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PCT Roundtable Analysis 2021 p/b “The Conglomerate”
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Year 5 is a go! The Conglomerate are back with our PCT preview, for the 2021 MG season. This preview was created as a cooperation between AbhishekLFC, Croatia14, jandal and knockout.

This preview consists of four parts:

1. Review of 2021: Last season we posted a similar preview and we want to review some of our statements from last season for a fact check, as well as seeing how our final predictions stacked up against the real rankings.

2. Questions of the season: We discussed several important questions for the season in a Roundtable format where five of us gave our own point of view on certain topics. All questions discussed here are questions relating to the entire division. The number of questions have been reduced from previous editions of this preview though.

3. Terrain battles: Last year’s new section returns to once again feature the top riders in each terrain as a head-to-head-to-head-to-head-... battle to determine the food chain, so to say.

4. The squads in detail: This section consists of two parts:

4a: Grades per terrain: We all tried to rate the strength of each team on each terrain to give an overview about how strong we rate the teams on the terrains. We included points in a "hybrid terrain" category when the team has riders that are stronger on any hybrid terrains than in the specialized races.

4b: Team talking points: We spoke one or more random statements about each of the teams. Sometimes we connected the dots and made sense but mostly we went off on tangents with blabbering monologues.

5. The “expert” predictions: Every predictor tried to predict the final ranking table after we looked intensively at each team. These rankings are fully subjective. Also, we tried to come up with a ranking based on the grades of part four.

Enjoy!

Disclaimer: This time we split the timing of the preview into 3 parts. Today there will be general questions, team talking points will come tomorrow and the rankings the day after tomorrow, the ladder both at 6 PM daily time.
 
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Part 1a: Review of our 2020 Predictions

We start off by recalling some of our predictions for the 2020 season (including some quotes), mostly to let you know how seriously you should take us. FYI, we take this very seriously!

What did we predict for the PCT in 2020?

Prediction 1: We picked Buchmann, Wellens, Altur and Manninen as the best trainings for PCT teams last season. Eastman was mentioned but wasn’t an unanimous choice.
Fact: Manninen knocked it out of the park, scoring 1000+ points! Wellens did well to finish 10th. Buchmann and Altur were both in the 30s in the rankings.


Prediction 2: We picked Campari, Andorra and Kraftwerk as the non-promoted teams who looked to be in trouble. Valio’s name was also mentioned. Fablok and Podium Ambition were mentioned as contenders for possible back-to-back relegations!
Fact: Campari relegated without a fight. Andorra rode on Summerhill and the cobbles unit to a narrow survival. Unfortunately, both teams have since disbanded. So did Valio, but they too survived, mainly due to Manninen’s brilliance. Kraftwerk were superb in the Tour of America and nearly reached the promotion zone. Podium Ambition and Fablok, the latter another disband, finished in mid-table.


Prediction 3: We mentioned MOL as the most improved repeating team in the division. Bakkafrost were also mentioned.
Fact: MOL finished 6th and was promoted, but it was Xero (who nobody mentioned) who won the battle of non-relegated PCT teams! Bakkafrost finished 9th, which wasn’t bad but perhaps a couple of places lower than what we or they were expecting.


Prediction 4: We picked out Podium Ambition and Fablok as having the worst season among newly relegated teams in the PCT last season.
Fact: They finished 16th and 17th in the standings, respectively and mostly had a season of obscurity with some bright spots, mainly from Altur and Cataford for the former and Wellens for the latter.


Prediction 5: We once again picked out Gallopin to betray his stats and over-perform. Other names thrown into the hat were Ulissi, Adam Yates, Kittel, Areruya, Moazemi and Dunbar.
Fact: Yates was the best of the lot, but that was expected. He finished 15th in the standings. Gallopin couldn’t quite do as well as we predicted, ending just inside the Top 100. Ulissi, Kittel, Dunbar and Areruya finished in the 50s and 60s. Moazaemi wasn’t as good.
 
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Part 1b: Review of our 2020 Predicted Rankings:

Here we could write a long post explaining what we predicted, but a table says more than a thousand words. Let’s see how we stacked up against the final rankings:

Teamabcrjakoso
1Farfetch64235
2Repsol52324
3Mapei11111
4Desigual25872
5Xero1111111014
6MOL712769
7Popo4Ever38446
8Kraftwerk2120201921
9Bakkafrost10691612
10Duolingo41010148
11Polar87557
12Valio1521152218
13Lierse123683
14Minions1314191813
15Berg917121311
16Podium19914915
17Fablok1715181720
18Zalgiris1616161516
19Swisslion1413131110
20Andorra2626252526
21GCN2224232022
22Aramco1819212117
23Azteca2423242423
24Nordstrom2322222324
25Adastra2018171219
26Campari2525262625


ab = AbhishekLFC
ja = jandal
cr = Croatia
ko = knockout
so = statistical outcome
Edited by Croatia14 on 26-10-2021 19:56
 
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Part 2: General Season Questions


Which promoted team impresses you the most?

AbhishekLFC: All promoted teams have done well actually to strengthen but Carlsberg has taken the cake, with especially the signings of Guldhammer and Trentin. Sauber and Philips had some trouble bringing in the big leaders, but all other promoted teams have brought in at least a couple of leading riders to try to cement their place in the PCT. While all of them might not work out as the respective managers would’ve hoped for, one must commend the intent and the strategy that has gone into the team building aspects for those teams. The extra large FA pool did help, but it wasn’t easy for everyone, as I have mentioned already.

knockout: The thing that impresses me the most is the collective quality of the promoted teams. Every single one did a great job putting together some strong pieces to establish themselves in the new division. But I’ve got to agree with Abhishek that Carlsberg looks the strongest. They kept most of their strong depth from their CT team and added two strong leaders for the PCT level. I think they are now strong enough to finish in the single digit spots.

Croatia14: Looking at the team squad you gotta pick Carlsberg with two PT-worthy leaders and good depth. However, they also had a head start with a very good squad. I really like what Nemolito did with Los Pollos Hermanos, a clear focus on long-term leaders (Manninen & Zmorka) and short term safety (Spilak). Also let me mention Bralirwa for combining a PCT.worthy squad with strengthening the regional focus. Also I’m not sure if it was luck, opportunism or skill, but for signing Bobridge at that price you gotta recognize Project Africa. Tryg is my “winner” though, despite paying A LOT they got some huge leaders in Wellens and Skujins that should be a perfect base to build on for a promotion push to PT over the next two years beneath a very young core where apart from those two only three riders are not u25-points eligible (which is insane).

jandal: Easily easily Carlsberg if we’re talking who will finish highest this year - they’ve got a case for being the first back-to-back promoters since Repsol in 2018. I actually think they’ve all done a great job, yes a fair few will go down but that’s because even the teams down there look quite strong - I think (since we’re not doing this question this year) that the top possibly has gotten weaker but the lower and lower-mid table looks a lot better than it did in 2020. As Croatia said Tryg made two great acquisitions and if they are good enough to stay up their future looks very bright indeed with a young regional core. I think Philips have also done a job here.

Which teams are the relegation favourites?

knockout: I think the biggest difference to every other season is that there is hardly any team that is a lock for relegation. In basically every PCT preview I ever wrote, there were between one and three teams where it looked obvious that a team had close to xero chances at survival - teams that needed some sort of miracle to avoid relegation. Teams where all you are debating is whether they finish dead fuck**g last or potentially one or two spots above and where you are searching for positive things to say about the team. This season the thing is totally different - there are no teams where I'd feel confident to say that they will relegate and I can think of a realistic path to survival for every single team. On the other side, this puts more teams than ever in danger of dropping down to CT with a bad run of results at some point - including many teams I thought looked secure when I saw their transfer announcements during transfers. Two of the most at risk teams are Jura - Fiat and Indooosat OoooredoooO who both rely strongly on the scoring of their highest earning leader and I’m not entirely convinced that they are strong enough to carry enough of their team on their back.

Croatia14: This is a tough question. Generalizing the question I’d say that hill-dependent teams are in trouble, cause there is so much competition even for great leaders while the field in other terrains looks less stacked. However, it is incredibly tight, and both planning and depth might play a huge factor in this year. Kraftwerk f.e. might have the weakest leaders of the whole division, but their depth bails them out basically every year. It feels like no 2021 team would’ve relegated 2020. Going by my puncheur thesis, I think that Eurosport, Cedevita and Philips might be in trouble. I fear Carrefour, Binance and Jura-Fiat may have some trouble due to hill constraints, but I can see some surprise relegations and almost every team needs to watch its backs this year. Podium Ambition went for the risk of neglecting several terrains, and as much as I love their leaders with breakaways being a lot less of a thing and with sprinters (probably) not fixed they could become a danger too.

AbhishekLFC: Seeing your team's name among the relegation contenders isn't nice but I can't blame Croatia for putting us there. Think most of the teams have been covered barring Sauber, who I think will join us in the relegation battle this season. I wonder whether the Evonik curse will be real though ;).

jandal: I agree a lot with knockout and Croatia here when they speak to the increased competition at the bottom of the table - I’m writing these general ones along with doing my final rankings and after writing the teams questions and I’m surprised how many teams I liked are now in my relegation considerations. It’s going to be very sad seeing some very well-made teams go out. Aside from the names mentioned already since it’s so open I’ll with a heavy heart throw out the names of Bralirwa (who have a great likeable squad but lack a bit of oomph for me and will need their lesser names to step up or their leaders to go nuts) and even Los Pollos if their leaders don’t fire and, dare I say it… Red Bull. I doubt it but if their leaders bust then it’s possible. And yes I know, the curse, but really what are they going to do to my team this year - make me finish lower than last?

Which teams look locked on for promotion?

AbhishekLFC: Aker far and away are the team to beat and the team for whom non-promotion looks almost impossible. Personally I think cycleYorkshire are best set up to join them. Polar are the other team I’m betting on to join the above duo in the PT next season. Popo4Ever and Assa Abloy should once again be in the conversation for promotion, but they might once again be just short!

knockout: Aker definitely looks like a promotion lock to me. If they did not make any huge planning mistakes due to misreading profiles or stuff like that, it seems inevitable that they return to the PT. I don’t think any other team really deserves the term “promotion lock” but some of the former PT teams like Polar, UBS or cycleYorkshire might have the best chances to return.

Croatia14: PCT classically does not entertain as many promotion or “position” locks as other promotions, and this year it’s even closer. Aker is of course the obvious choice, but it’s less about team strength but more about smart planning and calendar exploitation. Popo4ever should have the lowest floor of almost all teams, but can they finally get their planning together (and is promoting even the first priority?). If they do, they should be a 2nd lock. I like Assa Abloy as well and they have shown great planning skills before, but their floor is pretty low as apart from Monsalve almost every rider could fail. knockout’s mentioned teams surely are high floor teams due to their depth, but do they have the leaders to go into promotion squads? I go for Red Bull Zalgiris, as they showed great planning skills and have an anticyclic team with Halvorsen on Manninen-potential. Carlsberg also has the squad to be a promotion favourite, but they need to do well with Guldhammer to achieve and bbl has to prove his skill as a manager to go there.

jandal: Aker, Polar, and cycleYorkshire (in no particular order), before I go more in-depth for the final rankings, jump out as my title contenders and therefore my top 5 locks, but as Croatia said more than even is normal for PCT you just don’t know. Not sure I share the absolute certainty about Aker this year you guys do (I mean I love them as much as you guys but I’m not putting anyone as 100%) - though last year I was a coward and didn’t name my favourite RES-based team in Farfetch as my title winners despite how much i wanted to - and look what happened then...

Who had the best transfer window?

Croatia14: The easy answer would be Carlsberg as probably the strongest promoted team. But at the same time their leaders are 32, so I go for a team that did very well building a base for the future. Wellens and Skujins are awesome to build on if you can avoid relegation. Cedevita brought in awesome talents, Project Africa possibly got the biggest bargain in Bobridge. My choice goes with Red Bull Zalgiris forever. They sold their old riders well, ensured good leaders and signed great young guns like Leknessund and Halvorsen for really cheap. That was a considerable effort well done.

knockout: If Tryg avoids relegation this season, they will be the clear answer in hindsight as obvious promotion favourites for the 2022 season and with a good shot at avoiding relegation from PT in 2023. Otherwise, Carlsberg has to be an obvious answer. And while the transfer window might look a bit straightforward and easy for them due to how strong they were, I would include Aker too. They used their relegation to build around a good age structure where Stake Laengen and Pruus will be the only declining riders post-promotion, got a great fee for Taaramae despite their obvious need to sell and used the cash to make a couple of very smart minor signings such as Lammertink or certain riders who were previously contracted to Grieg. That’s a good way to set yourself up for post-promotion success in PT.

AbhishekLFC: Carlsberg for me with Tryg being the conditional second. I like what Los Pollos did as well with leaders (barring Maksimov) but a lot of their success depends on the game I think, which is unfortunate.

jandal: I don’t have a lot to add to what you guys named given I agree with all the teams there - I also would name Philips as even if they struggle this year they’ve built a squad to stay up whilst having eight of their top ten OVL riders being new additions. I also really like the subtle changes cycleYorkshire made for both the short and long term in the form of Carthy, Fraile and Oliveira.

What impact will the structural changes have for PCT teams (increased C1 race days for CT, changed pcm version, etc)?


knockout: I think the biggest difference to last season will be by far the change to a new game version. PCM18 had some big quirks that could be replaced by new ones. As the ultimate expert on this topic - having never played either game - the biggest effect I’m expecting to see is that there will be less successful breakaways in stage races. PCM18 was quite extreme in the number of breaks that made it all the way so a regression to a more “normal” level might be due. Which effects could this have on riders' scoring? First of all, the top climbers would have more shots at stage points in addition to GC points - raising their value a bit - while the third tier stage racers might see their value diminish a bit. Also it might lessen the importance of the bottom 5-10 riders in the squad a bit. These are often the guys that enter early breakaways and with those not as valuable anymore, teams that have added a few low level talents might lose less compared to the top to bottom strong teams.

Croatia14: Yeah the new game will first and foremost help the Zubeldia-types and hurt the Rolland-type of riders (sadly). Going with attacking riders to a race is not an appealing option anymore, but more likely a low-pointer than before. That will benefit the teams with leader depth, so they can field competitive ones on every race. Of course you can choose your races in PCT pretty freely, but that’s still an issue. Then of course only few riders in PCT can do well at PT level, and these are the top TT- & sprint guys due to randomness in results. While I like the top PCT climbers, only Pluchkin should be top of the class in PTHC, so it’s a good advantage for the in-between riders to pick their races there. Climbers have an easier schedule there, so it’s worth a risk if you have two good climbers. At cobbles and hills it’s the top class only that it’s worth to plan for.
More interesting are the C2 race days. They ensure that it’s quite valuable to have a good C2 leader, especially as neglecting this and hoping for breakaways is not an option anymore. In a tight year signing a very good C2 rider can be the difference in a promotion/relegation fight.

AbhishekLFC: If this was last season, the CT teams might have had a bigger impact with increased RDs in the PCT. What we might see are fuller startlists, which should help the racing somewhat. PCT teams going to more C2 races generally impacts the cobbles more than other areas, which should continue. Barring a couple of riders, like Boswell and Eiking for example, there isn't anyone who can compete at the top of the PCT standings. Even those two will have their work cut out with the strength of the puncher field.

jandal: Calmejane is going to steal a lot of points because he’s awesome. Otherwise just going to not add to what these guys said since I’ve got the privilege of writing this preview with someone who’s actually played the game, someone who helped design the calendar, and someone who is much better than me at remembering what he’s heard from the other two.
 
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Part 3: Terrain Battles – Top 5 Head to Head


Mountains

Pluchkin vs Alarcon vs Wellens vs Quintana vs Rest


knockout: As much as that answer might bore some of the reader for being a repetition of the last years but it’s gotta be Pluchkin for one more season. He is still the strongest and has good enough support. However, he is no longer untouchable at the top. Lots of rivals will smell his blood/decline and are ready to jump at any moment of weakness. Riders such as Guldhammer or Monsalve can be strong challengers for everyone else. Wellens and Oomen are riders that could challenge for the top if they wouldn’t have played a game of chicken about signing climbing domestiques - and both “won” it.

jandal: Yeah it’s Pluch - one of the biggest challenges could even come from inside his own team with Padun ridiculously still eligible for U25 points. Not really, but just thought he’d be worth mentioning and that was an easy transition. I think knockout hits all the points right, the gap has (obviously) decreased again and now as he says it’s to the point where off days for the Moldovan or even super days for others could see him losing races - but I doubt it will happen too much.

Croatia14: It’s definitely Pluchkin, in combination with Padun even more. This duo also kinda breaks our scale as it should be awarded 11/10 points in the mountains. Individually it’s closer though, but as PCT is pretty weak in terms of climbing (compared to hills f.e.) it is quite insane. I don’t think Quintana and Alarcon will be great success stories, but more “just fine”, while I like Wellens in tours. Watch out for Guldhammer though, he’s one of the rare climbers with a huge punch, so I expect him to do very well and fight (with Wellens and Monsalve) for 2nd best climber of the division. Other names to follow are Novak and Arndt as well as the punchy climbers Kwiatkowski & Beltran and stage racer Keizer.

AbhishekLFC: Pluchkin if he's planned for PCT races, otherwise it's an open race with Wellens and Guldhammer probably the leading duo. Keizer should be the best in TT heavy races.

Hills

Kinoshita vs Bobridge vs Skuijns vs Hagen vs Rest

jandal Wow, what a field we’ve got here! Skujins and Kinoshita look ridiculously similar - Kinoshita with a +3HI +2MO and +1ACC advantage, but the exact same energy stats and SPR. Skujins then has quite a significantly better support cast thanks to Hoelgaard (who can cover his MO weakness) and Smirnovs (though it’s still not brilliant, Bobridge probably with the best thanks to Gebrezgabihier, Ssabagwanya and Seibeb). Bobridge also has a significantly higher ITT (and also the best ACC), and Hagen the faster finish. Behind them, Kelderman isn’t the best in any stat but does it all pretty well, Ponzi has weak backups but easily the strongest sprint if they don’t shake him off before the final km!

In the end give the edge to PCT legend Kinoshita over the PT stars in a one-day race, with Bobridge the next best scorer or perhaps even beating him. Then obviously Kwiatek and Beltran provide strong threats when MO has more of an influence, and Izagirre (along with Bobridge) in the stage races with an ITT.

Croatia14: Probably the toughest battle. The hills may be better in PCT than in PT even this year, which might be a very interesting scenario for PTHC. Not mentioning Ponzi, Beltran, Kwiatkowski and van Garderen in such a list shows the ridiculous strength of the puncheurs.

In terms of “who is the best'' you can count out Skujins, as Kinoshita is a slightly better version. In a Fleche-Wallonne type of race he might be the best. Bobridge has the better punch and TT but lacks the energy stats, which might be less important though. The calendar opportunities in PCT should really be beneficial for him, though surely Project: Africa didn’t plan for him in advance. Kelderman, van Garderen and McCarthy probably suffer from the one thing that makes them better than the opposition at some point. I still like Ponzi a lot and think that he might be the most successful, with great support and the sprint stat that might be of great use, if he can overcome his res-issues. Probably it’s not the year of Izagirre (Bobridge is a better version of him), Kwiatkowski or Beltran (they’ll take too many points away from each other). Anything is possible really, and a lot of puncheurs will score less than what their team probably planned for them.

AbhishekLFC: On a personal note, the last time we were in the PCT, Kelderman was billed to be one of the top punchers in the division but struggled big-time. He just about makes the Top 10 this time (barely), so it’s not looking great for us in that respect!

Having said all this, I think the hill classics battle will be mainly between Kinoshita and Hagen while I expect Bobridge to have better luck in the stage races. Skuijns should be a regular podium contender for the former, with maybe a win or two thrown in, while he should be a regular Top 5 contender in the stage races, the less TT kilometers the better.

knockout: It’s hard to see a winner in the hills division as at least five puncheurs who could have been a dominant rider in other seasons. Ranking wise, I see Kinoshita, Bobridge and Kwiatkowski as the most likely top scorers - with each of them being the best rider in their niche. But riders like Skujins, Izagirre and Beltran are very similar riders to them with just a tiny difference in quality. And riders such as Kelderman or Ponzi are always a threat to win any race too. With so many strong contenders, it’s hard to see whether one of them can cross the 1000 points this season since they will share the wins and podium finishes around so much.

Time-Trials

Zmorka vs Durbridge vs Keizer vs Rest


jandal I mean Zmorka has to be the clear favourite when it’s just down to ITTs - he’s a full statpoint clear of Turbo Durbo with better FL-RES combo to survive the road stages, and two clear of anyone else. However Durbridge does have easily the classier TTT line-up of the two, so if he pipped him on overall points through that I wouldn’t be completely shocked. Keizer I think will focus more on mountainous stage races as is his forte, and despite getting weaker compared to many climbers he’s still probably got a better chance in those races than risking drowning in the sea of 79/80 TT riders. Brandle and Fraile as always provide unique (or nearly unique I should say :P) skillsets and given their increased RDs over Keizer can have more variety in their schedule. Of the “rest” I probably rate Cataford and Mullen the highest with their skills on road stages - Oliveira and even Viviani could have been at the same level as them individually but they’re stuck behind Durbridge, however therefore the same TTT bonus applies to them. But then again, Oliveira should end up the highest of that quartet thanks to his U25 scoring. So possibly #1 Zmorka, #2 Durbridge, #3 Oliveira.

Croatia14: Keizer is a juicy rider and did incredibly well in PCT in the past, so I naturally would put him #1. But would you consider him a Time Trialist first? Zmorka comes with a huge paycheck and good support in the TTT, and his team surely planned everything they can for him. That should make for some great opportunities, and he’s clearly the best TT guy. CycleYorkshire has the best TTT team which might give Durbridge a huge boost, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Fraile ends up being their best scoring TT guy and ends up high in the rankings. If you wanna call him a TT guy, don’t sleep on Eddy Dunbar either. He came with a huge pay-check as well, takes home u25 points and will target any TT stage race for sure.

AbhishekLFC: The PCT TT line-up isn’t the strongest this time, so Zmorka should really run away with the crown, at least in pure TT races and TT stages. Durbridge is a good leader for the TTT, with a better support cast, as Jandal already mentioned. Think I agree with Croatia’s assessment of Fraile, a rider I rate very highly in general, and for this season’s PCT in particular. Keizer should be similar, and between himself and Brandle will hold the key to their team’s season. One can imagine Brandle as definitely Fraile light, and with good planning should do well himself.

knockout: Sorting the PCT division by MO and TT, it seems obvious to me that Keizer should be planned far closer to a pure TTer than to a pure climber. If you could maximize his planning, he could get dangerously close to Zmorkas scoring but I have major doubts that his schedule does him any good (see my take on Zalgiris later). Because of that, I cannot pick anyone other than Zmorka.

Sprints

Ewan vs Van Staeyen vs Kennaugh vs Howard vs Manninen vs Rest


knockout: Caleb Ewan. I’ve been a fan of his for quite some time and if he wasn't stuck in a mediocre team without ambition, he should have had one of the most impressive list of victories in the entire cycling world by now. Behind him, Kennaugh and Van Stayen look like the strongest sprinters - depending on how the route to the finish looks. But one thing should be sure: We won’t have a completely dominant sprinter any time soon.

jandal I can’t look past Ewan much like knockout, he simply has the best sprint stats and leadout, they all have similar FL stats, and he has solid backups as well as his 70+ HI and COB. Van Staeyen obviously has the HI advantage but I don’t think any of his main rivals in a sprint except maybe Ewan will follow him to those races. Looking below the top guys to rouleur-sprinters who could upset them, my best picks are Van Asbroeck, Asbjorn Kragh Andersen, Lander or Bonifazio, but it all depends how PCM treats you at the end of the day. Also lest we forget Matti Manninen who came 4th (!) in the standings last year!

Croatia14: Having done a lot of testing on sprints with PCM20, it depends a lot on how reporting will be handled. If we can cut out the AI issues then Ewan should be the best. But it also depends a lot on how they set up their sprint train. Right now I don’t see a fitting idea: They’d probably have to use Altur (which I wouldn’t want) or Bridges (better idea) as 3rd man and then a guy like Edmondson as 2nd one to have a proper kick for Ewan. But if they just sent loads of sprinters for him that may backfire massively with the confusing AI. Binance looks more healthy for Kennough with (f.e.) Kennett and Noppe, but I’m not fully convinced by their flat squad either.

Instead I’d imagine somebody from the 2nd row (Manninen again?) to hit the nail in the coffin by setting himself up perfectly. Who might that be? Statwise I love Silvestre with his flat, useful time trial/prologue and good ACC and think he could be perfect surfing trains and kicking from there, but I’d also mention Halvorsen who still receives them juicy u25-points without competition. Also I sadly don’t really trust Van Stayen with his Acceleration in this setup, and fear he might be over the cliff of scoring well in hilly races with the low acc. Very curious to see how Theo Reinhardt does, after his amazing CT season I expect him to be either really fun or disgracefully clapped.

AbhishekLFC: Think I will go against the grain and say Kennaugh or Howard will actually be the more effective sprinter this season. Manninen was unbelievable last season, but it might be a stretch to repeat it (despite me rooting for him surely). Ewan needs to break the hoodoo, and the hope for him is the change to PCM 20 which may change his fortunes as well. He should be the best, but hasn’t been yet. He has the flat squad to make that right though.

Northern Classics

Spengler vs Blythe vs Altur vs Zepuntke vs Stallaert vs Trentin


knockout: I look forward to the PCT cobbles as the lack of a dominant favorite should make for exciting racing. I see the trio of Blythe, Trentin and Stallaert as the riders to beat. In part due to better team depth on the cobbles, I see Blythe as the most likely winner of flat cobbled races but he is less versatile than most of the other top guys so it’s unlikely that he will be the top scorer amongst these.

jandal: I am also really interested to watch the classics this year, makes me wish I was still reporting as now I’m out of the PCT I could start doing them again like I used to! I don’t know if Spengler is good or not, I know Zepuntke isn’t, so it comes down to the other four for me. I agree Blythe should have the best chances in a flat race - however he also needs to drop both of Stallaert and (to a lesser extent) Trentin and with worse HI and ACC than both and less FL than Stallaert that’s no easy task, it will take some sustained pressure. Trentin has the best HI of anybody with over 74HI except for Philips’ David and his own Carlsberg teammate Sinkeldam as well as a quick finish which makes him look like a real danger. I have to say I think it’ll be Stallaert as the top scorer here.

Croatia14: Good points on the cobbles. I like Blythe, but I think his favourite role won’t really help him and he’ll have to do more work which won’t benefit him. At the end it might often come down to a sprint of the 5-12 strongest riders. If that’s an energy sprint it’s anybody's game, but if it’s a normal sprint I rate Stallaert and Trentin higher. That’s why I’d give Stallaert the slight edge over the opposition, but it’s between those three. I think acceleration and mountain might matter more on the hilly cobbles than the hill stat itself, so there probably might not be too many differences between the big guns if they have reasonable mountain qualities. The differences will be made in the final kick, hence I go Stallaert > Trentin > Blythe > others.

AbhishekLFC: I really like Trentin despite probably Blythe and Stallaert being the better pure cobbles riders. Those three should be at the top of the pile. Altur would be my pick to be next but he needs to be even better for the sake of his team.
 
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Part 4: Individual Team Previews

Aker - MOT


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Michal Kwiatkowski72788170747675686775736975x31
Fredrik Strand Galta69817373787977526366667071x29
Takeaki Amezawa68777764767880606875726960x26
Hampus Anderberg78646976777677786073706276x25
Steven Lammertink74646980707670656368746879x28
Vegard Stake Laengen70767376767575606267717577x32
Andreas Vangstad74727077747574606568747476x29
Tobias Foss69767174767877666069686670424
Amund Grondahl72647065757275767570666566x27
Lasse Norman Hansen77596577747370567380726779x29
Mateo Frankovic74627164717870677476667166x27
Davide Ballerini73647157737172717480747257x27
Edison Bravo70707664747370556570717166x29
David Wohrer66757464687272566673757063x31
Yuan Tan Peng75596472747373756973636772x28
Airidas Videika74636566686772737479516568x27
Jesse Kaislavuo73657059737373736772767059x28
Peter Pruus72727273717372646973687673x32
Geoffroy Ngandamba72596973737067747071726671x32
Marildo Yzeiraj77626660747465656271857266x27


Talking Points

knockout: Aker looks like an early favourite for the title and should be a lock for the promotion spots. With the strong division on the hills, Kwiatkowski should be one of the less impacted puncheurs and is a scoring guarantee. Galta and Amezawa add further fire power in climbing races so that the team should have good scoring potential in basically every uphill race. Anderberg is not proven yet as a maxed leader but will be an excellent points per wage value - particularly with a few perfect races like Arenberg on his schedule. And the TTT team is also fairly decent. There is no way that the team isn't promoting.

jandal: There’s a lot to love about Aker - and I’m almost exclusively talking about their RES stats, wow oh wow! One of a few teams this year where not a roster spot is wasted in terms of contributing this season - this is a squad made almost entirely to get them back where they belong in the top echelon of cycling and they make a pretty good case for doing so. I don’t think I can sum up Kwiatkowski better than knockout did - he’s a guarantee, we know what he is about and he’ll do it. Galta is one of the less flashy climbers (though who can forget his glorious 2019 Tour de France?) but his solid time trial ability and backups should see GC consistency for him. Amezawa is a rider I forgot existed completely until I opened the DB to do my first impressions, but now I’m in love and will be bidding for him every year until he declines - he’s a very similar but better version of last season’s Areruya (but not U25) and if he gets his own calendar and some luck could be a very valuable top 60 scorer or better. Anderberg will surprise people in regular cobbles races I think and after that has his Spartacus-lite skill set for De Panne and Arenberg. Then there’s great mountain help and GC depth, a very solid TTT unit, some very sexy domestiques/hybrid/breakaway scorers and Lasse Norman Hansen! Maybe I’d like another leader here but overall it’s a very good quality team!

Croatia14: To add to Mr.jandals comment: Would you please f*** off Mr. Videika, you’re disturbing the beautiful picture. The team looks incredibly good, the sure favourite to win it all. Ember of course is very experienced and knows how to work a team of quality. I don’t like Galta but he’s solid. I don’t think Kwiatek will score as much as stats suggest but he will do good. And still they should win it all, with riders like Amezawa, Anderberg (I don’t think his TT is of great use but I love the flat+hill+acc+res on a cobbler), Lammertink and Hansen in the second row the team can’t really lose it, or can they? They’re definitely the hunted.

AbhishekLFC: For me, it is clear that there is Aker, and then there is the rest in PCT. Galta is a strong leader for the mountains with great support to back him up. Kwaitkowski is probably the strongest punchy stage racer in the division and should bring in bucket loads of points. His support isn’t great but he does not really need it. The TTT team is great too, with a strong Lammertink leading the line, and me regretting a little not going for him now. Anderberg should outdo his 78 cob stat with those impressive energy stats. They don’t have a sprinter, but don’t really need it. A surefire title winner for me, and it’s time to already plan for PT next season I think.

Aker - MOTMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC780588
Croatia14770677
jandal7770579
knockout871479


Assa Abloy


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Yonathan Monsalve68817672798077566573696572x32
Marcus Faglum71797373787576566068667479x27
Vegard Breen77627068727271787372746668x31
Jacopo Guarnieri74566450747378628078666073x34
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Jan-Andre Freuler69727568737572596775677569x29
Mario Gonzalez Salas70576080747667606154786180x29
Jacopo Mosca71727563737568606575807168x28
Isaac Bolivar73616669747069776469687569x30
Tony Gallopin74707374777672656971796973x33
Thomas Bonnin65777263716869515473767963x32
Torkil Veyhe80666865667169515678807169x27
Arthur Vichot69647564766767596579817264x33
Leopold Konig69767271707167645762685871x34
Alexander Konychev77606559747463627371736070323
Nickolas Zukowsky65626867686767606969746568123


Talking Points

jandal: Assa Abloy have established themselves as solid promotion contenders, building around a hilarious habit of releasing and then re-signing a declining Jacopo Guarirneinieri, who has consistently overperformed his stats and in fact improved after his 2019-20 decline. However it would be truly insane to think he could match that feat, and although still a good option, especially in terms of points-to-wage, it seems that their best-case scenario might be that the new talent only covers his dropped scoring, rather than gives them the final touch for promotion. Faglum Karlsson will shoulder most of it on his own, a very good addition who complements Monsalve very nicely, but could diminish the scoring of their admittedly impressive supporting cast of climbers. After that there is Robbie Squire, who looks like he adds not much scoring value that Scarponi didn’t bring already (to the point he finished just 5 points behind the Sanmarinese last year), especially with a second stage race leader now present. However, those two and Konig do make for excellent mountain support. Perhaps Squire is here to be a hill leader which could be a savvy move. Lionel Coutinho and Elie Gesbert (the more traditional hills leader) are the other noted additions, the former is a below average sprinter but could grab some points by attending races like Andorra with 1 flat stage which don’t attract guys over 80. The latter has eye-catching energy stats but lacks the punch or actual hill skills to be anything more than the best of their impressive depth scorers. Maybe they can improve on last year - certainly guys like van der Haar and Gallopin have a big season in them with some luck.

knockout: This is another year where Assa Abloy is in the challenger role as a top ten team that might be good enough to promote. I like the Faglum Karlsson signing a lot as he adds a second strong stage race option - his prologue stat and the better hill stat of Monsalve gives the team some slight differences between their two options to make planning easier. The team also added decent 2nd tier leaders in Gonzalez Salah or Coutinho but they shouldn’t be able to fully replace the decline / previous overperformance by Guarnieri enough.

Croatia14: jandal broke down the team pretty neatly. I just love how Assa Abloy sets the team up year by year, and would consider SykkelFreak as one of the top tier managers in the game. His team is a classical upside team. Breen & Faglum (Damn boy, he expensive!) don’t need much support, Monsalve got enough and in other races the support can hunt results itself, the sprinters only need to surf trains, Gallopin and Veyhe are just lovely. Gonzalez irritates me a little as he doesn’t properly fit the team, but he probably just serves the mandatory TT races. To me the team has everything, and promotion would be the logical next step for the squad.

AbhishekLFC: Was the Guarneri resigning really necessary though? Pfft Everyone pretty much has covered their strong points. Breen once again should overperform his stats. Monsalve should have a better season with less competition than last time. They will be near the promotion spots for sure, but I'm not certain of a top 5.

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AbhishekLFC825544
Croatia14925653
jandal7725546
knockout834454


Binance Cycling


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Peter Kennaugh77586563747180588281706363x32
Pedro Miguel Paulinho67758064707274566875706264x31
Andrea Guardini72556459746971608082746059x32
Joao Rodrigues65787374737577556172706874x27
Jose Fernandes71757077787776536267606877x26
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Dylan Kennett75586569737678627978676878x27
Davide Gabburo75687664737568557276796563x28
Robert Bush74636362757371787173667462x31
Rafael Valls67777370757473546069676470x34
David Bartl69777271737475526070716675x30
Rafael Silva68657566757056637479666461x31
Clement Venturini75636865747479727577637369x28
Joao Almeida68766869737574536370667169323
Amaro Antunes67767263716970556067747263x31
Luis Afonso68667758757370525770707158x31
Miguel Angel Benito68757073727173515661676273x28
Christophe Noppe75616962747368737573666863x27
Polychronis Tzortzakis70616375746970557574626076x32
Georgios Stavrakakis72616771706764726467696173323
Joel Yates69637368737269636166706868325


Talking Points

jandal: Possibly the most impressive stage race support cast have been assembled to support the PCT’s 4th-worst stage race leader - I think they’d seriously be better off not having Henao at all and freeing Rodrigues, Valls and Bartl to act as a trident hunting depth points, and then Fernandes to be able to try and ape Fraile and Brandle’s success in their niche. Certainly if they used his wage elsewhere it would be good - 175,000 is a decent job in renewals, but is also the price of a much better rider - and if you used that and Guardini’s 180,000 to sign a new leader you could do quite a lot of damage. To be fair to Guardini he actually wasn’t that bad last year so maybe I’m still judging him too harshly based on his awful Fablok days. But the message is clear - this is a very handy squad with a couple of missteps for me which could stop them making the leap out of the mid-table into clear promotion candidates. However with the arrival of Kennaugh who has a very very good train in support we could see an improvement on Ben Swift’s scoring last season, while Bush is a handy addition and the mountain unit should still score depth points. So should be an improvement on last year all the same.

knockout: I hope that the change of PCM version fixes the issue of leadout trains and Binance would be one of the teams that would benefit a lot from it as Venturini/Noppe - Kennett - Kennaugh looks like one of the strongest leadout trains the division has to offer. How much that will help Kennaugh to repeat his strong 2020 season will play a large part in deciding the fate of the team. Paulinho and the group of stage racers will also contribute a lot of scoring though the team would have been smart to upgrade on Henao even if that might have cost them one or two depth pieces. But even with Henao at the front of their stage racers, the team looks destined for a mid table finish.

Croatia14: Don’t get your hopes up, they don’t. Still, as said in the sprinters battle, of all the teams they are probably still set the best. Kennaugh has a stellar stat combination, and Guardini in complementary races would be fantastic either, as he can surf trains and then use his punch. A lot depends on how the sprint train is going, as I’m not overly convinced in the other pieces. Bush is a solid cobbler worth his money, and tended to overperform in the past. Paulinho usually is a cool rider and will do well, but with Beltran and Kwiatkowski he has two guys doing his stuff just better, and on the pure hills he lacks the main stat + flat/sprint to be outstanding. He’ll probably underwhelm, also due to the weak support. I like the mountain train and the stage racing outlook with the portuguese double header, if it only wasn’t for Henao. Hopefully the Colombian doesn’t block his mates. Gabburo is a great attacking option, whose skillset the game used to love.

For me the team does depend a lot more on good planning than other teams. If they set up sprint trains and climbers/stage racers selection carelessly, then the team could even end up in the bottom 5. But with good planning the team can easily be a mid-table team, if they can get Kennaugh to go bunkers then maybe even more.

AbhishekLFC: It does not bode well for a team to have sprints as their best terrain, given what we see every season, but I must reiterate that Kennaugh keeps doing well and Guardini should cover the gaps that the former has on the calendar. The problem with both Henao and Paulinho is that they’ve gotten worse or stayed still while the competition has moved forward. All that support is a bit of a waste it seems.

Binance CyclingMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC658325
Croatia14449414
jandal7559412
knockout359424


Bralirwa - Stevens


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Joeri Stallaert77606758766880817976676658x30
Fabio Silvestre78616773707174568081706377x31
Madushanka Perera71536458697377647980506174x28
Valens Ndayisenga66787565696873526373726965x27
Joey Rosskopf73737576737170576170686777x32
Jacob Fiedler76576580707173576358646079x34
Bonav. Uwizeyimana71767274767577505668695874x28
Andrea Vendrame72627658757373607175676770x27
Mektel Eyob68767666746973556266727366x28
Loic Vliegen71677761767070686674716967x28
Yves Lampaert75606656747369786061716756x30
Bob Schoonbroodt72637563757367746872617463x30
Tesfom Okbamariam73666559707367767268657859x30
Souheil Khederi67747661686771595873677159x30
Janvier Hadi68747274737071617471686974x29
Houcaine El Sabbahi73646863707268647373686768324
Natnael Tesfatsion66687060646868606871666261122
Moise Mugisha66687061627269606269766360324
Samuel Mugisha72636870677068636268716464324
Henok Mulubrhan66646865646868616670666366122
Yacob Debesay64666859666768626269686459122


Talking Points

jandal: Bralirwa is a team that when I sort by OVL I love the top 1, and spots 4-15… I just wish they were spots 6-17, or at the very least that #2 and #3 combined for more than 240 points last year whilst being on the same terrain with similar weaknesses. Of course I’m being a little tricksy as Ndayisenga and Fiedler (in fact include Eyob, Rosskopf, Uwizeyimana, Vendrama, Rosskopf and Lampaert too) are clearly well above Perera, who also can be excused as he’s rather a good wage-per-points scorer on a minimum deal, but you still get the feeling they’re asking maybe too much of Stallaert, Silvestre, Fiedler and Ndayisenga here to hope for clear safety. Silvestre’s fairly big wage as well as the FA signing of Stallaert (who I’m not saying wasn’t worth it) make this feel like a team worth slightly less than the salary cap, who nevertheless have done well with that fact! Just a lack of oomph at the top maybe. With decent depth and solid leaders they should be able to survive on first glance, but it may be a bumpy ride.

AbhishekLFC: Stallaert, Silvestre, Fiedler, Rosskopf and Uwizeyimana are all great additions to any PCT team, and think they’ll do just fine for Bralirwa this season. But I still get a nagging feeling they’ll be in and around the uncomfortable 18th to 23rd spots all season. Stallaert will probably decide on which end of that spectrum they end. Trentin and Blythe will share a lot of the top-end cobbles points with their afore-mentioned leader, so it might be a bit tricky in that regard to dominate the cobbles. Silvestre should be as consistent as always and could also become a trump card in their survival bid, but once again that’s a lot to put onto the game and it’s love-hate relationship with most sprinters.

Croatia14: *checking back my verdict on cobbles* Another team that laid all eggs in one basket: Stallaert earns a lot, but with the PCT set-up he is worth it. Send him to all Cobbled races you can get and he’ll do well as I suspect the cobbles to more often than not be decided by reduced sprints of 4-10 riders. Then he’ll be perfect. Getting Lampaert very late for 100k was a key achievement and will help massively. Additionally, missing a puncheur might have been (accidentally?) a perfect decision this year, with Ndayisenga at least capable of some results. I like what the team did with Rosskopf, Uwizeyimana and Hadi, they add various options for an undervalued TT+ 1-2 tough stages race type and can even work well in PTHC. I would’ve liked 2 more versatile TT guys instead of the Mugisha-brothers to make the most out of them and Fiedler, but I enjoy the home-emphasis of the squad.

In terms of sprinters they should be just fine. I wanted to sign Silvestre myself for multiple years and train him, but just didn’t get to do so. He can survive hills and pick the stage races with Prologues/TTs, which should work well as long as the game doesn’t think he’s a rouleur. Perera for 50k is fine as long as he doesn’t ride alongside Silvestre. The team looks better than the main stats suggest to me, and I trust 2nd year manager cunego59 after his surprising achievements in the first year that he’ll manage to avoid relegation somehow.

knockout: The consensus here seems to be that Bralirwa will find itself in the uncomfortable region just slightly above the relegation spots and I agree with that assessment. I like the moves the team has done a lot: Stallaert and Silvestre are two very cool leaders that might have their weaknesses (Mainly Resistance for JS / top speed for FS) but should be great this season and beyond. Then there is that very cool core of African riders of which Ndayisenga and Uwizeyimana should be the best scoring options.. In the end, I think the one year rental of Fiedler might be the deciding factor to push the team above the line.

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AbhishekLFC426876
Croatia14217963
jandal7325853
knockout326865


Carlsberg - Danske Bank


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Rasmus Guldhammer68817771747574697076716571x32
Matteo Trentin74607461767175817576675667x32
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Olli Kulppi73596761736969776570637060x30
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Tore Andre Vabo69646968656865626668716566223
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Goldwijnn Cannister67616564686365666670706266122


Talking Points

jandal: Obviously the headline grabber is the huge double deal with Mapei to bring in the incredible duo of Guldhammer and Trentin, both with a good argument to be top 3 in their terrains and both arriving on very reasonable wages. Kragh Andersen, Aranburu, Lander and Warbasse provide a very handy quartet of further leaders (though the two climbers obviously may have to do some time in the service of Guldhammer). Bouglas, Eg, Olesen, Roe and Sinkeldam are all very good domestiques and minor scorers in their own right. This is a very impressive set-up for a promoted team. A pretty old one, but that’s alright when it’s guaranteed to do the job for them this year and then some!

Croatia14: You sometimes see promoted teams going in win-now mode. That usually is to cure potential relegation headaches, but at Carlsberg it’s different. While that may have been the first intent, the outcome is completely different: The Danish side of elevator-manager bbl might actually have assembled the strongest PCT squad of all. Mightily impressive as a promoted team. They learned from their past mistakes: Less wasted wages & roster spots, great leaders, awesome 2nd row and good support. And suddenly the tables turn, and there almost are no excuses not to promote. Bbl may have some disadvantage having rarely planned riders of such quality and a promotion fight, but this is a huge opportunity. The leaders are 32, so the time is now to grab that window of opportunity. And if they do as they should, then we finally see bbl in PT next year, the place he deserves for what he contributed to the community for multiple years.

knockout: It looks like Carlsberg has switched into an entirely different gear this off-season and turned into one of the strongest back-to-back promotion contenders we have seen in a while. Signing Guldhammer and Trentin while barely losing any of their depth and retaining Warbasse, Kragh Andersen, Aranburu and Sinkeldam should put the team in a very strong situation for the season. With good depth on basically every terrain, a top 10 finish looks like a forgone conclusion to me and the sky's the limit.

AbhishekLFC: Have already said how I think they’ve done fantastically well in the off-season. The young team didn’t get them the CT title last season, it was incredibly close, but it has translated into them being able to turn themselves into a solid and better PCT team. Like knockout mentions, I think a Top 10 is well on the cards, and with how close the division is, and, like I think he might, Trentin becomes the one to beat in the cobbles, they have a serious shot at back-to-back promotion!

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AbhishekLFC816838
Croatia14915926
jandal7837826
knockout825827

Edited by Croatia14 on 27-10-2021 21:53
 
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Carrefour - ESPN


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Michael Van Stayen75637859746978688376726259x33
Maxime Daniel73566956767674807672697464x30
Juan Chamorro66787565727670516674787464x30
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Alberto Dainese72616760717474617678646963323
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Patrick Bercz72627060736875667677676660x32
Geremie Nzeke67727661726767636668757463x31
Kevin Colleoni65686865656865606469656862122


Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: Carrefour have had an eye to pick up riders who perform better than their stats, and that was mostly how they claimed the CT title last season. They have continued with that strategy with the jarring exception of Van Staeyen who looks like a superb signing for the PCT! Despite the decline and the low acceleration, Van Staeyen looks like he will be in the conversation for the win in all flat races, and even some bumpy ones, that he enters. Daniel is a solid cobbles rider and should be a Top 10 surety and a Top 5 contender in almost all of his races. Going uphill, Chamorro needs to recapture the magic from last season, otherwise, they don’t have a lot of firepower there, with a 35 year old Bakelants not likely to scare a lot of his competitors. Get the feeling the late double capture of Kuboki and Hayakawa is the actual off-season move that assures their safety and gets them into mid-table.

jandal: I’m not quite sure what to make of Carrefour - a lot will depend on Van Staeyen maximising himself and with the calendar not as generous to hilly sprinters as it was four or five years ago (and since I’ve had Houle in the intervening years I’m always going to bring that fact up in this preview!) he will end up with some flat races unless they think he can join Bakelants in the hillier stuff which would seem a mistake. I’m not familiar enough with the new game version to speak too much about leadouts but I would suspect having six possible leadout-sprinters with a higher acceleration than your leader might not result in a fully optimised train - and since he might take time getting to speed he doesn’t want to be train-hopping too long. Still, he’s a formidable rider, and some of those sprinters as Abhi very rightly points out are valuable options on their own, in Boeckmans, Hayakawa and the “is he still underrated or do we all speak about him so much that everyone actually does rate him and even overrates him?” man himself, Kazushige Kuboki. Daniel is a very good cobbler, Bakelants is an average puncheur, and Chamorro is a very nice option to threaten the top 60 and provide what I would guess will be much-needed points, and if planned well probably ends up their second-top scorer unless Daniel regularly threatens the top guns.

Croatia14: Let the cat out of the bag: I do not like the pick-up of van Stayen and I think it will endanger their security to bank on him. He’s the rider I would’ve loved in my PCT team on PCM15. But on PCM20? Kump was better last year and couldn’t keep whitejersey safe of relegating. The Acceleration makes him more of a Guerao-Sprinter than a world-class sprinter. The hill stat can only be used if it’s not a real hill race, cause for those he lacks mo/res/acc. And by just riding over tough hills acceleration & mountain might be equally as important as the hill stat, so can he benefit there. Which leaves me with the question: In which races can van Stayen use his hill+sprint skillset? I honestly can’t answer this question, so van Stayen for me could turn into the disappointment of the season (and also hold other good sprinters like Boeckmans or hybrid sprinters like Kuboki back).

That said, at the end it may be completely different. To touch on the others on the team: Bakelants should be a constant 8-15, Quevedo, Gautier, Garby, Novak and the sprinters could be decent depth, Kuboki, Daniel and Chamorri need to be good secondary leaders. My issue is: I don’t see a rider that can constantly finish in the top5 in any race. Usually that’s not a good sign if you’re not Kraftwerk-level deep. Carrefour is deep, but Kraftwerk-deep!?

knockout: Carrefour puts a lot of pressure on the shoulders of Michael Van Stayen but comparing him to other low acc sprinters such as Guerao, Avelino or Lo Cicero seems very unfair to him. All of them have tons of other problems on top of the acceleration: terrible resistance, awful climbing ability, less stamina and a below average hill stat. None of which is a trait that Van Stayen shares with them. The comparison to Kump is a lot more fair but Van Stayen has always been tenfold the pure sprinter Kump has ever been and yet Kump still scored almost double the points of someone like Guerao. I’d say the 575 points Kump scored last season is the absolute floor of what you might expect from Van Stayen with the expected points higher than that. What will help Van Stayen is that this year’s PCT punchy sprinter field is about as empty as the list of Bangladeshi olympic gold medal winners. If you want to look for a sprinter that is even slightly better on the hills than someone like Caleb Ewan, you have to scroll all the way down to riders such as MVS’ teammate Kazushige Kuboki, Julian Alaphilippe and Pascal Ackermann with 77SP each. Sure, post-PCM15 he will not be a contender in Strade Bianche anymore but he will be force in races like the Tour Down Under where his superior hill stat avoids that he loses time on the hills and gives him a big advantage in the fight for the points jersey - similar to how he beat Ahlstrand for the green jersey at the Tour de France just last season.

However a key difference to Kump and whitejersey last season is that Van Stayen might be the star in the headlights just like Kump was but the team depth surrounding Van Stayen is vastly superior. Daniel might not be super exciting to watch but he is a very solid cobbler that very reliably can add at least some points on the cobbles. He will also be key for Van Stayen as a good fit for a leadout when the team has a lot of unsuited sprinters with too much acceleration. Boeckmans might get older but he can still do well in races such as the Rheden GP as well as a couple of sprints throughout the season. The Japanese surprise cuts Kuboki and Hayakawa are outstanding value signings. Chamorro, Bakelants, Novak and a multitude of sprinters in every race can also keep the points trickling in. I see the team as a somewhat safe mid table team.

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Croatia14337616
jandal7358627
knockout548528


Cedevita


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E. Alexander Beltran69798166737272596676787466x31
Jose Alarcon68837266697271505876786565x33
Lahcen Saber75626864747278768179636870x31
David Gaudu73717866787571576870696966x25
Andrea Zordan67737755727270536574726255x29
Tadej Pogacar68757273767676516369666572323
Matej Vysna67767564707368505269625864x33
Abolfazl Gilanipoor69777168747173535673677368x32
Olivier Le Gac70697760737471526469747360x28
Izidor Penko71687176737471586570627176x25
Gasper Katrasnik81616369727669636372817369x26
Dusan Rajovic71586459707569557680575761424
Havard Blikra69757565727073526272696365x30
Miha Poljanec77676963706867737171697363x26
Michael Christodoulos71666776736868535364736577424
Matija Mestric72636963686967745565707567424
Ivan Siric74636965727660717370597465323
Jefferson Cepeda69707264696867616670686762325
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Andres Camilo Ardila65727267666667626268686567122
Goran Antonijevic76616567667364677073797267427
Santiago Buitrago66696865677069606573686665122
Kristjan Hocevar66686861656463546670666962122
Veljko Stojnic69656568697168566769716570122


Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: A lot depends on how Beltran goes for sure, but Cedevita have better balance than last season and they shouldn’t once again be in a relegation battle like the last two seasons. Alarcon isn’t the greatest leader but he is a definite improvement to what the team had last season. The supporting cast behind both leaders is also better than last season. I expect to see Saber rarely used on the cobbles and think he’ll concentrate mainly on the sprints this time.

jandal: I hope you’re right about Saber and I’m sure redordead will do so - that Saber/Rowe type of mid 70s COB sprinter have almost exclusively fared better in uncobbled races than cobbled with a few exceptions. I think Alarcon is flying under the radar as he often did in PT - his best days are gone referring both to PCM version and his decline but he’s still a real force and should be a top climber still - whether there’s enough RDs in his calendar to avoid meaningful puncheur stages or ITTs (or TTTs to be honest with this team) in his stage races is a question I could probably answer if I actually did my research like a professional. Point is, he’s a fantastic acquisition and should, with Beltran, find them salvation easier than their previous second options have done. The supporting cast for their two top guns is very solid as you say, maybe it wouldn’t have hurt for them to add a cobbled leader or some other fourth option, but the quality of the top three and the solid points that come from gourmet domestiques like Gilanipoor, Pogacar and Gaudu should see them home regardless. Also, with less leaders but nice second and third tier riders they should be due some breakaway points (although I guess those are meant to happen less now).

Croatia14: One of the most intriguing teams. Getting Kudus would’ve meant that they are set for years, but a late outbid meant they had to go a different way. Ardila and Buitrago are insanely talented and two of the top10 talents of this year’s class on very cheap prices. Buying Gaudu and signing Alarcon was good value moves, their broken Saber trade may be to their benefit at the very end. However, this year might be difficult for various reasons.

First the team depth is better this year, but there are still too many riders on the bottom end that need race days. Hopefully they don’t interfere with the stars race days. Then there is Alarcon. Nobody knows what he can or can’t do. I expect him to do well and be planned away from Beltran completely. If race days allow it he might win the Tour of America, as he needs to be planned to have the least possible opposition to work his Acceleration and don’t be dropped early. Beltran himself had a bad year last year and also now has to face a similar rider in Kwiatkowski, so I don’t expect him to do better this year, even if he and Alarcon have (the much needed) better support that can do well in terms of depth scoring. Saber is shaky as always, but could benefit from the cobbles and sprinters demography that seems better fitting to his skillset this year. Gaudu, Pogacar, Groselj and Penko are intriguing u25-options, though the team should try to pair their TT talent with a top quality TT guy in the future and a proper TTT team. Interestingly enough the team is very well set for future success if it wasn’t for the leaders department. Now they have to hope their short term solutions allow them to search for a long term solution in PCT next year.

knockout: Last season, one of the lesser mentioned problems of Beltran was that he didn't have enough support on the hills. Fixing that problem was obviously a big priority of transfers for redordead as the team has signed a whole army of hills domestiques with David Gaudu as a fantastic super domestique as well as riders such as Zordan, Le Gac, Vysna and Blikra who fit very well to Beltran. This makes me think that Beltran’s scoring will probably stay on a similar level as last season despite the vastly improved hills startlists. The team still needed another big scorer to make relegation no option and Alarcon was the compromise option after earlier ideas fell through. He might not be the most versatile rider in the peloton but he proved to be very consistent last season, finishing 10th in his last three races before the decline: Tour de France, Criterium du Dauphine Libere and GP Liechtenstein. That makes me think that he will still deliver in PCT this season with the right race selection - and Beltran and Alarcon are two riders that seem like a good planning pair with widely different strengths. Add Saber who hopefully finds his TDF form a bit more often and U25 scoring by Pogacar (Dibs on a PT loan 2022!) and I think they will remain in PCT for another season - even if it could end up being very close this season. Going with a smaller squad could have made the job a lot easier.

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AbhishekLFC685238
Croatia14684116
jandal7786235
knockout566229


cycleYorkshire


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Hugh Carthy71817567777678566069656565x27
Omar Fraile69767279747672586066796579x31
Jay McCarthy70678158807570696574717158x29
Gabriel Cullaigh73616663737078728081666867x25
Luke Durbridge73586781737470536264686181x30
Ivo Oliveira70707279767267617072686879x25
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Matthew Holmes70727561717369616771716862x28
Anders Skaarseth67757270707173556167586968x26
Jocelyn Bar76546960737077677674716260x33
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Ian Stannard73515377666762645569675977x34
Andrew Tennant74606675717172516463756474x34
Jacob Hennessy69616561676866677373606665425
Javier Romo68687165707266606463716062122
Dimitrios Christakos68696766666966586166706969122
Ben Turner65636566676761626870626867122


Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: Never thought they would give up Meintjes, but here we are! Despite this, I think the team had a great transfer season to go back to the PT at the first attempt. Definite Top3 contender for me. Will pick out Fraile as their top pick this season.

jandal: Think Abhi has it right here. They’ve done a consummate “PT relegaters go straight back up” job and I think they’ll do it comfortably. Carthy makes a perfect long-term regional hero for the team even if he’s not a top gun, Fraile continues in the PCT which is a good move for him since he’s always the top rider in his niche and fits well in this TTT set-up. Speaking of, the trademark train isn’t up to all of its old glory but it’s not far off, and with three high-scoring individuals in Durbridge, Fraile and Oliveira (plus Viviani even) to benefit from it it’s still an awesome terrain for them. Add in McCarthy, Cullaigh, Bellis and Kennaugh all as varying degrees of good options - this is a top title contender if all of these names can be maximised in planning, and even if they aren’t (as is normal) they should be back up in the PT in style.

Croatia14: Funnily enough in my very first thought I completely disagreed with you and had them even in relegation danger. But on a second note they should do enough. Durbridge and Fraile will probably be their best scorers as they have a great TTT squad and a history of knowing how to utilize that. Fraile has loads of upside races in PCT, riders like him did very well there in the past. There are a lot of good TTT trains in PCT, but none as top heavy as cycleYorkshire. Cullaigh is one of the rare PCT sprinters where I see a great support plan if they use Bar, Hayter and Viviani in their free race days. McCarthy will be underwhelming due to the competition, as he has no standouts (and that was why I first thought they might suffer), and also Fenn should only go to mandatory cobbled races. Carthy is just fine, your typical 4-10 finisher, and a similar piece to Meintjes so should be a good but not great scorer. I love the regional focus, even though it makes for some weaker riders on the bottom end. The team all in all, with how it’s built, is a very nice regional team that has all the chances. If they can get Cullaigh to work with the much better train than the opposition they could rise up far in the rankings, but if not I probably have them further down than many.

knockout: To me it looks obvious that cycleYorkshire will be in the promotion battle this year. They might lack the one big leader but they have a great depth of 2nd level riders - by my count they have six or seven riders that are each capable or expected to score 300 points or more so they are not reliant on the scoring of a single leader. I fully agree that McCarthy might struggle against the strong opposition this year but he might well be the team’s 4th best scorer behind Carthy, Durbridge and Fraile. If they had a second strong sprinter, a strong cobbler or two more 76+TT guys to fill the TTT team, they’d be an absolute lock to promote back immediately but they decided to carry Matt Rowe with their team for yet another season with them. Spoiler: He sucks and I will continue to mention it every year until he finally retires. But even with him: CycleYorkshire will be in the promotion battle.

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AbhishekLFC764397
Croatia146442104
jandal7755296
knockout755396


Duolingo


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Bruno Borges70708061757370547181756560x30
Robert Gesink69797776727474625762686276x35
Kyeng Ho Min68797666757770636266696966x25
Tosh Van der Sande75657058787376667979546058x31
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Jakub Kaczmarek72687575747572696369686776x28
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Mark Christian73636977727170596872767175x31
Nikita Razumov72636977747071566466696577425
Elias Abou Rachid69736972717274586268696671426
Rasmus Quaade71546378727065596163666076x31
Shane Archbold73586277727170607375686667x32
Norman Vahtra68586855706968707271666555225


Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: Duolingo has a solid team, with solid leaders in all terrains, with an exceptional TTT team. However, the other terrains do not really have a top point-scorer which might mean once again falling short of the promotion spots. Gesink is still as useful as they come, albeit his wage is somewhat high for his declining stats, while the recently maxed Min is an exciting prospect to look forward to. Borges has overperformed regularly in the PCT but with the puncher field being as it is, he might just get crowded out and the puncher depth will be of no use at all.

jandal: Solid is a really great word for Duolingo Abhi - they’ve been solid for a while now and that’s very nice and they have some nice riders but as you say, it doesn’t get them back where they belong in the PT. With Gesink declining and Borges’ competition increasing it could look like a backwards step… and it probably is. However the hill depth could come up handy and the RES and TT stats suggest some deep scoring all-around, while Min will rarely win white jerseys but should still gather a fair amount of points that way. Van der Sande is also a great addition and I’m interested in what Merlier can do. Maybe a team hurt by the lesser chances for attackers in PCM20?

Croatia14: Yes, the TTT team is exceptional, but for whom? You don’t want Howson to be a leader, and would such a train have been necessary for Gesink? I actually think Gesink will be in major trouble this year, he doesn’t look as good as oldie-compatriot Spilak and I’m already not a fan of his chances this year. At least Gesink and Min have 97 race days between them, so having a 79 climber in every race with mountains is a good prospect. Borges is good, but I honestly don’t see the good hill train for him. Borges has his Acc as a weapon to finish off races, but if he can’t get to the finish line with the best I see this team in relegation danger despite the TTT depth and solid leaders, just because I miss the big scorer almost all other teams have.

knockout: It’s difficult for me to write about Duolingo this season. The team looks boringly solid everywhere but there is nothing that excites me. Okay, the TTT team is fantastic but outside of that it’s hard to find things that stand out positively or negatively. The squad looks like a midtable squad to me but how much of that is down to Gesink’s name value?

DuolingoMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC763375
Croatia14573264
jandal7674384
knockout664266


Eurosport x GCN


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Adam Blythe76546668767177827673727271x32
Richard Carapaz69807172717677505665716172x28
Kenji Itami74626062706676637981505262x33
Giacomo Nizzolo73546457706771578079626466x32
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Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: Blythe was an amazing signing but unluckily for them, the presence of both Trentin and Stallaert in the division means that they cannot expect a Summerhill 2019 and 2020 like dominance. Just how well Blythe does could be the difference between safety and the drop as the leaders in the other terrains are a couple of notches below being bankable in every race.

jandal: I was about to make a joke about this team sounding like a hot fashion collaboration, but then I realised this is the_hoyle so that’s exactly what it is. This team has somehow managed to make a hill train comprised of almost all of my least favourite puncheurs so I have to throw some hate their way for that. Severe RES and ACC deficiency will also get some anti-you bias from me and so I don’t see their bottom half overperforming at all. Blythe will have to turn up big and take the cobbles by the horns, while Carapaz, Itami, Nizzolo and Schreurs have to be the best of the average/boring in their terrains.

Croatia14: Average/boring is a nice way to say ugly. Neither Carapaz nor Schreurs or Nizzolo should do really well to be honest, they all look like your grandpa in a beauty contest compared to others on their terrain. Blythe is what should keep the team over the line, but can he? I think cobbles will be wide open, but Blythe has the upside that he’ll be a good scorer in PTHC cobbles as well, which is very important for a cobbles/hills leader in PCT. While his support is okay at best, he should score significantly. The team depth looks okay on first glance, but on second thought I don’t see a single rider that will do well on a PCT point-scale context besides Moulingui. Looking at main stats they should be safe, secondary stats speak a different language though. Also I absolutely love the national focus and african touch.

knockout: A lot has been talked about Blythe already as he is easily the most exciting rider in this squad and I'm glad he found the perfect new home. But outside of him, the team doesn't have many sure scorers. Carapaz looks solid but not great - potentially the Tour of America might be a necessary bet for him? Especially as the team could also send one of their sprinters to the race too: Itami and Nizzolo are two solid sprinters but Itami should still be the stronger one of them which could make planning a bit challenging. For the hills, I have to quote jandal’s “a hill train comprised of almost all of my least favourite puncheurs” and I'm not particularly confident that they will deliver well enough to avoid relegation.

jandal: Croatia, you know me too well ;)

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AbhishekLFC435912
Croatia14226801
jandal7435910
knockout445911

Edited by Croatia14 on 27-10-2021 21:56
 
Croatia14
Indosat Ooredoo


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Leigh Howard76636868757079638279646568x32
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Viktor Verschaeve65717067727170626269676466323
Muhammad Yudha67676965696968556469686766122
Rachmad Wibisono69686769687068555968736569122
Alan Jousseaume63706760636568606164646360123
Laurens Huys64696761686667565664585962123


Talking Points

knockout: It’s hard to look at the squad and believe that this was a PT team just last season. The most exciting about this team is the signing of Eddie Dunbar who asked for half the Indonesian gold production, the first born of the team manager and an iPhone 15 during free agency and got it all because he might be trainable into a GT winner with the humble training expense of 13,150,000 over the next years - might being the key word here. Howard is another strong signing - he actually accepted a very reasonable wage. Warchol and Jensen are the other two potential scorers but Warchol doesn't inspire much confidence while the latter got overshadowed by about 13 million better puncheurs who just joined the PCT. With all of that, Indosat has to hope that Howard and Dunbar will deliver big times this season - otherwise we might see a historic back-to-back relegation this season.

AbhishekLFC: I can understand where they were trying to go with their transfer dealings, but 815k for Dunbar, who can probably target 3-5 races for the moment, is taking it too far. Howard was a good signing, Jensen also has a decent wage, although I doubt he gets into the Top 10 scoring punchers this season, while Warchol’s training also made sense. Having said that, Indosat are basically looking towards major overperformances from three or four of the riders just mentioned, which is probably a bridge too far.

jandal: Eddie Dunbar for 815k sounds like the kind of thing I would do and I’m not sure I’m saying that in an entirely supportive way. Given that a lot of their riders further down the order are sprinters and time trialists, often lacking severely in ACC, I have doubts over how many of them can overperform this year, if any. So it really is on the shoulders of their top six to carry them home here.

Croatia14: I share your concerns. But with Dunbar's scoring last year as an unmaxed rider (!!) and still being u25-eligible he’ll again have an awesome season and we undervalue him again. Indosat desperately needed to rebuild, and with Dunbar, the training of Warchol and Jensen they did a good job in turning around. Due to the lack of competition Howard is a great signing, but I have questions about the leadout he’ll surely have to have, cause I don’t see any fitting pieces. Could be a tough season for Indosat, as I also don’t like the composition of the support for any of their leaders. Indosat took risks with this necessary rebuild, and if they survive the PCT sea of sharks they can pat themselves on the back. If not, then they might find themselves in shambles and Dunbar was a very costly rental.

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AbhishekLFC437045
Croatia14447026
jandal7446045
knockout346036


Jura - Fiat


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Talking Points

knockout: When Jura manager Fabianski recently looked at last season’s predictions, he noticed that this very ‘expert’ is the least accurate with his predictions for the PCT division and he surely will hope that the same happens next year as i see a hard season ahead of the team. The hope of the team rests mostly on Quintana to bring the scoring. But Quintana lacks the niche where he really is a podium contender - he is not explosive enough or strong enough on the TT bike to get an upside over his rivals. So a lot of his scoring will depend on whether the team can get him into the right races with clever race planning. Outside of him, the team has multiple riders with potential to overperform as all of Moscon, Masnada and once again Reinhardt could turn out to be the second strong scorer the team will need to survive. They have a realistic chance to survive but i think it will be an uphill battle - literally and figuratively.

Croatia14: Okay let’s face it first: Quintana is a shit leader. With no other 80-main-stat guy I’d normally say they’re doomed, and probably favourite to go down. But they also have loads of undervalued riders. Moscon, Masnada and Reinhardt can be great, especially Reinhardt seems to use his Acc very well in the new game. The others look good as well, though there are several better versions of Masnada and Moscon floating around and the depth is more of an attacking one which does not fit the game properly. Looking at the opponents it would not surprise me if Jura-Fiat misses the cut. But with Schmid as their number one target this year, who has a great future ahead, and Masnada, Moscon, Reinhardt and the regional core around it, Jura has a good young base for the future - no matter if it’s PCT or (probably more likely) CT.

jandal: I don’t like Quintana either but I doubt he’ll be bad strictly speaking - outdone by many riders under his MO stat but still solid enough to score well at all his RDs especially with that decent TT stat. Us four will always be too negative about a guy like him, he’s a solid leader but maybe not when he has to put a team on his shoulders in the relegation scrap. I have no idea what to think of Reinhardt except that I want to watch him and Van Staeyen have drag races as a regular series throughout the year. I agree with Croatia’s assessment of the depth (especially as I’d be foolish to overrule him on PCM20 factors influencing their attackers since I’ve never touched the game) but surely guys like Lienhard and Thiery can have some fun. A really really likeable bunch that I hope to see do well and have some fun - but I won’t hold my breath for consistent points. At least they’ll look good to stick with this set-up broadly in the CT if it does come to that.

AbhishekLFC: Not very sure how to rank them to be honest. Moscon was regularly challenging, and often beating, Kelderman last season, but the level of competition just went up a few folds, and he might get lost in the crowd. He might also pull a Turgis, so it’s a hard one to call. Quintana should be solid without pulling any miracles, as has become his norm in the past couple of seasons. The lower competition in the mountains should help as well. A lot perhaps depends on Reinhardt and whether he can build on his ability to mix it up with much higher statted sprinters, as he had shown last season. Unfortunately, they only have Masnada besides this, who’s good no doubt, but not sure he can do enough to pull them up to safety. A lot depends on those front three to determine which division they’ll be in next season.

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Kraftwerk Man Machine


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Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: Think they stuck to their tactic from last season of having their depth do the talking. Arndt, Boily and Zabel were good signings in that regard. However, I think a few teams might have got a similar idea this season, so it remains to be seen whether it works as well as last time. In particular, the ToA strategy might not be as lucrative this time, in my opinion at least.

Croatia14: Every year I think: Damn, can a team this top-thin (is that the opposite to top-heavy?!) avoid relegation? And every year I predict them lower than they finish. It’s depth scoring (we clash on 2-3 50k riders in FA biddings every year, and every time D2B ends up getting them cause he’s willing to pay a little more), team points, and with similarly good leaders in every race you automatically find the holy grail in some of those. Arndt is a great addition that can be worked to perfection on a PCT schedule, and his sprint/acc might be very handy in mountain classics. Zabel has disappointed in the past but I see him thriving in Kraftwerk-colours, Nerz and Haller will find their races again (even if I expect ToA to have a much stronger startlist this year). Expect Kraftwerk to rack up points in all the ugly races and find themselves surprising me once more, even though I again have them as a lower-half of the table team.

knockout: New season, same old Kraftwerk. Lots of depth, no unmaxed riders and paying big transfer fees for mediocre German leaders - some things never change. I don’t think that the outcome will change a lot either as they seem to be too weak to promote and too strong to be at risk of relegation so they will likely end up somewhere in between once again.

jandal: Kraftwerk are a team that has grown on me the last couple of years in terms of how they execute their plans - fitting since they’ve always been better than my team up to last year that I only now get it. Except for 2018 strangely where I got it right - I guess I had a sudden moment of realisation then! And this is hard not to sound like I’m criticising because I’m really not - as said they’ve beat me 4/5 seasons since we both joined in the class of 2016 and they’re not putting in no effort so much as sticking to their style as knockout said, D2B does it well and gets the results, and I would not be shocked if this style can be adapted to promotion any year coming as we’ve seen with other teams that take their time finding that PCT solidity and then promoting - think cycleYorkshire, Xero or MOL who all took similar lengths of time establishing their style and core before adding the finishing touches.

Despite three new riders at the top it’s nevertheless still that same warm feeling to look at the Kraftwerk roster, they seem to fit so well I’m surprised they weren’t already on the roster. You know that, except for the Tour of America probably, they’ll rarely be the headliners, but they’ll always be those classy as hell red jerseys with the black tie mixing it up in the points positions in every race they enter. If I were a different kind of analyst (if I can be so ridiculous as to call what I do here analysis) I could probably break down what they have done but I’m not sure I can. Walsleben aside, every rider has a purpose, every rider has a quality and will bring in points, and they’ll find their way home as they always do. However the question for me is: with no unmaxed riders here or out on loan, and the main cast all within the latter half of their prime, when do we trim a bit of the fat and pull the trigger on a big move or two to shoot for promotion? Easier said than done obviously, but with so much work put into making the set-up this good, I think it would be a shame if this cast and this style never took that next step.

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Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam


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Talking Points

knockout: Lierse was in a very weird spot before the transfer season. They already had a young squad together featuring two outstanding young riders that can be absolute world class with some training and are young enough to keep them as the core riders of a squad for half a decade. However, the squad just didn’t click with each other. Gaviria had a skill set that gives him a higher potential than any other sprinter in today’s world but at his current stats he was a terrible scoring per wage value which ultimately gives just two good options: Training or selling. Considering that the team also has the less talented Bonifazio on a much more reasonable wage, I'd consider a trade for Novak a decent decision. Novak doesn't have the potential to ever step into elite levels but he should be very good at PCT levels and Bonifazio should improve on his scoring as the focus point of the sprint planning.

However, the team is not built to support both Oomen and Novak. Assuming that De Plus is planned as somewhat of a full-time leader on the “mandatory” hilly races, that leaves just Senni to support Oomen on his 40 RDs and Novak on his 45 RDs. Which demands some proper Steiner maths to work out if you don’t want to have Fedeli, most known for getting dropped from every Giro 2020 breakaway, lvl 2 rider Alessandro Covi and lvl 1 rider Maxim Van Gils as key domestiques for the leader duo.

Croatia14: As a former owner of Novak I have to respectfully disagree with the verdict on Novak, I think he could become a better version of Beltran with the right training and thus become a good PT rider. Apart from that I see your points though. For Bonifazio it’s all about the AI finally understanding that he’s a sprinter and not a rouleur. With Gaviria gone he’ll have all the right races and massive upside.

Lierse are in a weird spot though where everything can happen. They will probably score (almost) nothing on classic hill races and should avoid them. As Bonifazio is unreliable and Vanbilsen kinda overtaken, they should focus on the mountain races (I don’t think lacking support will hurt a lot due to them more likely being P4-7 riders than top favourites), which sounds weird given their past. Still, they can be stellar in any race, and should also field a Tour of America team that can contest for the win. With Gamper as a stellar C2 rider and upside in the PTHC mountain and cobbled races and even sprints I think they are an unusual team that is very hard to predict, but it’s more likely promotion than relegation to me even if on paper they may got weaker. But having lost (almost) all u25-point chances they may fade very quickly if they got planning wrong. At the end Lierse depends, more than almost all others, on smart planning.

jandal: The word that springs to mind here, weirdly, is “compact”. A small roster and a very top-heavy team with great quality leaders, a couple of solid second-stringers, a few handy maxed guys and then over half the team which don’t provide much support, which leads to the gaps in planning knockout mentioned. I really wish Bonifazio is treated well in PCM20 as the sole sprint leader, that statline is the making of a top 50 gun at least and if we can start to consider him as such rather than glazing over his name on the roster this team looks completely different to me - however that’s all up in the air. However I’m going to be positive and cautiously consider him an asset.

It’s hard to know what stage Lierse is in after their two huge outgoings - clearly this off-season was a big step to where they want to be but in the manager’s mind it’s not a complete process I would guess. Similar to Kraftwerk I think they’re a well-run team that will be able to translate a style they’ve made to achieve very good things already to take them to the top of the division. With the guys they’ve brought through previously maxed and now also past U25 scoring it could be “go now” in 2022, or they wait until a bit more training and moving and shaking can be done, or wait until they’re 28-30 but then they’ve got Aleotti, Van Gils and Covi all maxed and more reshuffling and new talents coming through. All of those are fair options but none of them need to be taken or committed too - I’m overthinking it for the sake of content. I think they’re alright just doing themselves - in fact worse managers with less of a plan have stumbled into great things just chilling as it seems they might be this year. I really like this set-up for this season and the future. Oomen is quality, Vanbilsen is still a solid option, Novak is so cool, Bonifazio could be so cool, Senni has sexy RES and De Plus, Gamper, Mareczko et al all have their quality even if the MO focus isn’t there to back up their top guns. Still, sometimes a train is overrated and some mavericks can come together to do some really great things and fun times until Lierse go for the big push - and when they do, we all better watch out.

AbhishekLFC: Think they did a great job replacing the hot potato that was Gaviria. He really should find the PT more suitable. Oomen was already great and that training puts near the top of the terrain. Noval is an excellent capture as well, and should be a division topping 'secondary' leader. Lierse have taken steps to move away from being a relegation threatened team about three seasons ago to one that is now on the fringes of challenging for promotion.

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Los Pollos Hermanos


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Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: A team signing Spilak, Manninen and Zmorka having just promoted is a great transfer window! It is another story that they don’t have much support, albeit their TTT outfit is as competitive as it comes. Not sure the signing of Maksimov was necessary, as that wage could’ve got another Spilak domestique. They will definitely need their top three to be on top form, with Manninen having to get around 75% of last year’s haul to get Los Pollos into a comfortable position.

knockout: Looking at the Los Pollos Hermanos squad there is one key question: Is Manninen really that good or was it an absolute fluke of a season? Zmorka and Spilak are two great signings for the team that will deliver for sure and both of them have presented a schedule that should guarantee a good season for them. However, Manninen is a huge question mark. The roster is quite thin in supporting each of their team leaders but that’s particularly true for the Manninen support. My best guess is that the idea is to send him train surfing with Quispe, Beukeboom, Ruiz and a bunch of shitty talents as support but whether that can lead to results any close to last season is quite doubtful. This makes Manninen one of the riders with the widest reach of possible scoring in the entire division and if he hits either extreme, he could flush the team either into the single digit positions or - due to the lack of depth scoring options - into the relegation fight.

Croatia14: I can understand the problem you have with Manninen (and the Maksimov-signing), but I think it was a smart move. 400k is not that often in a pretty weak sprinters class. Though he might even suffer from the weaker division, as he absolutely needs to avoid having a train. I expect Manninen in all the stacked races including PTHC, while Maksimov would be a great choice for a Tour of America I am absolutely sure they’ll attend with their team demography.

Interesting might be the discussion about the choice of support riders. I think they did the right thing focusing on TTT, eventhough I hate every single one of those other TTT guys. But with aggressive 50k riders probably far less useful I love the approach of focussing on their best rider. Zmorka should score well, the question is whether Spilak can do that too. He’s lucky that the climbers in the division are not that great, but he won’t be able to use his hill really in this stacked division and low Acc, so I think he’ll look better than he will perform (sadly). Focussing on a TTT for Zmorka ment achieving one of the key points needed for survival, now planning their sprinters smart and without a need for a train is the other key. As knockout outlined: This will determine the wide range of possible outcomes for our favourite chicken supplier.

jandal: I think I almost agree with Croatia on most of this here - Spilak unfortunately won’t be as nice as he very much still looks after his third decline, but I think he should be able to (I know the schedule is out for him but I’ve forgotten most of it) take advantage of his HI and TT in multiple races such as California and Pologne where he’ll look a top rider if the biggest names forego them as they have tended to do recently. But overall yes he’s not a slam dunk but I think he is a very good scorer - however Marlen Zmorka is a great one with a decent TTT train. As I said in the sprint section I’m the last guy to ask about whether or not Matti Manninen will be able to come even close to his incredible 2020 but I think he should still be a very good third option on a team that needs their leaders to bring home as many points as they can and more, with a very high concentration of their points coming from the top three or four depending how Maksimov is, and then the TTT train. The focus on bringing in talents rather than more options, domestiques or breakaway guns is admirable for a promoting team and I think they have done enough work at the top with three truly excellent signings to ensure it doesn’t backfire on them.

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Minions


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Talking Points

jandal If my Facebook is anything to go by, middle-aged people fucking love Minions, so that explains the riders who have decided to go into business with the little yellow pricks for this season. Training Zepuntke is the definition of polishing a turd, but cut them some slack guys, when every other leader is declining both physically and mentally and thus ineligible for training, what else was the manager supposed to do with that money? Buy a better cobbler?

However on the whole it’s a solid mid-table team as always, and the lack of rankings excitement either way should do wonders for their leader’s pacemakers - and I’m not talking about their domestiques. Uran has another decline but is still solid with able support, EBH is a legend and I’ve disrespected him way too much here, Vesely was a standout last year and if he can front up to/avoid the PT-standard sprinters new to the division I suppose he can be again, whilst maybe with some luck Zepuntke can crack the top 80 now he’s trained?

Croatia14: The Minions are always a team that is slightly avoiding the flashlight, as they pride themselves in a “less flashy” depth approach. They do their planning fine every year, and looking at the team it screams mid-table again. However: Are Boasson Hagen and Uran still as good as they look? Hagen is not better than Kinoshita, I can’t really see a scenario in a race where he wins. Uran needs the time trial heavy stage races, but then the other stage racers are all more stage racers than attacking climbers. Vesely, Zepuntke and Kalaba can score big, but they can also be low-level scorers with less luck. The TTT team is nice, but they lack the top-end rider TTTer to support, going for Zmorka instead of Boasson Hagen f.e. would’ve been massive with that squad long term. Now they are of less use besides supporting Uran and trying to do damage. Sure, they have some nice depth riders, but can they really add a lot on the PCT calendar? They have depth, but possibly at all the wrong places. It’s probably not a popular verdict, but I think they have more to fear than to gain this season. Missed opportunity & time for a rebuild next year?

knockout: I think the team has a lot of riders that could be described as “high floor, low ceiling” riders. Riders like Uran, Zepuntke or Vesely are very unlikely to be dominant riders in their races but they are almost guaranteed to score decently wherever they go - hard to say that about any sprinter but i don't think there are many sprinters that fit the description better than Vesely. Boasson Hagen is obviously the new star signing and I’m sure he will be victorious some time during the hills lottery but he will rarely if ever be the top favourite.

AbhishekLFC: A declining Uran and Hagen as PCT leaders seem fine at the first look. The problem is that there are a lot of climbers similar to Uran and a lot of punchers having better support stats than Hagen! Those two should still pick up enough points in what is probably their last seasons near the top of the pile in their respective terrains. The Zepuntke training should bode them well, and he should become a regular Top 5 contender in the cobbles this season. I like Vesely and Kalaba, and both should be a good sprint double act for the PCT. All in all, they remind me of a slightly better version of Binance, and they should be in the 10th to 15th range in the PCT.

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Philips - Force India


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Talking Points

Croatia14: Good conglomerate mate got a little screwed over in transfers, but managed to recover late with Penasa and David as nice additions. I do not like Kelderman as a leader (Boasson Hagen syndrome) and fear that he won’t score a lot more than in their relegation season. Without a big time leader apart from that I thought it would be very difficult. But on second thought, the secondary leaders fit this year's PCT pretty perfectly. As the PCT’s climbers demography is a stage racers one, an acceleration climber has space to exploit in the PCT and do better than previously. Also van Asbroeck might fit the loss of a couple of power sprinters in the division, though a similar rider type in Saber didn’t work for Philips last time. David might be a great addition and fits PCT much better than PT. I also like Talansky, Teuns and Raileanu, as all three of them are good enough to score (also as secondary leaders) without relying on breakaways. This secondary leader depth might keep them alive this year despite my distrust in their huge leader. An example of how the shift of the game from benefitting squad depth to (secondary) leader depth may open as an opportunity for teams that did not succeed in primary transfer plans.

knockout: The more i look at the squad the more i think that Philips could be underrated because everyone is too worried about the hills startlists. Sure, those will be packed and will cause Kelderman to perform worse than he could have done otherwise. But there is so much more about this squad than him: Triple P is a climber/stage racer with a strong track record - last season he scored 640 points and I see no reason why he should not get close to that again. Talansky, Teuns and Traileanu are great depth options on the uphill races. And for the cobbles and hybrid races Tom and Tom should be a pretty solid duo - and Tomas proved to be a strong domestique / C2 leader last season already too. I think Philips won’t have much to do with the relegation fight.

jandal: knockout has stolen my thunder a little bit here because call me biased all you like I am coming in to say Philips are looking great. Even if you want to say Kelderman won’t be scoring like an 82HI rider - which I’d agree with - if you count him as only as strong as the other leaders here and not as their star, then they still have genuine quality leaders (I think “secondary depth” is doing them a disservice) on every terrain including hybrid climbing races, plus good depth in the domestiques, including Teuns and Railenau who should score regularly on their own terms as well. Penasa was a top 30 scorer last season, and I think Van Asbroeck underperformed a lot - he is so all-around handy if he gets treated right there’s not much reason he can’t get back to his old heights of the Lierse days or beyond to be a top 50 scorer in the vein of a Luke Rowe. Tom David also didn’t live up to expectations in the PT last year but I really really like him still for a couple of hundred points, while Talansky still looks very handy heading up that great MO/HI squad. Can’t believe knockout even missed out on mentioning another Tom, as Dumoulin usually manages to outperform his 78TT a bit each year and means they do have a threat for every race type. I really rate this set-up and don’t think it’s risking much below the lower mid table considering the amount of different options all contributing.

And before Abhi decides to some some stupid baby thing like predicting himself to get in the relegation fight or worse, I’m going to point him in the direction of his Valio preview last year, where he argued with me against Croatia and knockout about why they wouldn’t be involved for the exact same reasons (such as signing Penasa and a decent cobbler) Philips have this year, and eventually put them 15th like I did :P

AbhishekLFC: Won't comment too much but I hope what jandal says in the last paragraph, and apparently what I said in last season's preview is correct! Honestly I don't have high expectations from Kelderman. If he is a top 10 puncher this season, I will be happy. CT showed pretty much that his stats are an eyewash mostly besides a few selected classics where he consistently does well. Once I missed getting top leaders, I had to scrap for every possible points scorer who became available and was quite satisfied with the salvage job. Whether it's enough will be clear over the season. What I will say is that I expect to be in the relegation scrap and it's definitely mission 20th place as the target for the season.

jandal: Love the commitment to being two spots clear Abhi - if you finish 21st did you really survive? :P

Philips - F.I.MOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC773426
Croatia14663317
jandal7775427
knockout772426


Podium Ambition


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Caleb Ewan75627160737180708381637173x27
Marcos Altur75627063757070827268706363x28
Alexandor Cataford74727079757573676069677179x28
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Dylan Redy68656966676767656868676568222
Cristian Perez68626571696868696668716971122
David Dekker71616360747362687171656361223
Jacob Morales Ortega65676860686868556368687261122
Kemp Orosco68706865706467606364676362222


Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: At least five riders too many, and at least a couple of leaders short! It is commendable that Podium Ambition is trying to bring up a whole new region of cycling in the ManGame, much like Ayubowan (currently Farfetch) did with Sri Lanka, but barring maybe Major and Matthews, none of them are likely to contribute meaningful points for this team. For a team with this name, their trajectory has been taking them in the opposite direction in the last couple of seasons. They might very well be going from PT to CT in the span of three seasons! Ewan, Altur and Cataford, or at least two of them, need to have a season to remember, and then some, for them to survive again this time!

knockout: When we talk about depth, we usually mean that someone stacked lots of strong riders to add some points or provide good support. Podium Ambition has a totally different sort of depth as they have stacked up ‘talents’ over ‘talents’ that demand race days. I count a total of 14 riders that are about as useful as a brick (and with the same climbing ability) who need to level up plus Gayral who is a lvl 4.00 rider so probably won’t earn enough XP anyway. At that point, one nearly has to wonder whether Ewan, Altur and Cataford will even get to ride any RDs… In the end, that trio has to improve on their scoring from last season if the team wants to have a quiet season. At least Ewan has a lot of room to do so. If he/they don’t do so, I totally see the possibility of getting the rare former PT team in CT next season.

Croatia14: Any Eurovision fans here? This team reminds me of the second entry of Alexander Rybak. Still having his charm and qualities, but just too much force-feeding of what the team “should” stand for. You gotta love the regional identity, and you also gotta love a focus on two and a half terrains. But If those are as shaky as they are and the national riders are as much in need of development as they are, then the team doesn’t match it’s slogan “Podium Ambition” anymore. That’s how you write a song, but is it one that is still successful in the present time? As much as the cheesy presentation may appeal to the eye, there is so much more that you can achieve with that talented squad. It appears though, that this podium ambition that you could voice cutting two thirds of the team and replacing it with ten good riders, is not the real ambition. That is okay, but could also lead to relegation if Cataford can’t ride his mind out again and Ewan doesn’t make it click due to game flaws.

jandal: Nope not a clue about Eurovision, sorry Cro! But I do agree with your framing of this team around the question of their name - and I will say that if this team do achieve their podium ambitions one day with this new direction it will be one of my most respected and coolest long-term projects, I think it’s very admirable and will be so satisfying to carry out whether or not these guys (and gals) have podiums in their futures or not. Still, we’re here to do a 2021 preview not a 2024 one (though guys how cool does that sound?) and so we have to look at what is currently on the table. Well, what is there to say that hasn’t been said (and isn’t obvious on first glance)? Some of the supporting cast do provide something unique apart from being a sprinter or a shitter - namely Edmondson, Matthews, Bridges and Gayral. But really it’s about the top three dragging these promising but inexperienced and not really talented enough young guns across the line again. And they’ve done it before, so who’s to count them out again?

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jandal70110754
knockout0110634


Polar


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Pierre Latour69807570807880526474807374x28
Ion Izagirre71748177737269546064697077x32
Egan Bernal70797276787880646768636974424
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Ivan Garcia Cortina76646668767277747776707368x26
Marc Soler69767174767476545466606177x28
Nipuna Manamalage81515952716456775756646157x29
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Jan Brockhoff79637065747671636273646868x27
Mathieu Bernaudeau72546177686969527264636077x33
Welle Jallays75617175697473646163816475x32


Talking Points

knockout: Polar looks super strong from top to bottom. They retained their top duo from last season with Izagirre and Latour, their top talent Egan Bernal looks vastly improved after the recent stat gains and should be very useful already this season and the team made some clever signings to improve their TTT team to push themselves towards being the best in the division - if you have the chance to become the division leader in such a niche, that usually is a very valuable move to do. They also did a couple of interesting low risk gambles in Free Agency - whether it’s aging Baugnies and two stat wonder Manamalange ( ba dee bi di bi) for the cobbles, Di Maggio as a domestique on min wage or Oscar Guerao for the wage of 55k. While you shouldn't have huge expectations for these riders, it adds to the great team depth in places where they make sense and should help them push further towards the promotion spots - or maybe more?

AbhishekLFC: Love the look of Polar, and love how they have covered most of their bases this season. I guess I’m as excited as everyone else to see how an almost maxed Bernal goes this season.

Croatia14: I’m not as much of a fan as the others. Izagirre will suffer quite a lot under Bobridge and the strong puncheurs coming in I guess. Latour looks slightly better than he is, I think he’s comparable to penasa and thus good but not as good as the several 80’s suggest. Bernal however might be a nice addition for the stage races and thus complements pretty well. As the TTT department is top notch as well, I think the team will only race mandatory cobbles and sprint and be pretty weak there. Of course it’s not a relegation team if nothing special happens, but they need very good Bernal/Latour planning if they want to promote.

jandal: Sorry Cro but I’m going with or even past the first two here - I really really rate this Polar set-up with the amount of options they have as well as the quality and depth. Remember back in the Aker preview I said they’re one of a few teams where not a spot is wasted? Well when the closest Polar gets to a deadwood roster spot is a guy who still has 81 in his main stat (take your pick which one of them I mean) you know they’re the prime example, everyone here has something to bring, to score, to support the leaders. And the leaders do look great. This is a scary set-up for the rest of the division and promotion back to their old hunting grounds of the PT should be very much considered the minimum.

PolarMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC773387
Croatia14832398
jandal7862398
knockout762388


Project: Africa


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Francesco Bongiorno69797568777777615869696568x31
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Thomas Pidcock71717269717368717176678069122
Youcef Reguigui72767173726971506369686275x31
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Yacine Hamza71606660707067607171656461224


Talking Points

knockout: The Bobridge deal was for sure one of the highlights of the entire transfer season. Not only was it one of the biggest bargains the MG has seen in a long time but it also fit the team very well. Bobridge finds strong hill support with Gebrezgabihier and riders such as Ssabagwanya or Costa Seibeb who will be a huge help for him and a great TTT team. Despite not being a realistic target, the bands selection will also fit him somewhat with perfect fits like the Tour de Slovenie or Pais Vasco on the schedule - it’s hard to find a better fitting leader for the team. Before the deal the team looked set to relegate - i don't think they would have found enough material in the remaining market to avoid the drop since there are too many question marks behind the remaining “leaders” who are all of sub-top quality but Bobridge lifts them into midtable material immediately.

Croatia14: The most up and down transfer period came from the real P:A. Bobridge is a supreme rider, and for that price it was the deal of the transfer season. He can single-handedly keep the team safe, and luckily for me knockout researched their PTHC choices to underline that. Denifl is shit but has endless race days and the MO to score, Bongiorno is a little bit better but more of a constant in the lower Top10s I assume. The rest of the team looks pleasantly African (I love Ssabagwanya, Kireva and Seibeb especially) and deep in the TTT department for such races, though lacking a decent cobbler or sprinter to justify more than mandatory races. Normally a team with a lead puncheur, 2 decent 2nd tier climbers, a good TTT team and a bunch of regional riders would be set to relegate, but with how aidan has cohesively built the team it would need major planning flaws or Bobridge breaking a leg to be a relegation favourite. There are still questions as the management was a late entry to almost every deadline and thus may have invested far less time into planning than other managers, but I have trust in the team.

jandal: I like what Croatia said about the cohesiveness of the team - this is just a well built squad and each unit looks like it will give the leader a great support platform to achieve, which is important since they’re not the strongest out there aside from Bobridge who is obviously a huge name and as the others already covered one of the best pickups we’ve seen in a while. His support is very very good as is the TTT squad, while Denifl and Bongiorno, both different types of climbing leader and neither particularly inspiring, also have great names behind them, especially Grmay who should get a certain amount of points on his own but also Reguigui, Seibeb and Girdlestone are fantastic. With my team no longer part of the preview I have to hold my interest by being as self-centred as possible still so I’ll mention how great my loan-out Thomas Pidcock can be if the AI decides he’s a breakaway rider. The lack of great scorers outside of Bobridge does provide worries but it would be a shame and also not likely if such a well built and regionally focused team goes down over something as minor as not having any good leaders past their top guy.

AbhishekLFC: That Bobridge deal saved the window and the season probably for them so much that it may now push them towards a top half finish. Bobridge should enjoy the PCT much more than the PT and will be among the top two in the hilly TT stage races. Not very keen on the Denifl signing but he's good for points on the hard mountains. Bongiorno is someone I do like though. The great TTT setup should help both the hills and mountains leaders.

Project: AfricaMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC582176
Croatia14591055
jandal7482178
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Edited by Croatia14 on 27-10-2021 22:07
 
Croatia14
Red Bull Zalgiris


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Martijn Keizer71807080747877585672716080x33
Kristoffer Halvorsen76586563747180708080706168x25
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Talking Points

knockout: Keizer and Brändle are undoubtedly two strong leaders to have in PCT. But signing both for the same team looks like a mistake since their strengths and maybe more importantly their weaknesses are way too similar to each other to optimize scoring. The fact that Red Bull didn’t elect either the TT heavy PTHC Band 5 with Slovenie and Deutschland or Band 2 featuring the Tour of Norway will further harm the team scoring. At least they ride all relevant HC races since teams have to ride basically every band anyway, right? Right? Nah, the one band they will miss this year, is the undersubscribed HC Band 3 with the Arab Tour and Tour of Britain. While there are of course other very good races on the schedule such as [HC] Tour of Ukraine or [C1] Hong Kong Classic, lots of the best races are not available for the leader duo. As the old saying goes: He who sits in a glass house should not throw curses in every direction.

Croatia14: Is it a mistake though to sign both? Time Trial guys can coexist as leaders, better than on other terrains at least. Teams like Generali or Gazelle have shown this in the past, especially coming from TTTs. I like the approach, in general the manager did a fantastic job as much as he screwed me over in transfers. The wannabe-Patrick Lefevre of Man-Game assembled a great hill squad, without the leader to back it though. Dyrnes and Betancur are good but not great, especially in this competition. Halvorsen has been a fantastic pick-up, in comparison to others he’s insanely cheap and a nice training guy for the future. So let’s be real: The team is far from being #blessed with that one big leader, but the overall squad is deep and well suited to their leaders. Halvorsen has more boom than bust potential, and while I don’t see a big scorer besides Keizer (though knockout had a good point about race selection) I think we’ll see another year of Zalgiris in PCT if they’re not #cursed by their notorious managers’ antics. Only planning magic and the mafia-esque Lithuanian bribery machine could get them close to promotion places this year.

jandal: A complete and well-needed re-shuffle at the top for the Lithuanian pomeranian pagan demigods or whatever they call themselves, and more importantly thanks to that they’ve started to address the RES issue by ditching their aging “stars” and switching Nepomnyachsniys. I think this is another just well-built team from the top down, yes the double up on mountain-TT riders is strange but as Croatia rightly points out TT is the best terrain for multiple leaders as I’m sure the manager is aware. Also this may all just be moot if Keizer rides a mostly traditional mountain stage racing schedule as he may well do. Halvorsen is neat with that flat stat, and there’s an embarrassment of handy multi-faceted domestiques as well as luxury specialists such as Teklehaimanot, Dyrnes and Siskevicius, and so they should be well out of the relegation battle once again - however once again they’ll need a reshuffle of the leaders after this year to stay that way or improve for 2022. Or maybe I hate their squad and think they’re doomed but I just fear the curse. As the old saying goes: Chat shit get banged.

AbhishekLFC: My king! Only great things are in store for you…

Keizer is great for the TT heavy stage races and even a very good option for the regular TT races. Brandle is a great second option for similar types of races. The TTT squad is great as well and should bring them a lot of success. I don’t really like Betancourt as a hills leader because he wasn’t a great option even before this, and with the competition on the hills, one can expect him to fall lower in the pecking order. He has good support though. Halvorsen is a great young sprinter and came at a great wage for his stats. Unfortunately, his success depends on PCM, and that’s just a shitty thing to depend on.

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AbhishekLFC645287
Croatia14345179
jandal7544275
knockout544168


Sauber Petronas Racing


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Tejay Van Garderen72718168777470666978797468x33
Tom Jelte Slagter68787966717374506171827966x32
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Mohammad Mat Senan69757167747170515870655967x31
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Talking Points

knockout: For me it’s always fascinating to see how many teams try to have some scoring potential on some terrain and how many teams opt to ignore some terrains. There is an argument that Sauber outgrieg’d Grieg and out-tmm’ed TMM. They don’t have anyone capable of scoring in time trials, cobbles or sprints - I might be ignoring Pelucchi here but so will the PCM AI *famous last words*. This leaves only two terrains with leaders: Hills and Mountains. On the hills Tejay is still going strong and has strong support - especially if the team decides to bring it. Despite the strong opponents he should do well this season. On the mountains there is Ranaweera who is a solid but not spectacular leader in PCT. And there are riders like Slagter, Pomoshnikov, Frankiny, Anacona, Großschartner and Campero. Some of them are very nice riders, some a bit less so. But they all have in common that they wouldn’t qualify for the best Evonik TTT team. Which makes planning very difficult and despite the presence of enough individual talent, a great planning might be needed to avoid the drop to CT. At the very least, the team should be in danger until the very end and I suspect we could see a desperate Tour of America race to decide their season.

Croatia14: Right on here.Tejay needs to deliver for them to survive. Key is to plan Slagter away from him, as Slagter may wear Tejay out on the climbs and lead to awkward situations. Is Slagter in the right environment though? I’d have liked him more on a team where he has the freedom to pick his races more on the climbers side, while there these places are taken from Frankiny (who will be outstanding). The squad support is great, even if Ranaweera will suffer quite a lot from the tougher competition. I really like the support the team has, but they seem to lack the leader they need to survive as the support guys lack the riders to ride for. I slightly get Kraftwerk vibes by the team, but not on enough terrains. The leaders might not be good enough to justify the Sauber-approach, but if they can get the race selection done and plan very carefully to work their awesome secondary climbers there is a possibility to survive.

jandal: To see a team form not one but two trains filled up with actually good domestiques and not one-stat wonders is a very nice achievement and I count five guys who should be leading themselves at least some of the time to benefit from that, so it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility to imagine this approach working - with brilliant planning and some luck, to be sure. Some will say it’s worth sacrificing a bit of the depth for a rudimentary cobbler and a better sprinter… and I’d surely agree, I’m not sure how bands and RDs will work out but even if they suit having five major scorers in two and a half terrains as perfectly as is possible they’re still going to go into many RDs with no hope at all. But maybe full sending it is actually the way to go - in for a penny, I guess. Will be interesting to follow and actually I reckon very fun to plan, albeit while having the stress of a nearly-assured relegation scrap weighing on you.

AbhishekLFC: They had a hard time rebuilding this off season beyond the early capture of Van Garderen. I fear they will once again be in the relegation picture like a couple of seasons ago. I like Ranaweera as a young climber with lots of training potential but I'm not sure him and TVG will have enough firepower to keep them safe. They do have some decent support, in especially Slagter is a decent option to have in any team, but it's a question mark to me whether they'll get enough liberty to contribute effectively.

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AbhishekLFC671013
Croatia14681003
jandal7761015
knockout661015


Team Popo p/b Nemiroff


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Darijus Dzervus73546671737275577777716576x31
Michel Sibilla70536257716764806563786257x33
Nicolae Tanovitchii72687660757271576271796860x28
Deins Kanepejs70677769727170556271686569x26
Andrii Bratashcuk69717758757069526267657958x29
Volodymyr Dzhus65767064747468555875706364x28
Dries De Bondt76626757726968727476766157x30
Stanislaw Aniolkowski72616456727273607575576359324
Roman Gladysh70667263707070617072706865326
Andriy Orlov69587667746869556370746467x29
Wojciech Pszczolarski73607074687267537172686577x30
Vadim Pronskiy63726862717073586169686962323
Martin Papanov67696866686869546566676670122


Talking Points

knockout: Team Popo does not look stronger than last season. Pluchkin might still be the top dog in the division but he probably won’t be as dominant as he once was. Padun’s training obviously made him stronger but the 2021 duo Pluchkin + Padun is not stronger than the 2020 duo Pluchkin + Padun. And while the team management might hope that the hills department can improve due to the returning Budyak, I think the duo of Prevar and Budyak will combine for less than Prevar scored on his own in 2020 (492 points) due to the increase in top level puncheurs in the PCT. I expect the team to once again miss out on the direct promotion spots narrowly like in past seasons.

AbhishekLFC: Now or never mate! But we can almost be sure that Pluchkin will be a bigger pain for the PT than the PCT, so it’s a moot point again?

Croatia14: Now or never is the right call. I might disagree with knockout on Pluchkin and Padun (still on u25-points!!), because the opposition got a little weaker and thus they’ll be even more effective. For me it was always planning that held them back, but they should’ve learned their lesson till now. Still they have dead wood in their squad though, and still they have no cobbler, no sprinter and no TT guy that looks respectable (out-TMMed as knockout called it at Sauber?!). It’s about climbing and hills, and while hills may see them weakening (I don’t trust Ackermann, Prevar won’t score as much and Budyak will only be useful in C2), they can score even more in the mountain races with Tenorio gone. With the support they have in the mountains (that will score them depth points and team classifications) they should promote if they get their planning right and finally focus on that. But they should’ve done in the past either, so don’t have them as a lock in your books.

jandal: Who knows anymore - I can’t imagine what being a fan of this team must be like, seeing the same conversation about if this is the year while the team remains at a standstill as Padun’s improvement fill in the gaps of Pluchkin’s decline, as the team gets predicted just outside the direct promotion spots and then finishes slightly too far outside. However if you offered most teams the chance to be always in the top 10 of the division, while having plenty of wins to cheer and one of the best talents around coming to the fore, they’d surely take it. However we know the manager and fans surely want a step up and once again… yeah they definitely could do it? I think Padun and Pluchkin are a great combo who should score more than before as Pluchkin looks a little more vulnerable but still top dog as he was last year while Padun will have a mega year I am sure of it. Aside from those two changing stats there’s really not much to say - they have the same “base strength” so to speak, it’s just about the fact that last year that strength couldn’t get them promoted - is the top third of the table weaker by enough that they can? I think so, but much like the fans of the team I’ve been burned before - I’ll only believe it when they’re on the startline in Tasmania in 2022.

Team Popo4EverMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC1052224
Croatia141051115
jandal71063227
knockout1052227


Team UBS


FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPRXPAge
Simone Ponzi74718266746973667477757266x34
Patrick Schelling71807572757673545870677271x31
Lukas Spengler74586662727376836170676365x27
Daniele Dall'Oste70767667717475565871737167x30
Patrick Müller70658063767170686672756363x25
Geoffrey Bouchard70777467707276556270787666x29
Sebastien Reichenbach71737967766973576369736767x32
Tom Bohli74636870797565777468666873x27
Thery Schir67777272737274505965696872x28
Silvan Dillier70516480747767686162746379x31
Matteo Badilatti67767565677271556065736265x29
Jose Goncalves70737178767274535765597466x32
Martin Schäppi72646775747269766668706075x25
Phan Age Haugard72576079747770565767736579x29
Artur Grigrian68767172726871505673625672x32
Dominik Fuchs68757268757173555864676567x31
Arnaud Grand72586563747068776565646067x31
Jorge Abreu73737375757173545273796775x31
Daniil Fominykh74566777747168546469616376x30
Basilio Ramos Ticona69707475717167505469745571x32
Johan Jacobs72606762727265736366707260324
Nik Cemazar68696868686969566164666667122


Talking Points

knockout: In the past, many relegated PT teams have successfully achieved direct promotion back to PT without a lot of changes in their squad. And UBS looks to be a strong candidate to do so as well. They have Spengler who should do a lot better in PCT than in PT with decent support, Dilliers with a strong TTT team around him, Schelling with very strong support and of course Ponzi with an epic support squad. The team should be able to score lots of depth points in everything but sprints and looks set to compete for the promotion spots.

Croatia14: Will Spengler do that much better though? The competition doesn’t look a lot worse, he can’t make use on the significantly more hills to the cobbled races in C1/HC and still misses the final kick. I think he’ll score well to be a Top50 scorer in the division, but not a lot more. The TTT team looks set however, and Abreu is an undervalued asset I absolutely love for the hybrid races. He should be great with Goncalves. Schelling will blossom in PCT if used right, I agree to that, and the depth looks set.

Will it be enough to promote back up? The experience of manager Bushwackers speaks in favor of that, the team does as well. Ponzi is a stud, my pick for the best puncheur due to his sprint. Contrary to knockout I have questions about the support as I don’t like Müller and think Reichenbach is okay. But with the depth in every terrain, a great rider to fill every race day (besides mandatory sprint races) and great C2 and PTHC options it’s UBS’es to lose in terms of promotion.

jandal: This is a very very nice looking team - I’m saying it a lot but it’s well put together with the depth and support and the leaders look great - Ponzi still has it even if he’s not the clear #1 as in years gone by - and as Croatia said he may still end up there, and has two domestiques better than some team’s leaders in the hills. I think Schelling is a great PCT MO/HI rider in the (slightly worse) mould of a Monsalve, Yates or Bennett if he goes to the right races, especially with his TT giving him advantage over many of the pure climbers. I think I said already I don’t have a clue what Spengler is like and so I’ve just been assuming he’s like fifth or sixth or seventh best in the cobbles? Which is still very good especially with one of the best support squads (hey remember 2016 when teams actually tried having a full cobbles set-up?). Dillier and the TTT squad look dangerous in what is a very open field for both individual and team time trials (Zmorka aside). The yo-yo may very well continue for them - it would be nice to see them and Farfetch can actually ride in a division together instead of taking turns being in the PT since 2016!

AbhishekLFC: I think they should be knocking on promotion’s door (yes, I did that!) this season for a return to PT, but it isn’t as clear cut as maybe with Aker and cycleYorkshire from my point of view. Ponzi and Spengler should be good in the classics in their respective domains, while Schelling should also get consistent results. The support is excellent for all three terrains. They have always been a formidable TTT outfit and that continues as well. Top 5 should be within reach though, barring some major under-performances.

Team UBSMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC680574
Croatia14590681
jandal7680684
knockout670573


Tryg - Ritter Sport


FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPRXPAge
Toms Skujins70708359807773676876666659x30
Tim Wellens72827572798076626368647072x30
Daniel Hoelgaard72747765727272626874736965x28
Andris Smirnovs68687756746967687278787056x31
Max Kanter73636767747176707778657166424
Bjorn Tore Hoem67777267746974535862617267x30
Nur Aiman Zariff68586060706576607878606770424
Mikkel Honore70677566727270676573717066424
Casper Pedersen74616767737571637575716976425
Mathias Norsgaard72626577687364625766565975424
Andreas Kron71667465727268646569706964323
Frederik Rodenberg70606263687363597475636369323
Joris Nieuwenhuis73636860677263687073627560325
Tobias Johannessen66716864677069606771657163122
Magnus Bak Klaris70616764686965716466616464325
Torjus Sleen68696971677071606368706469324
Felix Gross68606062647165607273606062223
Yesid Albeiro Pira62726662646568606064636061122
Oier Lazkano64646959646763606468716159122
Juri Hollmann68626569666862686163616567122
Rasmus Iversen69626368656665656264656468124
Xabier Mikel Azparren65616370656565606263656268122


Talking Points

AbhishekLFC: Love Wellens and Skuijns but who else scores for them? Those two are good enough to keep them safe comfortably, but if even one wobbles this season, all that hard work in the transfer window could come undone very fast. Wellens should be a Top 3 climber, and Skuijns should be a Top 5 puncher. Check the table from last season and see where it would get them...

knockout: Wellens and Skujins should mark an outstanding transfer season for any team, absolute standout riders who could be PT leaders with 3 seasons in their prime left. Two riders of such a great quality should make every team comfortable to avoid relegation but are they actually safe? There are question marks behind each of their leaders that actually make me question that:
The abundance of big names on the hills can lead to worse scoring than you might expect and I hope Skujins’ schedule can avoid a couple of trap races that either feature too difficult profiles (e.g. Balkans International) or too much TTing to maximize his scoring.
Wellens will have downright bad support at times. Hoelgaard can’t be everywhere for Skujins and Wellens so the entire support at some of his races will consist of just Bjorn Tore Hoem and level 1 talents. Couple that with the fact that Wellens is neither an explosive rider nor a rider that can create advantages on the TT bike and I’m worried that he might score significantly less than he should do.
Outside of these worries, I struggle to see where the depth scoring should come from - Hoelgaard better be busy playing the babysitter for his two leaders for every single race day of his season while Hoem doesn’t look like an attacker either. Kanter looks like the only cobbler and / or sprinter of note and he might get a lucky dice roll once or twice on a stage but hardly gonna be big points. And Smirnovs has nice attacking stats and versatility so might get sth going but has to race mostly for Skujins too. Outside of these two, there isn't anything - the team looks a bit like the cycling equivalent of putting Haaland and Mbappe in a team with kindergarten kids. Can such a team win?

Croatia14: Can they win? Probably yes, if it’s some sort of shootout between the team captains, as we often see at the end of hilly classics or ____/ climbers races. But as soon as the road has major rises before they might be in trouble. Dropping back to get bottles yourself is a huge struggle, but if they have Hoem for Wellens and Hoelgaard + Smirnovs for Skujins they should be somehow safe. I have no doubts about Wellens scoring big, but can Skujins do it? In a normal year I would’ve been sure, this year I’d rather would’ve kept Cort (would’ve been great in the PCT competition this year) and got another one (but how would you guess this competition?).

My issue is that there is absolutely nobody that can score any points, not even in the C2 races. They will rely on u25 points, Wellens and Skujins. Wellens should be a Top5-10 scorer, but Skujins might be overpowered by the competition on hills. Are one and a half stars enough to keep you safe? Summerhill managed to do it with Vanspeybrouck, but the AI was kinder to attacks last year which benefitted Andorra while Tryg suffers from it and the division is stronger. A tough year ahead for Tryg, but if they survive it they’re one of the first 2022 promotion contenders to PT with their core.

jandal: Very much the opposite to some of the teams they’ll be battling with in the lower mid table (I’d guess) with the two huge guns (who are incredible pick-ups for a promoting outfit!) and not much else - I’d expect Hoelgaard to score decently and maybe even worth leading himself once or twice, and Smirnovs is nice enough, but after that you struggle - maybe Kanter can do a bit in U25 points but otherwise Nieuwenhuis and Honore look like the only ones who can even do anything from breakaways, it will be super dry for them and as Croatia points out PCM20 is said to be less kind to such minor scoring. However with leaders like Wellens and Skujins who will be near the top of their respective fields, you potentially don’t need much else. And as Croatia said I think with the awesome acquisitions of the top two to hopefully keep them safe, with the amount of level 3 and 4 guys they have, and two genuine stars with years to go before decline, the future is super bright for Tryg Racing if they can make it work this year.

Tryg - Ritter SportMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC893010
Croatia14881011
jandal7892111
knockout791011


Voyagin - Bird


FLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPRXPAge
Tomohiro Kinoshita73728366807773596877737166x30
Chen Shikai72817176747678555766596976x29
Jiankun Liu74636763766980658080646867x26
Sindre Skjostad Lunke69787273767478586064686976x28
Saya Kuroeda74536367727375777478636471x26
Jingbiao Zhao74586566687474587781567178x26
Shiki Kuroeda72637052767782767673677163x29
Rei Onodera74666978757471616568646875x26
Yamato Shirota68757558696873556378735858x27
Yudai Arashiro81606462716773687075786866x26
Tushantha Rajapakshage72647076717268615069755478x29
King Lok Cheung75596777727469576366647277x30
Leszek Plucinski71737271707071596970696970x31
Jacob Salcone71727074677070505263706475x32
Xianjing Lyu65707362727270506371687364323
Yuriy Natarov63736867636874606565765666325
Andrea Bagioli69687068706966606970706570122
Mingrun Chen68716862707373566567566362225
Shoi Matsuda69656968657060606769606370122
Itsuki Koide67666766626563606066606364122
Pierre Barbier67586263676867666969606463124


Talking Points

Croatia14: Obviously you gotta talk about the releases first: I’m sure Kuboki at least could’ve been avoided, I bet some teams would’ve paid quite something to get him. Still the team looks very well set: No important rider is older than 30, which is awesome. Kinoshita should be the 2nd best rider in the division after Pluchkin (maybe Ewan), eventhough he won’t score as much due to the hill competition. But he’s one of the rare puncheurs that should ensure your team safety.

The team on a whole however will be one of the least flashy teams in the division. The secondary leaders should be the Zubeldia-type riders that work in this game to an extent as they’ll score GC points. I hate the look of Shikai, but I can’t deny that his skillset will work at least to score solid. I love the Kuroeda-brothers, eventhough I’m not sure they can score against the top-end competition. Homegrown Jiankun Liu is a boom or bust type of sprinter, I can see him doing very well surfing trains.

All in all this team will most probably be a silent midtable table. If Kinoshita has an awesome year they might push for single digits, if he has an absolutely awful year they might fear relegation, but in a normal year they are set and have a good base to build on for next year with no declines on the horizon.

knockout: Just like Croatia, i have to mention the releases first: They caught me completely by surprise because the last time i had read about their availability was 60 hours prior to that where Hayakawa still had an asking price of 300k with a tentative offer in place and Kuboki was supposed to be “quite cheap” - I would definitely have expected some more scrambling to get a deal done and am quite sure that the double sacking was a case of wasted money.

Looking at the team that is actually still there - Kinoshita is of course still the face of the team. And like once or twice in the past, he looks like he could be the best puncheur of the PCT division - although there is a big but this year: How many synonyms are there to write about the plentitude of rivals? Notable is that his support this season is shockingly terrible for a just relegated PT team that surely had him in every single one of their transfer plans. Which could cause issues for the team. Shikai and Lunke are two very solid stage racers who will surely contribute to the team scoring while the Kuroeda brothers and newly maxed Liu are like a loot box that could be terrible (they combined for 203 PT points last season) but could also score surprisingly well in certain races.

AbhishekLFC: Kinoshita for the hilly wins, Shikai for the stage racing consistency, but it’s a bit of a big drop after that! I personally do like the Kuroedas, but they’re more of a regular Top 10 threat than anything else, with maybe a couple of better results thrown in along the way. Liu is ok, but that low resistance is a problem for consistent results. The TTT team is decent I guess. I completely agree with knockout’s last line about their secondary leaders, either they can bring in a lot of points, which could actually send this team close to the promotion spots, or go the other way and fail miserably, leading to them being lower mid table at best, or even in relegation danger at worst.

jandal: Like the first two said the team does look different and not in the best way without Hayakawa and Kuboki, I really don’t like Liu to fill that gap but he’s not as bad as I thought on first glance and should be alright, especially if he manages to target the right races. Not sure what Zhao can do but his skillset isn’t bad - wish he had a better leader if he is to be a leadout man. Shikai is the kind of guy with his low HI and ACC I think this preview is always going to be a bit biased against but he’s proven quality and we’d be ill advised to forget he has the third best TT out of anyone above 77MO and the second best over 80, as well as comparable energy stats to his rivals. So maybe a standard schedule fits him if he can target races where he can use that to his advantage and even threaten the podium, but he also screams Tour of America winner to me if that’s the way the team wants to go with him. Kinoshita is hot stuff as always and I always enjoy seeing him as the face of the team, so cool to have a staple home-built legend like that for a outfit. Obviously we all love the Kuroeda’s statlines and will never miss a chance to shout them out in this preview, but as you guys said they’re far from guaranteed scorers. Maybe shooting for a couple of TTers and/or a top one to make a top train could have been an option for them given what they have already? Either way I think they’re safe but not shooting back up without a lot of overperformances.

Voyagin - BirdMOHISPCBTTHYB
AbhishekLFC694354
Croatia14394333
jandal7683464
knockout583334

Edited by Croatia14 on 27-10-2021 22:12
 
Croatia14
’Statistical’ Outcome


This is a ranking prediction based on the grades we gave the teams in the part above. First we rank all the statistical terrain outcomes, to then add them up to a full scale qualitative comparative analysis-prediction.

Mountain
1Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff10
2Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam8.5
3Carlsberg - Danske Bank8.3
4Assa Abloy8
5Tryg - Ritter Sport7.8
5Jura - Fiat7.5
5Polar7.5
8Aker - MOT7.3
9cycleYorkshire6.8
9Philips - Force India6.8
11Los Pollos Hermanos6.5
12Kraftwerk Man Machine6.3
12Sauber Petronas Racing6.3
14Cedevita6
14Duolingo6
16Team UBS5.8
17Minions5.3
18Voyagin - Bird5
19Red Bull Zalgiris4.8
20Binance Cycling4.5
20Project: Africa4.5
22Carrefour - ESPN4
23Indosat - Ooredoo3.8
24Eurosport x GCN3.5
25Bralirwa - Stevens3
26Podium Ambition0


Hill
1Tryg - Ritter Sport8.8
2Voyagin - Bird8.5
2Project: Africa8.5
4Minions8.3
5Team UBS8
6Cedevita7.5
7Aker - MOT7.3
8Philips - Force India6.8
8Sauber Petronas Racing6.8
10Duolingo6.5
11Polar5.5
12Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff5.3
13cycleYorkshire5
14Binance Cycling4.8
15Kraftwerk Man Machine4.5
16Carrefour - ESPN4.3
17Jura - Fiat4
17Red Bull Zalgiris4
19Indosat - Ooredoo3.8
20Eurosport x GCN3
21Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam2.8
22Assa Abloy2.3
23Carlsberg - Danske Bank1.8
23Bralirwa - Stevens1.8
25Los Pollos Hermanos1
26Podium Ambition0.8


Sprints
1Podium Ambition9.5
2Binance Cycling8.8
3Carrefour - ESPN7.5
4Los Pollos Hermanos7
5Indosat - Ooredoo6.5
6Bralirwa - Stevens6
7Carlsberg - Danske Bank5.8
8Minions5.3
8Cedevita5.3
8Kraftwerk Man Machine5.3
8Eurosport x GCN5.3
12Assa Abloy4.8
13cycleYorkshire4.5
13Red Bull Zalgiris4.5
15Jura - Fiat3.8
16Voyagin - Bird3.5
16Duolingo3.5
18Philips - Force India3.3
18Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam3.3
20Polar2.3
21Project: Africa2
21Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff2
23Tryg - Ritter Sport1.8
24Sauber Petronas Racing1
25Aker - MOT0.3
26Team UBS0


Cobbles
1Eurosport x GCN8.8
2Bralirwa - Stevens8.3
2Carlsberg - Danske Bank8.3
4Podium Ambition7
5Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam6.5
6Carrefour - ESPN5.8
6Minions5.8
8Team UBS5.5
9Assa Abloy5
9Aker - MOT5
11Binance Cycling3.8
11Philips - Force India3.8
13Voyagin - Bird3.3
14Polar3
15cycleYorkshire2.5
15Duolingo2.5
17Cedevita1.8
17Kraftwerk Man Machine1.8
17Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff1.8
20Red Bull Zalgiris1.5
21Jura - Fiat0.8
21Project: Africa0.8
23Los Pollos Hermanos0.5
24Tryg - Ritter Sport0.3
25Indosat - Ooredoo0
25Sauber Petronas Racing0


Time Trial
1cycleYorkshire9.3
2Los Pollos Hermanos8.8
3Polar8.5
4Team UBS7.5
5Aker - MOT7.3
6Red Bull Zalgiris7
7Duolingo6.8
8Bralirwa - Stevens6
8Project: Africa6
10Assa Abloy4.5
10Kraftwerk Man Machine4.5
12Voyagin - Bird4.3
13Podium Ambition3.8
14Minions3.5
15Indosat - Ooredoo3.3
16Carlsberg - Danske Bank2.3
16Cedevita2.3
16Jura - Fiat2.3
19Carrefour - ESPN1.8
19Philips - Force India1.8
19Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff1.8
22Binance Cycling1.5
23Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam1.3
24Tryg - Ritter Sport1
25Eurosport x GCN0.8
25Sauber Petronas Racing0.8


Hybrids
1Aker - MOT8.3
2Polar7.8
3Red Bull Zalgiris7.3
4Cedevita7
4Carrefour - ESPN7
6Carlsberg - Danske Bank6.8
7Philips - Force India6.5
8Project: Africa6.3
9cycleYorkshire5.8
9Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff5.8
11Indosat - Ooredoo5.5
12Duolingo4.8
13Bralirwa - Stevens4.3
13Assa Abloy4.3
15Podium Ambition4
15Sauber Petronas Racing4
17Los Pollos Hermanos3.8
17Voyagin - Bird3.8
17Binance Cycling3.8
17Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam3.8
21Kraftwerk Man Machine3.5
21Minions3.5
21Jura - Fiat3.5
24Team UBS3
25Eurosport x GCN1
26Tryg - Ritter Sport0.8


Now that we've seen all terrain rakings, we can put them together to one statistical prediction. Note that due to calendar and accessibility constraints terrains are differently graded and the better terrains of each team emphasized in the final QCA ranking. This ranking is not completely useful as a final prediction, but more of a hint on how team strengths might be distributed throughtout the divisions without assessing non-quantifiable aspects of respective teams.

Overall
1Carlsberg - Danske Bank57.9
2Aker - MOT56.325
3Polar55.875
4cycleYorkshire53.475
5Team UBS52.025
6Cedevita51.65
7Minions51.025
8Los Pollos Hermanos50.9
9Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff50.5
10Carrefour - ESPN49.45
11Project: Africa48.925
12Philips - Force India48.6
13Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam48.15
14Podium Ambition47.7
15Duolingo47.525
16Tryg - Ritter Sport47.225
17Bralirwa - Stevens47.125
18Binance Cycling46.625
19Red Bull Zalgiris46.125
20Assa Abloy46.1
21Voyagin - Bird45.675
22Eurosport x GCN43.675
23Kraftwerk Man Machine42.275
24Jura - Fiat40.025
25Sauber Petronas Racing39.825
26Indosat - Ooredoo39.6

Edited by Croatia14 on 28-10-2021 18:07
 
Croatia14
Part 5: ‘Expert’ Predictions


In this final segment we shared our subjective predictions on the 2021 season. You will find some similarities and some differences, but we all did our best to create an independent ranking.

AbhishekLFC
1Aker - MOT
2cycleYorkshire
3Polar
4Team UBS
5Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
6Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam
7Carlsberg - Danske Bank
8Assa Abloy
9Binance Cycling
10Red Bull Zalgiris
11Duolingo
12Minions
13Kraftwerk Man Machine
14Voyagin - Bird
15Cedevita
16Los Pollos Hermanos
17Carrefour - ESPN
18Project: Africa
19Tryg - Ritter Sport
20Philips - Force India
21Bralirwa - Stevens
22Eurosport x GCN
23Jura - Fiat
24Indosat - Ooredoo
25Podium Ambition
26Sauber Petronas Racing


Croatia14
1Aker - MOT
2Assa Abloy
3Team UBS
4Carlsberg - Danske Bank
5Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
6cycleYorkshire
7Polar
8Red Bull Zalgiris
9Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam
10Voyagin - Bird
11Binance Cycling
12Minions
13Kraftwerk Man Machine
14Los Pollos Hermanos
15Project: Africa
16Podium Ambition
17Duolingo
18Bralirwa - Stevens
19Philips - Force India
20Cedevita
21Tryg - Ritter Sport
22Indosat - Ooredoo
23Eurosport x GCN
24Carrefour - ESPN
25Sauber Petronas Racing
26Jura - Fiat


jandal7
1Polar
2Aker - MOT
3cycleYorkshire
4Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
5Team UBS
6Carlsberg - Danske Bank
7Assa Abloy
8Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam
9Voyagin - Bird
10Philips - Force India
11Binance Cycling
12Kraftwerk Man Machine
13Duolingo
14Minions
15Cedevita
16Project: Africa
17Tryg - Ritter Sport
18Los Pollos Hermanos
19Podium Ambition
20Red Bull Zalgiris
21Carrefour - ESPN
22Indosat - Ooredoo
23Sauber Petronas Racing
24Bralirwa - Stevens
25Eurosport x GCN
26Jura - Fiat


Knockout
1Aker - MOT
2Polar
3Team UBS
4cycleYorkshire
5Carlsberg - Danske Bank
6Assa Abloy
7Team Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
8Kraftwerk Man Machine
9Philips - Force India
10Binance Cycling
11Minions
12Lierse SK - Pizza Ulloa PCTeam
13Duolingo
14Project: Africa
15Carrefour - ESPN
16Red Bull Zalgiris
17Los Pollos Hermanos
18Voyagin - Bird
19Cedevita
20Bralirwa - Stevens
21Tryg - Ritter Sport
22Podium Ambition
23Eurosport x GCN
24Indosat - Ooredoo
25Sauber Petronas Racing
26Jura - Fiat


And as every year: One final overview of the predictions of us four.

2021 Predictions

AbhishekCroatiajandalKnockout
1Aker - MOTAker - MOTPolarAker - MOT
2cycleYorkshireAssa AbloyAker - MOTPolar
3PolarTeam UBScycleYorkshireTeam UBS
4Team UBSCarlsbergPopo4EvercycleYorkshire
5Popo4EverPopo4EverTeam UBSCarlsberg
6Lierse SKcycleYorkshireCarlsbergAssa Abloy
7CarlsbergPolarAssa AbloyPopo4Ever
8Assa AbloyRed BullLierseKraftwerk
9BinanceLierse SKVoyaginPhilips
10Red BullVoyaginPhilipsBinance
11DuolingoBinanceBinanceMinions
12MinionsMinionsKraftwerkLierse SK
13KraftwerkKraftwerkDuolingoDuolingo
14VoyaginLos PollosMinionsProject: Africa
15CedevitaProject: AfricaCedevitaCarrefour
16Los PollosPodium A.Project: AfricaRed Bull
17CarrefourDuolingoTrygLos Pollos
18Project: AfricaBralirwaLos PollosVoyagin
19TrygPhilipsPodiumCedevita
20PhilipsCedevitaRed BullBralirwa
21BralirwaTrygCarrefourTryg
22EurosportIndosatIndosatPodium A.
23Jura - FiatEurosportSauberEurosport
24IndosatCarrefourBralirwaIndosat
25Podium A.SauberEurosportSauber
26SauberJura - FiatJura - FiatJura - Fiat


That was the 2021 Conglomerate preview. Thank you for your attention. We hope you enjoyed the read! Do you agree with our opinions or are we completely missevaluating everything? Let us know what you think and follow up with some fruitful discussion!
Edited by knockout on 28-10-2021 20:29
 
Ollfardh
Oh yes, give it to me guys!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Croatia14
Parts 1-3 are in now, let us know what you think so far Wink

Spoiler
and be hyped for tomorrow Wink
 
Ollfardh
Guess I'm in for a very mediocre season. Not in trouble according to you guys, but nothing too good about the two mentions I get for Oomen and Bonifazio. Well, Novak got a mention as well, but it came from Croatia so yeah Pfft
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
TheManxMissile
Y'all seem convinced that Altur had a good season in 2020, i'll still argue he's the MG's worst return on a training spend.
I appreciate the confidence there are no clear relegation favourites, even if that does feel a little off for my own squad and one or two others. But i imagine your final rankings will have the expected 3 pretty close to the bottom.
Looking forwards to the team deep dives Smile
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knockout
Ollfardh wrote:
Guess I'm in for a very mediocre season. Not in trouble according to you guys, but nothing too good about the two mentions I get for Oomen and Bonifazio. Well, Novak got a mention as well, but it came from Croatia so yeah Pfft


The talking points in the next update include far more thoughts on your team and i promise that not only Croatia mentions Novak there Wink

@TMM: I'm curious who you see as the obvious three at the bottom since i really don't think it's that obvious and looking at the two released ones (jph & redordead) and the ones you'll see later in this thread, there are some differences in the bottom 3 Wink

Regarding Altur: I think that Altur performed pretty much within margins of error of what could be expected of him - he never had great backup stats and the training didn't remove that performance ceiling. My personal wild guess is that he will score similar or potentially slightly (!) above what he scored last season.
 
Fabianski
I definitely hope that Quintana will be better than "just fine", although I do agree that climbers with more punch will likely score more points. His energy stats aren't bad at all, though, so I hope he'll be hard to drop. With a complete lack of sprint and low Acc even for a climber, he probably won't win a lot though, I agree. I hope I got the best out of his planning, even though there's unfortunately not that much choice in the PCT mountains.

Reinhardt definitely is a big risk given the change of game version. That's why I asked if anyone could explain the gameplay differences between PCM18 and PCM20 for those who don't have the new version, but either no-one noticed anything, or they just wanted to keep their findings secret... Reinhardt's acceleration will hopefully still give him the edge over some similar sprinters, though. He did very well in HC races last year, and if he can perform to a similar level, I'll be happy.

All in all, I can definitely see us as relegation candidates - and especially the lack of breakaway success that was mentioned (and that I had no idea of, so I planned with breakaway riders ^^) could really hurt us.
On the other hand, Moscon might be somewhat under the radar, given that he's "just" 79Hi - but with his Mo and energy stats, he regularly kept up with Kelderman in C2HC and C1 - HC and PTHC will obviously be a different story. Still, his OVL is higher than quite some 80/81 puncheurs', so there's hope Wink

Looking forward to get an expert view of my team, as my own assessment is obviously biased Wink
And as I said, would have been great to get some PCM20 insights before transfers, but well...
 
Ollfardh
Fabianski wrote:
And as I said, would have been great to get some PCM20 insights before transfers, but well...


Yeah, definitely. I hoped we had learned from what happened when we went to PCM18 and suddenly half the puncheurs became useless. Maybe I'm reading too much in what Croatia is saying about sprint AI, but it does sound like something that should've been adressed earlier.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
thanks for the discussion. Good to get the juices flowing for the season.

@Croatia - interested in what you mean by the the sprint AI "depends a lot on how reporting will be handled". Is there something you would like to see reporters do?

On PCM18 to PCM20 - my rerun of the Giro was available and I think highlights both issues noted: that breakaways win less and sprints are no cleaner. That probably wasn't conclusive but I think it at least provided some sign posts.
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