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| StefanG |
Posted on 14-05-2009 19:56
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Should a good climber (with decent flat rating and bad sprint rating) use Attack or Sprint as he approaches a sprint finish or final finish marker? In other words, is "Sprint" always the fastest way to cover 100 meters regardless of a cyclist's ratings? |
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| EBH |
Posted on 14-05-2009 20:16
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You should always try to avoid exhausting a rider, so if you are at the last km and have very little energy left you should try to proportion the energy so that it runs out right at the end. Sprinting will most likely exhaust your rider so it isn't always the best decision, the same goes for attacking. But if you have a lot of energy, sprinting would be fastest I think.
This is based on my experience with 06 and 07, but I think it should be right for 08 too.
Edited by EBH on 14-05-2009 20:20
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| StefanG |
Posted on 14-05-2009 20:20
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Regardless of energy management (I recognize the downfalls of exhausting a cyclist), my question is in regards to speed. Which option will get a cyclist to cover the last 100 - 150 meters the fastest (assuming there is enough yellow and red to get them to the marker without going to zero)? Or is there some dependency on a cyclists ratings as I indicated in my original posting of this thread? |
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| EBH |
Posted on 14-05-2009 20:23
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Sprinting would be fastest if you have enough energy. (I edited that in my last post btw)
EDIT: At least in 06 and 07 the sprint stat didn't matter that much in the mountain stages, not sure about 08. Acceleration (and mountain of course) should be more important.
Edited by EBH on 14-05-2009 20:26
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| StefanG |
Posted on 14-05-2009 20:26
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Can someone who has experience with PCM08 validate that sprinting is indeed always the fastest regardless of a cyclist's ratings? |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-05-2009 20:35
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if his sprint rating is really low I think that attacking will be better or even not doing anything could be better than sprinting.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 14-05-2009 20:40
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What I do is; when the percentage is below about 5-6 %, sprint. If it's higher, attack. but the difference isnt too big I think. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 14-05-2009 22:43
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I have riders which are slower when sprinting then when riding 99 on dot. So there is no general answer to your question. It depends on the rider, his energy and the street. But the most important thing is the energy, if a rider has no energy left, he will never win the stage. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 17-05-2009 01:34
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No scientific evidence to, just my opinion, but it seems to me that you are faster in sprint than attack. This holds true on an uphill sprint, a mountain top finish or a flat sprint. The strategy that you are missing out on is the advantage of following someone's wheel in the sprint. You will go faster, longer if you are able to draft for 1K or 2K before you open up your sprint. You will lose this advantage if you attack. |
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| ursul |
Posted on 17-05-2009 02:54
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Yes, but if the climber his very bad in sprint... I have do an attack instead pf a sprint in this situation, and, it paid, 5th, and the four member of the group after me are better in sprint then my climber. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-05-2009 10:17
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
No scientific evidence to, just my opinion, but it seems to me that you are faster in sprint than attack. This holds true on an uphill sprint, a mountain top finish or a flat sprint. The strategy that you are missing out on is the advantage of following someone's wheel in the sprint. You will go faster, longer if you are able to draft for 1K or 2K before you open up your sprint. You will lose this advantage if you attack.
There's more factors to it, though. In the DB, there's an attribute for stages called uphillsprint. This is Cyanide's explanation of it:
uphillsprint : Between 0 and 0,7. A 0,7 value will change the "Sprint" characteristic into "Hill" characteristic. Most of the time this attribute must be set to 0, but if you have a flat stage which arrive at the top of a little climb, set it to 0,7. |
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| StefanG |
Posted on 17-05-2009 17:13
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This is a little off topic, because now we're talking about sprinting uphill as opposed to a climber sprinting period, but still good to understand.
So CrueTrue, does this mean that if a finish (or intermediate sprint marker) is at the top of the hill (and DB is set to 0,7; then when "sprinting" to the finish, the rider's "hill" rating will be used to determine speed of cyclist as opposed to his "sprint" rating? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-05-2009 17:25
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It doesn't count for the intermediate sprint markers as these are not controlled by DB, but yes, for stages ending on a mountain / hill top where the DB is set to 0,7 in uphillsprint for that particular stage, it's the hill stat which counts.
Edit: Or, maybe just partly. My guess is that it's 70 % of the hill value, 30 % of the sprint value.
Edited by CrueTrue on 17-05-2009 17:34
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 20-10-2009 02:29
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in the game there is a sprint button you can click on that's on the left side with the riders names. Pretty sure it's an S or something anyway there should be a bar and when you sprint the bar will run out. For me that is always faster than attacking until the bar runs out. |
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