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| Jones27 |
Posted on 03-07-2009 11:12
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Why have I not seen a sprinter actually win a sprint yet? It´s allways people like Ballan, Nuyens etc. with about 72-74 in sprint, or some minor sprinters with 76 in sprint that win and beat Petachi, Boonen or Cavendish who ends up as 6-20???????? |
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| Juan |
Posted on 03-07-2009 11:13
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Jones27 wrote:
Why have I not seen a sprinter actually win a sprint yet? It´s allways people like Ballan, Nuyens etc. with about 72-74 in sprint, or some minor sprinters with 76 in sprint that win and beat Petachi, Boonen or Cavendish who ends up as 6-20????????
Maybe you didn't play dead-flat stages ?
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| Kami |
Posted on 03-07-2009 11:15
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Juan wrote:
Jones27 wrote:
Why have I not seen a sprinter actually win a sprint yet? It´s allways people like Ballan, Nuyens etc. with about 72-74 in sprint, or some minor sprinters with 76 in sprint that win and beat Petachi, Boonen or Cavendish who ends up as 6-20????????
Maybe you didn't play dead-flat stages ?
Believe me, they actually do win sometimes, bu its just becaue the minor get a good train and get a lead which mostly cant be beaten anymore. If it comes to a sprint with Boonen and Cavendish on equal distance he will beat you badly.
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| Jones27 |
Posted on 03-07-2009 22:42
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5 flad stage of the giro 2010, first one won by Gilbert (72 sprint), second Lagutin (68 sprint), third Vaitkus (actualy a sprinter from the favorit list at the begining of the race, not one of the best, but he is a sprinter) lagutin was second and none in top ten had over 71 in sprint,, 4 stage won by Gilbert, and 5 stage won by a rider I dont remember the name of but he had 69 in sprint. Napolitano is the top favorit together with Lorenzetto and Weylandts, none of them has finished in top 6 yet.
And another thing my leader who is between the favorits in the race cannot follow the peloton on some of the flat stages and hes in very good shape.
I play onn hard because you win everything on normal, but there happens some strnge things in this game.
Do not make a sprinter team!!! |
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| Jones27 |
Posted on 03-07-2009 23:56
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And the 6. stage. This is the worst I´ve ever seen i PCM, Bertolini (66 in sprint) won, and he didn´t even sprint he just wheeled over the line and the sprinters didn´t catch him, he was just having the lead of the peloton and therfore he won. This is a bug and a big one no doubt about that flat stages is absolutely no fun to play. |
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| Jones27 |
Posted on 04-07-2009 00:00
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Kami wrote:
Juan wrote:
Jones27 wrote:
Why have I not seen a sprinter actually win a sprint yet? It´s allways people like Ballan, Nuyens etc. with about 72-74 in sprint, or some minor sprinters with 76 in sprint that win and beat Petachi, Boonen or Cavendish who ends up as 6-20????????
Maybe you didn't play dead-flat stages ?
Believe me, they actually do win sometimes, bu its just becaue the minor get a good train and get a lead which mostly cant be beaten anymore. If it comes to a sprint with Boonen and Cavendish on equal distance he will beat you badly.
I´ve one time seen Cavendish win a sprint, and that over two seasons, beside of that I´ve never seen a real sprinter win a stage. My point is, that the sprinters never get to equal distance of the front of the peloton, so it´s not even the sprinters who win the sprints. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 04-07-2009 00:03
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The point is to follow the train instead of the best sprinters...
I also get better results by making my own train with a super flat rider (78 - 85 in flat) then a good sprinter (77-80 in sprint) to lead out my main sprinter (who should be about 81 --> in sprint) |
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| spudde |
Posted on 04-07-2009 00:31
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I don't think his point was how to win on flat stages. He meant that flat stages are won usually by riders with good flat stats rather than pure sprinters.
As you said, the "train" in the peloton is often faster than the leadout men for the other sprinters because the leadout people lose their energy trying to keep up by themselves, combined with the fact that most decent sprinters aren't that good on flat in the game. Cyanide should definitely try to make the sprintings better for next year at least. When you relay hard with a guy with ~80 flat rider he is a lot infront of the real sprinters so it's an easy win for a decent sprinter behind him. But he has to have a good flat rating too which makes making a real train for a most sprinters impossible. Even Cavendish loses most his energy when following Hincapie and co during the last kilometres. |
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| ladagnous |
Posted on 04-07-2009 00:39
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i have not had any problem with sprint
Ladagnous won Tropicale cycliste Amissa Bongo  |
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| Jones27 |
Posted on 04-07-2009 02:57
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ladagnous wrote:
i have not had any problem with sprint
So you mean that Cavendish, Boonen etc. actually win stages? I would like to see some of your sreenshots (from were you did the race in 3d, simulation makes fine results). |
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| Jones27 |
Posted on 04-07-2009 03:02
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The problem is not the stats, I have tried to all the sprinters very high flad, resistance, endurance and recorupation, but they still ends up as 10-20 in the sprints. Two seasons and one 3d victory for a sprinter, thats what it has been in my game.
Its a AI thing, and cyanide should be ashamed doing this again, it was the same last year as far as I remember. It would be the same if Tom Boonen always won mont vetoux, and Andy Slechk became 20, it really sucks the AI this year, barely unplayble in the sprints... |
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| socka |
Posted on 04-07-2009 12:27
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problem is in AI,because you can see a train of 15 riders where youre the second or third while boonen,cav,freire are in 10th spot and they are not trying to find a better place or make their own trains (not always ofc,sometimes there are other trains)...next thing is problem with 4th category climbs 15 km to go, where in real race sprinters can get over and sprint easily,but in game 2km long climb with 6% slope your sprinter go over and hes almost empty so kirchen,ballan and gilbert will sprint a lot better,thats why i always edit my DB so gilbert is not so overpowered (overal 79 while in real he s hardly won a race) and kirchen cannot have more than 70 sprint |
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| Kristoffer |
Posted on 04-07-2009 12:53
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Kami wrote:
Juan wrote:
Jones27 wrote:
Why have I not seen a sprinter actually win a sprint yet? It´s allways people like Ballan, Nuyens etc. with about 72-74 in sprint, or some minor sprinters with 76 in sprint that win and beat Petachi, Boonen or Cavendish who ends up as 6-20????????
Maybe you didn't play dead-flat stages ?
Believe me, they actually do win sometimes, bu its just becaue the minor get a good train and get a lead which mostly cant be beaten anymore. If it comes to a sprint with Boonen and Cavendish on equal distance he will beat you badly.
Maybe you just suck at sprinting.?
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| Roo |
Posted on 04-07-2009 13:20
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I've only had a few (<5) problems like this one. Usually the sprints are decided between Cavendish, Freire, Hushovd, Boonen and Bennati on mine. Maybe the problem is playing on hard? I play on normal. It's kinda easy winning if you have one of those five, otherwise it's a tough job to me. Anyway try playing on normal to see if that's the problem.
Note: I play with my own db, and sprinters might be better in Stamina, Resistance and Recovery, but I don't remember |
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| Kami |
Posted on 04-07-2009 13:25
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If you want some realistic spriters to win, dont make a train, because then lower sprinters will follow you or make their own, just follow in the wheel of a good sprinter.
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| M3d3k |
Posted on 04-07-2009 13:26
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I often won with haedo, just need good train with cancellara and voigt. But i never won if there is a small climb, mine sprinter goes tired, but on the other side are cavendish and others which are on stats worse than mine on climb, recovery..., they can sprint at the end.
Sometimes happend that sprinter stop following mine train and just fall back. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 04-07-2009 13:33
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My train consists of 2 riders and 2 sprinters, on my custom made team (which i will make a story off if i figure out how to take some good screenshos) i leadout with Ignatiev (Flat-80) then T. Martin (Flat-79) then Kocjan (Sprint - 75) and then Haussler (Sprint-79), it can ofcourse also be done with riders with lesser Flat stats, lowest i tried and still worked fine was Lastras with 72.
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| Jones27 |
Posted on 04-07-2009 19:23
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Kristoffer wrote:
Kami wrote:
Juan wrote:
Jones27 wrote:
Why have I not seen a sprinter actually win a sprint yet? It´s allways people like Ballan, Nuyens etc. with about 72-74 in sprint, or some minor sprinters with 76 in sprint that win and beat Petachi, Boonen or Cavendish who ends up as 6-20????????
Maybe you didn't play dead-flat stages ?
Believe me, they actually do win sometimes, bu its just becaue the minor get a good train and get a lead which mostly cant be beaten anymore. If it comes to a sprint with Boonen and Cavendish on equal distance he will beat you badly.
I try to explain again, its not me who cannot win the sprints, it´s the good sprinters from the other teams, who cannot follow the pace up front. Cavendish etc. never wins because he cant follow the pace of the peloton.
And another thing, in the tour 2010 in my game, Cavendish and Bonnen didn´t even participate i the tour. The only sprinters in the tour were Napolitano, Ciolek and lorenzeto plus a few minor onces fx Goss and Haedo, and Ciolek cant even follow the peloton on the flat stages. Non of the good sprinters were injured, they just didn´t participated. The selection seems a litle too random, I played the same tour de france twice because I did some testing with the sprinters skills. I saved (copied) the game after the last stage of Tour de Suisse, and the first time Boonen and cavendish were in the tour, next time the sprinter selection sucked??? How can that be?
Maybe you just suck at sprinting.? |
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| ripster666 |
Posted on 08-07-2009 04:11
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lol, thats random.. that with boonen and cave not joining the tour 
If you protect your sprinters good enough you shouldnt have any problems.
Ive found out that the key to a good sprint, for any rider (your or comp) is to be on the right train. The train who has the best leadout wins 80-90% of the races on my game.
Ive also expirienced that its not very often the favourite wins. But in my last tour with milram and ciolek, Cave/Hushovd and Freire won stages. So it may be just a bit random, but if the best sprinters sits on the right wheel they will win.
My best pos with ciolek was 2., i had big problems getting used to not getting a good wheel (think it was a lot easier in pcm08) |
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