Please make sure you have read and understand these rules. You will not be allowed to participate in the transfers otherwise. The thread is not the same as last year, and needs to be re-read by all.
You should constantly update your team transfer sheet with all transfer dealings, to help ensure you do not go over budget.
Transfers Forums
There are three Transfers forums:
[Man-Game] Transfers: Free Agents
For free agents, stagiares and sackings.
[Man-Game] Transfers: Deals
For the deal confirmation threads for Trades and Loans
[Man-Game] Transfers: Adverts
The forum for you to advertise riders you have for sale - either by having a thread for all of your team sales, or rider specific threads. This is also the only forum that can be used to discuss Transfers.
Types of Transfer
There are 6 types of transfers that you can be involved in:
- Free Agent bidding
- Stagiare bidding
- Trades between teams
- Loans
- Sackings
- CT free riders
Free Agent bidding
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With Free Agents, you are bidding on the wage you wish to pay the rider. It will therefore all come out of your salary cap.
There are limits on how many free agent bids you can make during a 'British' day. (Time offset of 0 in the PCM.daily Profile page)
1. You may not bid on more than 8 different riders
2. You may not make more than a total of 20 bids across all riders in a single day
Noting that for the first few days.
Sunday
25th August
20:00 BST
Start of first bid limit window
Monday
26th August
00:00 BST
Start of second bid limit window
Tuesday
27th August
00:00 BST
Start of third bid limit window
etc
Bidding Patterns: Minimum Increase
Each time you bid either for a free agent or in a transfer, you must increase the last offer by the following amount as a minimum:
€50,000 - €100,000
€5,000 increase
€100,000 - €300,000
€10,000 increase
€300,000 - €600,000
€20,000 increase
€600,000 - €1,000,000
€30,000 increase
€1,000,000 +
€50,000 increase
As an example, if the previous bid is 99,000, the minimum bid increase is 104,000. But if the previous bid is 100,000, then the minimum bid increase is 110,000.
1. For the last days of the transfer period (see transfer time line) it will be possible to buy up to 4 Stagiares for your team.
2. They must be riders born in 2001 or later, and have a minimum wage of just 10,000.
3. A stagiare has 15 race days, regardless of OVL, and will be able to be selected in teams from August onwards as also in all U23 events.
4. PCT stagiares will get to ride C2 races in any month of the year.
5. In terms of bidding process for Stagiares, there can be multiple bids, with the minimum increase of 5,000 - but once the price reaches 50,000 he becomes a full free agent transfer and not a stagiare.
6. They will count as half a rider in terms of the minimum rider count for CT (15) and PCT teams (20) - but you still can't have more than 30 (for PCT) or 20 (for CT) combined riders/stagiares. For PT teams, a stagiare will not count towards the minimum limit.
Negotiations will typically take place in either the Transfers: Adverts forum or by personal message. When a deal has been agreed between two teams, a [Deal] thread can be posted in the Deals forum.
1. The thread must contain "[Deal]" followed by the full name(s) of the rider(s) involved in the trade.
2. If this is a rider swap deal involving riders from both teams then either team can open the thread. For a rider sale deal, only the person who currently owns the rider may open the thread.
3. The content of [Deal] threads must be formatted as follows, please using the Table formatting:
Team A:
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Rider Out:
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Rider In:
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Money Out:
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Money In:
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Team B:
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Rider Out:
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Rider In:
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Money Out:
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Money In:
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Deal confirmed by Team A/B
4. The other team in the deal then needs to post the exact same thing, with their own confirmation line. You must send mangame-admin a personal message to show that you have read the rules.
5. A 24 hour countdown will begin once both teams have confirmed the trade.
6. It is not possible to withdraw from a deal, once it has been made.
7. During the 24 hour countdown, any team can still make a better offers for any of the riders involved.
8. If the rider's owner decides to accept a higher offer, then a new confirmation post must be made - containing the details of the new deal. If other riders become involved in a new deal, then a new thread must be made. Make sure to post a link to the new thread in the old thread to ensure the initial one is not mistakenly confirmed.
9. Both teams in the new deal must confirm the deal before the original 24 hours have expired, using the correct confirmation format.
10. Once 24 hours from the deal being confirmed by both sides passes, the deal is made permanent.
11. Riders transferred will receive no wage increase - the team the rider is transferred to will now pay the wage of the rider
12. A rider can only be involved in a maximum of 2 transfers. Once a rider leaves a team, he cannot return to the team. This also includes with loans. As previously noted, free agent signing can not be traded.
13. No rider can be traded for 0€. For riders of 100.000€ wage or less, minimum rider transfer fee is their wage!
For riders with more than 100.000€ wage, minimum transfer fee is 100.000€.
14. You cannot ask, agree, (or otherwise) for no further offers to be considered or accepted, during any part of trade negotiations. If it appears that you are not accepting the best offer for a rider, you may be asked to justify why.
15. If a deal is including a rider swap plus cash, (Rider A <> Rider B + Cash), then the team of Rider B is not able to get out of the deal after changing plans. This is a new rule, that might be important for some, while it barely took place at all, but will be forbidden starting now.
Negotiations will typically take place in either the Transfers: Adverts forum or by personal message. When a deal has been agreed between two teams, a [Loan Deal] thread can be posted in the Deals forum.
However, a [Loan Deal] thread may only contain 1 rider.
1. The thread can only be created by the owner of the rider. Same rules on thread title as with [Deal] threads.
2. The content of [Loan Deal] threads must be formatted as follows, please using the Table formatting:
Team A:
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Rider Out:
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Riders' Wage:
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Money Out:
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Money In:
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Wage paid by Team A:
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Team B:
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Rider In:
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Money Out:
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Money In:
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Wage paid by Team B:
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Loan Clause:
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Deal confirmed by Team A/B
Team A will always be the team owning the rider. Team B will always be the team loaning the rider.
3. Loans can only last for a year
4. A rider can only be loaned once. A rider cannot be loaned out by a team if they already have him on loan.
5. The salary of a rider being loaned can either by paid in full by one of the teams, or be split.
6. You are allowed to put certain clause on loans. e.g. Rider must ride at least 50 race days, must gain an XP level, must ride a GT etc The team that you are loaning the rider to must then follow the these terms.
7. Remember, that for a free agent that you have signed this transfer season, you may only loan them out if their XP level is less than 4.100.
8. You cannot ask, agree, (or otherwise) for no further offers to be considered or accepted, during any part of loan negotiations. If it appears that you are not accepting the best offer for a rider, you may be asked to justify why.
Loan Fees
Level 1 and 2 riders:
The loaning in team will never pay a transfer fee.
The loaning out team will pay a transfer fee that is at minimum the amount of salary cap that the loaning in team is using up. They can of course pay more.
Level 1 riders, with a clause to reach Level 3:
There is an extra fee for this clause to happen, in addition to the normal fee for Level 1 riders. The extra parts are the full wage of the rider, and an extra 100k fee.
i.e. Minimum fee to agree a 'Level 1 to Level 3' clause is: "Amount of wage paid by loaning in team" + "Full wage of rider" + 100k.
Note that without this clause, it will not be possible for a rider to develop from Level 1 to Level 3 as part of a loan. Level 1 riders born in 2003 are also not able to progress to Level 3, whether loaned out or not.
All other riders:
There are different kind of wage sharing for those kind of riders as seen in the examples below.
Examples:
If Team A pays the wage in full, Team B has a minimum transfer fee of the value of the wage
If the wage is being split 50/50, the transfer fee is up to the two teams involved (it can be nothing). There is no minimum transfer fee.
If Team A and Team B share the wage, but not 50/50, then the transfer fee must be minimum the difference between wages paid.
e.g. Team A pays 40k and Team B pays 10k, then Team B needs to pay minimum 30k fee to Team A. Loan Cap
All teams have a loan cap of 200,000. This is the amount of wage from riders you are 'linked' to which you are not paying. A few examples are:
Your team loans in a rider with a 50,000 wage and you are not paying any of that wage: 50,000 of your loan cap is used up.
Your team loans in a rider with a 50,000 wage and you are paying all of the wage: None of your loan cap is used up.
You loan out a rider with a 250,000 wage, and are still paying 100,000 of his wage: 150,000 of your loan cap is used up
Exemption: If you only use your loan cap on one rider, and this rider is a Level 1 rider, you may exceed the loan cap.
Example:
Let's say I buy Mads Kaggestad (who is Level 1) for 600k. The exemption allows Kaggestad to be loaned out to a team, so long as Kaggestad is the only rider that team uses its loan cap on. The loaned in team could pay a maximum 200k of Kaggestad' wage. So whatever happens I would have to pay at least 400k of Kaggestad' wage.
No [Deal] or [Loan Deal] thread may be posted during the first 48 hours of the transfer period.
If you have a rider who you do not want, and are unable to sell, you are able to sack them. The thread title must start with "[Sack]" followed by the name of the rider. The rider then becomes a free agent. and other teams can bid on the rider - but you cannot. When telling us to have understand all the rules, put your team`s full name in the title.
Fines
There is of course a fine involved with sacking a rider.
For the first rider that you sack, the fine is equal to that rider's wage.
For the second rider that you sack, the fine is equal to two times that rider's wage.
For the third rider that you sack, the fine is equal to three times that rider's wage. And so on.
Please note: You can not sack any riders in the final 48 hours of the transfer period.
CT free riders
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CT teams will sign two additional riders at no wage cost, when the main transfers window closes.
The squad requirements, of a minimum 15 riders, and a maximum 20 riders, do not include these two riders.
These riders will be assigned in a draft format. Teams have until the end of transfers to submit their prioritised list of preferred 'free riders'. This list can be as long as you like. The draft itself works in a serpentine way from A-Z, Z-A.
The draft order is listed below. It has been created as followed
- Random order of new CT teams
- Random order of existing CT teams
- Random order of teams who were relegated from PCT
- If another new CT team is yet to be added, it will get the spot onwards below the other new CT teams
This was introduced 2015 as an important change. It is automatically calculated in your transfer sheet.
This is a tax that will be applied to the income that teams receive through rider trades or loans.
A team's total income from transfers will be taxed at the following rates:
Less than 500,000: No tax
500,000 - 1,000,000: 10% tax
1,000,000+: 20% tax
Examples to show how this works:
Grupo Nutresa had an income of 85,000 last year. They would pay no tax.
Metinvest had an income of 500,000 last year. They would pay no tax.
Vesuvio had an income of 910,000 last year.
The first 500,000 is untaxed. The remaining 410,000 is taxed at 10%, so Vesuvio would pay a tax of 41,000.
Simply Red Bull had an income of 4,900,000 last year.
The first 500,000 is untaxed. The next 500,000 is taxed at 10%, which is a tax of 50,000. The remaining 3,900,000 is taxed at 20%, which is a tax of 780,000. Therefore Simply Red Bull would pay a total tax of 830,000.
Silent Bid
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Once the end of the transfers is reached, remaining bids on Free Agents will go into silent bid between those managers, that have had a valid bid within the last 48h period as also the manager of the leading bid with 48h to go.
All managers are sending their final, maximum offer to the Mangame-Admin. The manager with the highest maximum is winning the bid on that rider, the wage will be the minimum increase on top of the second highest bid.
The manager losing the silent bid, is allowed to make a new bid on any other Free Agent without a bid so far (before the CT Free Riders) to get up to the wanted number of riders.
If a loan was planned for that rider, a loan deal must be done directly within that silent bid! The loaning in and loaning out team therefore will be asked to confirm that loan.
As there is no chance to make any other updates afterwards, the transfer sheets from both managers should fit such loan deal!
General Rules
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1. You must end the transfer season without exceeding your salary cap (3.5 million for ProTour teams, 2.5 million for ProContinental teams, 1.2 million for Continental teams). If you are over, you will lose at least 1 of your best riders. The same applies to the overall budget and loan cap.
2. Bids cannot be withdrawn. If you bid on a rider and later regret it, then tough. For this reason, you are unable to edit posts or topics in the Transfers forum.
3. No comments are allowed in the Free Agents or Deals forum. Negotiations are allowed. Use the Advert discussion sub-forum to discuss any part of the transfers.
4. ProTour and ProContinental Teams must finish the transfers with a minimum of 20 riders and a maximum of 30 riders. For Continental teams this is a minimum of 15 and a maximum of 20. Riders loaned to another team do not count to this, while the representation of stagiares was described in the stagiares section above.
5. Tell us before you go away for a period greater than 48 hours. Bidding can be made on your behalf, to keep your targets available for when you return.
6. Your transfer activity is only valid if you include your full team name.
7. Once the sufficient time period has passed - 24 hours for Deals, 48 hours for Free Agents, then the deal is confirmed. If any aspect is invalid, then clearly this will not be the case. It is possible that invalidity will not be identified until after the time period - but this will not change that fact that it is invalid, and the deal/bid will be voided.
8. Suspicious activity or foul play is not allowed. You can and will be punished if you do such a thing. We reserve the right to disqualify bids from a manager on a certain rider, to prevent deliberately antagonising bids or other activity, whether for a Free Agent or Deal transfer.
9. You are not allowed to suggest that another manager should bid on, or look at, a certain rider in the first week of transfers. In the 2nd week of transfers, you can point out a rider only if they have not received any bids. In particular, you should not be sending PMs to other managers to try to get them to bid on riders that some of your rival teams are bidding on, in order to deliberately increase the price.
10. It`s no longer allowed to provide updated DBs mid transfers! All managers have the chance to go through the FA/deal threads themselves. A post transfer DB will be the first DB update. Make sure you have read the important rule for first hours of transfers and are aware of it. To show, include this rule into the text when writing the private message.
11. We also reserve the right to add new rules inside the transfers, if somebody is found manipulating the system doing something that 'technically' is allowed, due to not being in the rules initially.
12. Punishment for trying to get around the rules, cheating, being dishonest - be it try to advantage your team or disadvantage someone else - will be severe, and is likely to lead to your removal from this game.
Important rule for first hours of transfers
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As recent transfers have shown, too many new threads, lots of PMs and high activity in few seconds/minuntes, a new limitation of maximum threads per manager within a specific time period was considered.
To avoid such crash again, the limit for created threads per manager in the first 4 hours of the transfer season is set to 1 new thread every 20 min!
New managers can go for 2 new threads every 20 min!
With a 48h FA period, this shouldn`t hurt any manager a lot, but hopefully allows the site to recover, once the chaotic of the first minutes starts!
This rule does not change the maximum bids and number of threads limit in general. Just being an addition to slow things a bit in the early hours.
And as usual: No transfer talk before the transfer start!Edited by roturn on 30-08-2024 09:57
Thanks for posting this!
A couple of comments/complements:
- Stagiaire, rule 5: Maybe add something like: "In this case, a new Free Agent thread must be opened, and the link to the latter should be posted in the Stagiare thread."
- Stagiaire, rule 6: While it is stated that a stagiaire doesn't count towards the minimum rider limit for PT teams, is it correct that they don't count towards the maximum count, either? If they should count, just make it (PT, PCT) instead of just (PCT).
Deals, rule 15: First of all, thanks for including it! I'd extend it like this "[...] then the team of Rider B is not able to get out of the deal after changing plans - unless the team of Rider A decides to accept another offer for Rider A."
- Loans, lvl1->3 clause: The year should be adapted to 2003 now, as riders born in 2002 are 22y.o. and should be allowed to go 1->3.
A bit disappointed that the tax system wasn't changed, after several managers requested to tax only the net income (before training). But well, maybe that will be for next year then.
Fab, I feel like your third point is kinda obvious. No need to adjust that.
Tax can be discussed later but I don't personally have too much of an issue with it.
Good rule changes and additions though!
I think it's obvious for experienced managers, indeed. I just wanted to point out that Team A is still allowed to accept other offers, it's just Team B who can't include the rider in other deals. "Getting out of a deal" isn't actually allowed by the rules anyway, but in this case Team A can "get out of it" by taking on a more favourable offer.
And yeah, as experienced managers, we know that a deal is "voided" when another thread including the same rider opens, but for newbies it might not be that clear. Hence the clarification. It might not be needed, it was just a suggestion.
Some handy changes like the cash+rider rule. Clarifying some rules like when deals are void are still handy for non-vets. This season will involve more kinds of deals for me than last I assume and it is handy to see it written out again this year.
I agree with Fabianski that the tax should definitely only be taken on the net income. That would also prevent some of the triangle deals that some of the more sneaky managers do every year to save taxes.
A rider swap should not be more rewarding than selling a rider and investing in another from another team.
I hope the change will still be implemented.
Just from the wording of the rule itself, not the example, it basically can be both teams.
e.g. rider a is 600k wage.
Both teams pay 300k wage, both teams go above loan cap and can't have any other loan cap used.
Team in never pays a fee, team out still has to pay the fee as high as the wage paid by the other team, which is 300k in this example.
IF a 1-3 clause also is added, add another 600k+100k wage to it and you have a 1 Mio fee in total while also paying 300k wage.
Just a reminder: Please use your full team name as stated in the continuation thread. That's what the rules say, and it facilitates semi-automatic transfers processing a lot.
If the admins were applying this rule very strictly, I believe every single bid of a certain manager so far would have been invalid (including a couple of bids causing big frustrations lately).
Just a reminder: Please use your full team name as stated in the continuation thread. That's what the rules say, and it facilitates semi-automatic transfers processing a lot.
If the admins were applying this rule very strictly, I believe every single bid of a certain manager so far would have been invalid (including a couple of bids causing big frustrations lately).
All bids should be invalid without correct Team name. That's what has been the rule all along
Fabianski wrote:
Just a reminder: Please use your full team name as stated in the continuation thread. That's what the rules say, and it facilitates semi-automatic transfers processing a lot.
If the admins were applying this rule very strictly, I believe every single bid of a certain manager so far would have been invalid (including a couple of bids causing big frustrations lately).
All bids should be invalid without correct Team name. That's what has been the rule all along
Yeah, just my opinion but it's not applying the rule 'very strictly', just applying the rule. Especially when it's a returning manager.
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Fabianski wrote:
Just a reminder: Please use your full team name as stated in the continuation thread. That's what the rules say, and it facilitates semi-automatic transfers processing a lot.
If the admins were applying this rule very strictly, I believe every single bid of a certain manager so far would have been invalid (including a couple of bids causing big frustrations lately).
All bids should be invalid without correct Team name. That's what has been the rule all along
Yeah, just my opinion but it's not applying the rule 'very strictly', just applying the rule. Especially when it's a returning manager.
I had a FA bid invalidated for a spelling mistake after the original Deadline passed in my first season, so no excuse really.
To be fair, in this one case it's not only the manager's fault. The Transfer DB doesn't have the full team name, either, so it's "just" a matter of caps/lowercase letters. Other "minor" inconsistencies include spaces, hyphens or special chars (e.g. I have no clue how to write Žalgiris without C&P ^^).
The issue is just that all the different spellings of the same team have to be consolidated in the end, which actually is work that shouldn't need to be done.
Just a reminder: Please use your full team name as stated in the continuation thread. That's what the rules say, and it facilitates semi-automatic transfers processing a lot.
If the admins were applying this rule very strictly, I believe every single bid of a certain manager so far would have been invalid (including a couple of bids causing big frustrations lately).
In said managers defence, it's the same posting style he used last year and as far as i can tell, it was never raised as a problem (or at least it did not lead to their bids becoming invalid based on a quick check of the old threads).
If I were part of the MGUCI i'd allow posted bids to stand based on that precedent, followed by making clear what constitutes "full team name" and that such definition shall be enforced going forwards.
Absolutely with you. Voiding anything now would feel random. I apologize, shouldn't have mentioned that precise example anyway. Still a bit frustrated by an unnecessarily late overbid I guess ^^
My primary point was actually about the tooling, which obviously works better if there's no additional manual work needed.
Rules are rules, that's also something I agree on (and we all confirmed we read them), but I think as long as there's no obvious cheating involved, drastic measures aren't appropriate (as long as there hasn't been a warning, of course).