isn't in the DB of PCM09 - it was in PCM08.
Instead, there's a new one called value_f_current_evaluation which, I believe, shows how 'fulfilled' the rider's potential is.
The higher is better?
And I have noticed when you edit your savegame, then the cycliste have numbers in columns limit_i_xxx (attribute).... so you can touch up their limits...
For some odd reason my young riders their limit is like only 1-2 points higher then their current. Pretty annoying, and if u ave to change them all manually ... |
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| Inferio |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:14
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Kami wrote:
Inferio wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
The potential system was changed in PCM09, so no, the exact number isn't in the DB of PCM09 - it was in PCM08.
Instead, there's a new one called value_f_current_evaluation which, I believe, shows how 'fulfilled' the rider's potential is.
The higher is better?
And I have noticed when you edit your savegame, then the cycliste have numbers in columns limit_i_xxx (attribute).... so you can touch up their limits...
For some odd reason my young riders their limit is like only 1-2 points higher then their current. Pretty annoying, and if u ave to change them all manually ...
Yes...it's very disappointing in PCM09... |
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:14
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Roo wrote:
^As you can see in the table a rider with potential 8 has 305-345 as the sum of his best 5 attributes, but when fully developed in-game he would have 400+ in this number. That and other "incidents" led me to the conclusion that the numbers in STA_potential determined when a young rider would be scoutable.
the numbers in sta_potential was the value-range of the five best attributes new cyclists will get generated for each potential.
The attribute-limits and the probability for certain min and max values of the attributes were and are determinded by the youngrider_carac-xml-tables in the main pcm directory (those are linked to the potential).
Sorry cant expain it better in english.
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| Wyatt_Earp |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:41
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CrueTrue wrote:
The potential system was changed in PCM09, so no, the exact number isn't in the DB of PCM09 - it was in PCM08.
Instead, there's a new one called value_f_current_evaluation which, I believe, shows how 'fulfilled' the rider's potential is.
I found the value_f_current_evalutation column, but does not understand what it means. Look at the example below, it is extracted from my DB.
I have summed up the sum of all attributes, and the sum of the limit of all attributes. Armstrong cant get any better, but has only 77,5.
A young rider like Thyler Phinney has a value of 68,75, does this mean he wont be any good?
Had to copy the table inside my post, couse excel file wont, attach..
name potential value_f_current_evaluation
age Sum Attr Sum Limit Diff
Boonen 8 81,75 28 902 932 30
Phinney 8 68,75 18 802 920 118
Armstrong 8 77,75 37 875 875 0
Cancellara 7 81,10 27 918 940 22
Gilbert 7 80,30 26 906 931 25
Ballan 7 81,45 27 900 928 28
Devolder 7 81,35 29 900 928 28
Kirchen 7 79,30 30 896 928 32
Sánchez 7 81,30 30 911 927 16
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-07-2009 12:43
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Look at the below quote.
Roo wrote:
the value_f_current_evaluation displays a riders average rating I think. At least the rider's average rating in the original db. Therefore it is in relation to how developed a rider is as CrueTrue said.
In PCM08 I found that the STA_potential table determined when your scout could find a young rider. If say a rider had potential 2, he'd be scoutable when his top five ratings summed gave 265-305.
^As you can see in the table a rider with potential 8 has 305-345 as the sum of his best 5 attributes, but when fully developed in-game he would have 400+ in this number. That and other "incidents" led me to the conclusion that the numbers in STA_potential determined when a young rider would be scoutable.
I don't think potential has any affect on the attribute limits, yet the sum of a rider's best attributes. The limits I believe depends on the age of a rider - the older, the lower limits. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:30
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I dont understand the potencial... Contador 7??? Valverde 7??? Cancellara 7??? How many has Andy Schleck 7 or 8???
All this people should be potencial 8 |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:32
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AiZaK: Potential 8 should only belong to the next Merckx. None of the riders you mention are the next Merckx.
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:43
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Contador is today the best!
Ok, Valverde 7, but Contador should be 8 |
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| Inferio |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:48
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AiZaK wrote:
Contador is today the best!
Ok, Valverde 7, but Contador should be 8
It's potential to improving...I don't think Contador will improve a lot in future  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-07-2009 13:48
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The thread is not about this. Back to topic. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 17-07-2009 18:55
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Contador Potential 8.. NO
and... Who is Phinney??? some people tell potential 8, and I don´t know who is this rider... |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 17-07-2009 18:57
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You've never heard of Taylor Phinney? Also, not 8 for him, but 7 probably. |
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| Quin |
Posted on 17-07-2009 19:07
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Ok, a couple of things:
The potential stat is still in the DB. Now think of the total sum of stats for a rider when he is fully developed. The potential value is used to determine how many "points" the game gets to distribute on the _limit columns.
Young riders that you can scout for are in DYN_young_cyclist, and there you will find both value_i_potentiel and value_f_current_evaluation (you find these in DYN_cyclist as well). The first being explained above, and the f_current_eval shows the current avg skill. Now if u move over in the table you will find the current and limit for all the skills.
Now for current riders the potential value only really tells you approx how good the rider is; e.g. how many "points" were used in his stats.
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| Roo |
Posted on 17-07-2009 19:19
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Il Grillo wrote:
the numbers in sta_potential was the value-range of the five best attributes new cyclists will get generated for each potential.
That was what I thought at first too, but when changing the numbers something strange happenned with my new careers. My scout no longer found any young riders.
A couple of seasons later he did, and the riders indeed were as good as the new numbers I introduced suggested. However the riders were older than usual now 20-23 rather than as young as 18.
Therefore I concluded that the STA_potential table actually determined when the riders would get detected by scouts. |
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