I have been working for months on a 2006 Database. Watching films of old races from that year. And I keep tweaking the rates. One case is really difficult : my man, Jan Ullrich. The difficulty is to find the good ratio MO/RES for him.
I know this has already been a subject on some other posts (Ullrich has already been discuted). I have read every guide french and english.
When you think about Ullrich, you think about strengh. He was so powerful. A "Big engine". Normally, in the game, "big engine" means a lot of RES. Because he can keep powering thru climbs and TT. So he should have a lot of RES right ? Like 79 or 80 (max for this DB : 80).
His watts are absolutly crazy : 430, 440 watts in some climbs. Even 480 in 1997. Even his watts per kilo were good.
At his peak, Ullrich should be 80-81 MO and 79-80 RES.
BUT...
Like we all know, Jan was always overweight. His fitness was the problem. His mental. But you can't rate this in the game. So here's my problem.
If you let him be 80 MO and 80 RES in the game, he will win every GT. By the way, Im playing with T-Mobile, game is already not that hard, I don't want to win by 5 minutes the Tour de France.
Even overweight, Ullrich still had a lot of watts in Mountain. He could go really fast despite being somewhere between 73 and 78 kg (71 in 1997). So I would say he can keep his 80 MO.
But because of his weight, I feel like, at some point, he could not keep is effort anymore at the end of stages. So thats RES right ? U have to lower the RES ?
Like 80 MO but 75 RES.
RES, END, ACC, REC are supposed to be the "physical rates" right ? So if his fitness is not good, you lower the physical rates right ?
Because the other option is to analyse it the other way : Ullrich is overweight so he needs A LOT of RES to keep going. U keep his 79-80 RES. But at the same time, because he is overweight, his watts per kilos is a bit lower, so he goes a little bit slower in the mountain ? 78 MO ?
What do you guys think (if some experts can help ) ?
Ullrich : 80 MO and 75 RES
Or
Ullrich : 78 MO and 79 RES
(Or 80 MO - 79 RES and I voluntary f*** up his preparation when I play with him)
Short answer: definitely 78 mountain, 79 res. Absolutely not (!) 80/75. Seriously, that's a climber that has no resemblence to Ullrich!
Long answer:
1, If you're talking about rating for 2006, then prime Ullrich is irrelevant. You only need to concern yourself with the Ullrich that was current then, not the rider he was in ~1997.
2. https://www.procy...view/start
If you look at his career, he was always crap until May, then consistently top 5 from June on. That's no being overweight all year. That's spending the first half of the year on getting into shape and being world class once he got there.
If you want to reflect that, start every season on the lowest fitness %. But don't mess up his base stats.
4, For added realism, act as dumb as possible with him. It happened a few times that even though he was the team captain, his domestiques were sitting in the bunch and he was pulling near the start of a mountain with 30+ riders in the peloton. I don't know what the hell were they thinking, but it wasn't smart.
It was part of the reason why he couldn't keep up at the end of certain stages. Wasn't for being overweight. It was beind dumb and spending energy on getting into the wind well before any other team leader did.
Yes, of course, the 97 Ullrich is not relevant in this case.
I think he was a bit overweighted tho. Even at the start of tour, each year, he still had a few more kilos than his "ideal weight".
The thing with the MO ratings, it impacts the speed in Mountain right ? Ullrich was not that slower than the other climbers, even the slimer ones. he had more power (more watts) and when he was in shape... his watts per kilo (which measure your ability to climb or kind of) was better than some pur climber like Gilberto Simoni. But with 2 or 3 more kg, which was the case at the start of every tour, he was in difficulty in every first moutain summit. But a part from that, was he really slower than a Leipheimer, a Sastre, a Mancebo or a Menchov in mountain ? Im not sur.
He could go as fast as them... but cracked before them most of the time (without being completly dropped). If RES impacts how long u can keep your effort, a rider with lower res should cracks before someone else (with same moutain abilities in this case) no ?
He was bad at changing pace too, thats why I would give him a low ACC (somewhere like 68).
In the 2005 tour, he was the only one following Basso and Armstrong the last week (well, here thats REC).
That being said, you're right, he did not win a mountain stage at all during his last years...
In the Cyanide database, the default one, which I find interesting to study, the pur TT specialist dont have a lot of RES for exemple. Rarely over 74. Because most of them are not made for pace changing races, like Ullrich.
Completly agree with you for the low fitness in career mode.
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