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Realistic Tour de France variant
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted on 24-03-2009 12:39
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Dear PCM Community,
NCL Rittenproject has had succes for a couple of months, but still, the biggest project wasn't completed succesfully. Everybody followed is own way, but we want to share our stages to the whole community.
We've worked motnhs on a new variant for the Tour de France. Our version is super realistic, which was the main goal. Everyboy who reached year 2 in PCM, know that the new Tour de France's have lots of very long, very tuff and unrealistic mountain stages. And there are way to many mountain stages, if you look at the reality. We've searched for the best combination of this, length, tuffness, how many, and we've found it. We didn't put lots of time trial kilometres, but also not every TT on flat ways. We've got a few transitional stages, maybe a bit too much, but that only makes it nicer in our opinion. Cavendish will have chances for the green jersey, if you handle it right. A guy like Simoni also has changes on top 5, if you guide him threw the TTT and let him win the mountain stages.
We've produced a map, of course:
Have fun with this Tour de France. On behalf of the last employees (Arjuin, Bilbo Baggins, KevinJ, L'assassino and OlegTinkov), but also from the other employees, who also created 1 or more stages (Arno, henk__l, Kevinho14, Thegmaster and Wesley!). Of course: I want to thank them for their commitment!
Here can you download it for a 2008 database.
Here can you download it for a 2009 database.
Edited by Bilbo Baggins on 24-03-2009 13:06
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 24-03-2009 12:45
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Good stuff - I'll look forward to trying these out.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-03-2009 12:49
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Same here. Really good stuff guys and I'll be throwing this into my career in season 1 (I'm tired the the 2008 Tour profile in season 1).
Just one thing: You say realism was your goal, but less than 40kms of total ITT in a Tour isn't exactly normal, is it? 
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted on 24-03-2009 13:04
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I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I saved a very important file on the wrong place. Also didn't put the newest stages in it... Both bugs are gone now, if you download it again.
issoisso wrote:
Same here. Really good stuff guys and I'll be throwing this into my career in season 1 (I'm tired the the 2008 Tour profile in season 1).
Just one thing: You say realism was your goal, but less than 40kms of total ITT in a Tour isn't exactly normal, is it?
Yes, maybe, but the long TTT compares it with real times (that wasn't there a few years ago). |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-03-2009 13:06
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Good idea, Bilbo. Will be looking forward to try it out. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-03-2009 13:09
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:
I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I saved a very important file on the wrong place. Also didn't put the newest stages in it... Both bugs are gone now, if you download it again.
Thanks for the quick response
Bilbo Baggins wrote:
Yes, maybe, but the long TTT compares it with real times (that wasn't there a few years ago).
Well...not really. It's a case of having a good team, not being a good time triallist. For example, Induráin and Rominger were the best time triallists around and still used to lose several minutes in each TTT.
Besides, look how many kms of flat ITTs there were in the past years when there were 60-70km TTTs
2005 - 74
2004 - 66
2003 - 103
2002 - 109
2001 - 69
2000 - 75
1999 - 120
1998 - 116
1997 - 126
hardly 33kms, eh?
Edited by issoisso on 24-03-2009 13:11
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted on 24-03-2009 13:14
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Yes, I know, it's not much. I really forgot to check that one, actually. Just thought: '63 plus 5 plus 33 should do the trick'. It isn't a Tour for time trial specialists, but you really need them in the long TTT. Like I said, the times are real over there, not the stupid differences which were set by the ASO. So you can really win a minute or loose 4. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-03-2009 13:17
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:
Yes, I know, it's not much. I really forgot to check that one, actually. Just thought: '63 plus 5 plus 33 should do the trick'. It isn't a Tour for time trial specialists, but you really need them in the long TTT. Like I said, the times are real over there, not the stupid differences which were set by the ASO. So you can really win a minute or loose 4.
Fair enough. I guess it's a different tour. For a great climber with a great team
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted on 24-03-2009 13:35
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Exactly.
PS: no, I'm not a Contador fan |
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| yoejo |
Posted on 25-03-2009 20:29
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yeah, the indurain and armstrong era had way more TT kilometers in the tour. around 100. today there´re like 60 or something. if they would use the same stretches as in the indurain era, cadel evans and vandevelde would have a great chance.
can u post all the stage profiles too? |
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted on 25-03-2009 20:53
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Doesn't have a picture of that, only global profiles, but they've changed a lot... Download this pack and check it in RSM Profiler - that's the fastest way  |
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| AaB-ern |
Posted on 25-03-2009 20:55
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Nice! I'll probably try to install it in my current career.
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| kaiser |
Posted on 28-04-2009 10:34
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I´ve tried to download the TDF-variant to compare it to the "real life" Vuelta it has replaced in the v3 og the pmcdailydb .....why is it when i open it in RSM-profiler that I can only see 19 and not 21 stages ..... isn´t there 21 ? |
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted on 28-04-2009 13:24
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Vuelta starts with .._01, TDF with .._00.
TDF uses every year the same last stage, so we only made .._00 until .._19, because .._20 is Champs-Elysees of Cyanide. |
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| kaiser |
Posted on 28-04-2009 20:03
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Ok, that answers my question.... thanks :-)
In the dailydb, has the stage names been altered .... example, does it say that stage 21 goes to champs elysee or has it been changed to Madrid? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-04-2009 20:09
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You decide the stage names yourself in STA_stage. |
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