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| smartman213 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 01:11
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I wasn't sure if this would be a technical issue, or a general question, but is it normal that my rider's stats have decreased as the season progresses? I had Contador's climbing stat set at 84, and he is being trained as a climber by a legnedary trainer, yet I am 2 days before the Tour and he is down to an 81? Same for Lance, he dropped 3 points in climbing, along with all my other riders. Popovych was set to have 79 climbing and hills and is now 75 73 respectively. Is this normal? Cuz WTF-Mate this is kind of bothering me esp since the stats of all the other riders not controlled by my team have remained the same. What am I doing wrong? |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 28-06-2009 01:14
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The older riders go down because they are getting older (Lance). Not sure about Contador though. |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 01:23
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well see I was just messing around with this career and made Lance 20 yrs old...(why not give him 15 career TDF wins ya know)...so idk why a 20 yr old would drop in stats...and it was along with the whole team. It did this to me before also. Yet it is only the mountain and hill stats that change, the sprint and TT stay the same. It's really aggravating. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 03:21
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Have you sent any of these riders on training camps? |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 04:53
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Have you sent any of these riders on training camps?
at one point or another yes. Do training camps hurt their overall stats once the training camp effects wear off? |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 06:53
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Yes, you get a boost for a little while then the effect wears off.
They eventually lose all the stats they gained.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-06-2009 09:28
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I read a bug report which said that riders not only lost their boost, but also lost some of their 'original' stats after havng been on a training camp. So that might be the issue here. |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 16:43
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Yes, you get a boost for a little while then the effect wears off.
They eventually lose all the stats they gained.
Sorry I must not have been clear enough, I know that riders get boosts from training camps, that is why they are there after all haha. But dang that sucks if it is going to then go the opposite direction with the stat. I will report back in say a month of gameplay to see if the stat then returns back to normal. Could this be something that Cyanide put in for a reason.
I could see it being like a penalty for using the training camp, so after they are done with the peak they fall down a bit and need to "rest" before being up to par again. Actually if this is the case I will be happy with the feature, as it would be a bit more realistic. If its a bug, then (shakes fist at Cyanide).
Thanks guys for your answers. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-06-2009 16:43
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Wait, so having a huge temporary advantage in stats over the AI isn't enough, you also want it to be permanent? 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-06-2009 18:06
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Smartman, I'm not sure that I completely understand - so just to be sure:
Example:
Contador has 83 MO before a training camp. You send him to a training camp, and he gets 85. After a while, his stats decrease LOWER than 83 - that's what you're saying, right? |
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Posted on 28-06-2009 18:22
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I will be honest you should not be using train camps as most people class it as cheating my friend 
Serves you right sir |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 21:27
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CrueTrue wrote:
Smartman, I'm not sure that I completely understand - so just to be sure:
Example:
Contador has 83 MO before a training camp. You send him to a training camp, and he gets 85. After a while, his stats decrease LOWER than 83 - that's what you're saying, right?
Right, I had him at 84 before training camp, then after it he was 86, and then once the buff wore off he was down to 81. As with everyone who went to the training camp, they had a 3pt buff, which once wore off they went 3 pts below their original stat.
Ad wrote:
I will be honest you should not be using train camps as most people class it as cheating my friend
Serves you right sir
I actually only put them through the training camp so I wouldnt have to race the Tour of Romandie, I just didnt feel like it so I put the entire team on a training camp. Don't ask me why, I just felt like it i guess. But I agree it is kind of cheating...but then again so is making LA 20 yrs old : P
issoisso wrote:
Wait, so having a huge temporary advantage in stats over the AI isn't enough, you also want it to be permanent?
hah no not at all, if I did use the training camp for temp. advantage, I would not want it to be permanent. This career has just been one to screw around until there are some more DB's to choose from. It is the first real career I've done since the PCMdaily DB came out.
Okay I hope that clears my insanity up a bit. |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 28-06-2009 23:08
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He became an 86? the hellllll
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-06-2009 23:32
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t-baum wrote:
He became an 86? the hellllll
yeah I have had Boss and Cavendish get to 86 sprint naturally as well.
You can reach it, it just makes no difference
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| raptor-razor |
Posted on 29-06-2009 01:29
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I have had this problem occur in my games too. I'm not sure if this is the reason, but if you open up the .cdb file with the new editor that Eyolfur did, you can see a second page called "additional info" or something behind the main stats page for each rider. These are limits for each of the stats.
If you had selected evolution of custom team, these limits come into effect and even if you changed all the stats (i.e. flats, mountain) to 84, they will overtime drop back down to these limit numbers.
Not sure if anyone wants to try this out, but so far this is what I suspect to be the problem. Maybe if you select evolution = 0, then the limits won't come into play. |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 29-06-2009 05:11
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raptor-razor wrote:
I have had this problem occur in my games too. I'm not sure if this is the reason, but if you open up the .cdb file with the new editor that Eyolfur did, you can see a second page called "additional info" or something behind the main stats page for each rider. These are limits for each of the stats.
If you had selected evolution of custom team, these limits come into effect and even if you changed all the stats (i.e. flats, mountain) to 84, they will overtime drop back down to these limit numbers.
Not sure if anyone wants to try this out, but so far this is what I suspect to be the problem. Maybe if you select evolution = 0, then the limits won't come into play.
I dont think that has anything to do with it, I just played a season in a new career and avoided any training camps, and never had a problem with the stats lowering except of course for the older riders who decline naturally. So I am starting to believe that it is designed as a "low" after a peak in fitness (via training camp) |
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| squired |
Posted on 29-06-2009 06:50
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I can't believe that it is an intended effect. To have a rider lose 3 points on one of his stats, which may take a season to recover is ridiculous. If the reduction lasted a couple of months, maybe, but otherwise it doesn't make sense. The fact is that doing a training camp in real life wouldn't lead to your ability to decrease.
The drop post training camp destroyed my team on the game. I had a bunch of mediocre climbers and needed the camp to give them a chance in races. Twelve months on many of them are still not back to the level they were before the camp. |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 29-06-2009 07:15
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squired wrote:
I can't believe that it is an intended effect. To have a rider lose 3 points on one of his stats, which may take a season to recover is ridiculous. If the reduction lasted a couple of months, maybe, but otherwise it doesn't make sense. The fact is that doing a training camp in real life wouldn't lead to your ability to decrease.
The drop post training camp destroyed my team on the game. I had a bunch of mediocre climbers and needed the camp to give them a chance in races. Twelve months on many of them are still not back to the level they were before the camp.
Yeah my season with Astana could probably have been saved since I did have Astana, but I agree that it is rediculous to lose 3 pts. Does anyone have an official answer to this? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-06-2009 10:07
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I'm pretty sure it's a bug. The stats should go back to normal.
But as said, I saw it adressed on the Cyanide forum, so they may already be aware of it. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 29-06-2009 11:17
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squired wrote:
I can't believe that it is an intended effect. To have a rider lose 3 points on one of his stats, which may take a season to recover is ridiculous. If the reduction lasted a couple of months, maybe, but otherwise it doesn't make sense. The fact is that doing a training camp in real life wouldn't lead to your ability to decrease.
The drop post training camp destroyed my team on the game. I had a bunch of mediocre climbers and needed the camp to give them a chance in races. Twelve months on many of them are still not back to the level they were before the camp.
Doing a training camp in real life wouldn't make a rider like Moncutie win the Tour de France with a margin of 10 minutes  |
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