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Scouting questions
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| nutter_bed |
Posted on 12-08-2008 17:53
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Hi
PCM08 is my first go at cycling and I'm really enjoying it.
I've been around the site for a few weeks looking at threads and getting helpful hints although I don't think I've seen much on scouting so I would appreciate some help.
I'm playing as CSC until I get used to the game.
1. How many scouts should I have?
(Currently 4 mythical. Is that too many or not enough?)
2. When they go to an area to scout, how long should I leave them there for to get the best use of them?
3. How long should they monitor prospects?
Also, a couple of other questions away from scouting.
1. I'm making a loss each month. Should I be making money or do I just get a new budget at the start of next season?
2. For a team of 30 riders, is 6 mythical trainers too many?
I would appreciate some help from you guys as you have a lot of knowledge about the game and I want to try and get a better grip of things before I really start a proper career.
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| alex153 |
Posted on 12-08-2008 18:01
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Scouting
1.I use 3 most of the time, which works quite well
2.Depends, I tend to choose 3 countries and just leave them there for 8-9 months at least, so that they get good kowledge of the place.
3.40-60 days
other questions
1.You get a new budget next year, and how much is depending on your results.
2.Depends on your budget I think, for big Pro Tour teams I have 3-4, smaller 2-3, and continental 1-2 since they don't have as many riders with potential. |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 12-08-2008 18:01
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the more scouts, the more area's you can monitor so the better chance you find a talent. You should usually let a scout stay in an area for a complete season to get a good vieuw of the area. But when you see certain riders winning a lot of U23 races, send a scout from an area where you dont fiond many talents and send him to the country of the winner  let them monitor the riders untill you see their most important stats, which is the only reason you'd want to monitor them really...
and you get a new budget every year  its calculated so that you should have enough money, and 6 scouts is certainly not too many |
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| awal3207 |
Posted on 13-08-2008 02:17
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You shouldnt be losing money.
1. Scouts are not really that important. Develpoping talent takes a long time and i like to play every race so chance are i wont play a career lasting more than 5-10 yrs befrore the new version comes out. I have chosen to sign only 1-2 'future great' riders per year so for that i only need at most 2-3 scouts of regional, national, or international expertise.
2. Do all your rostered riders race 40-60 days per year and perform there required roles? If not ditch them when they come off contract and sign riders more suitable. Your are already CSC and have a fantastic roster plus Andy Schkleck is still young. Many of your riders are getting older so maybe you need to think about poaching younger riders with good credentials from other Pro tour or Continental teams. Make sure people you buy have a specific role in terms of your sponsers goals. No point wasting money on a sprinter if your sponsor doesnt care about sprinters.
3. You do not really need mythical trainers, scouts or doctors. In the whole scheme of things it doesnt make much difference. I tend to hire international/mythical scouts only for my top riders (The Schlecks in your case are worth investing in) and maybe for young 'future great' riders or other riders i see a long term future for at my team. If a rider is 35+ years of age, he will retire soon anyway so dont invest too much in him if he is not a potential winner. The rest of my team who serve no purpose other than to sit at the front of the pelton, breakaway or collect botlles just get regional/national trainers. |
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| alex153 |
Posted on 13-08-2008 06:49
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awal3207 wrote:
You shouldnt be losing money.
Yes, he should. You make a loss every month until next January when you get your new budget. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-08-2008 07:36
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About scouting riders, it's something which I tend not to do. I acknowledge that many people like to scout their own talents and make them future greats, but I find it easier to let other teams scout and then "steal" their good talents (by outbuying them). Since you're a rich Pro Tour-team, this is possible. However, had you been a small Continental team, it's, of course, best to scout talents yourself. |
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| nutter_bed |
Posted on 13-08-2008 08:24
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Thanks guys, some useful information there.
Anyone else have other opinions?
My riders cost me £550k per month and my staff £250k per month so cost saving would be good.
I have 30 riders which works well, a nicely balanced team.
Thanks |
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| alex153 |
Posted on 13-08-2008 08:27
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nutter_bed wrote:
Thanks guys, some useful information there.
Anyone else have other opinions?
My riders cost me £550k per month and my staff £250k per month so cost saving would be good.
I have 30 riders which works well, a nicely balanced team.
Thanks
You are playing as CSC?
Get rid of Julich and Kroon in my opinion.
Julich is old and will only get worse.
Kroon isn't needed since both Schleck brothers are good hilly riders as well. |
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| nutter_bed |
Posted on 13-08-2008 08:30
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Was gonna keep Juilch till the end of the season and try and offer Kroon a lower contract.
Kroon has been a good protector for Frank Schleck at the Paris - Nice so thought he may be ok to keep around?
Do I not need 30 riders then?
If not, how do I keep fatigue down?
I'm in March and a couple of riders who have only raced 10 days are at 1/4 of a bar of fatigue.
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| alex153 |
Posted on 13-08-2008 08:40
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nutter_bed wrote:
Was gonna keep Juilch till the end of the season and try and offer Kroon a lower contract.
Kroon has been a good protector for Frank Schleck at the Paris - Nice so thought he may be ok to keep around?
Do I not need 30 riders then?
If not, how do I keep fatigue down?
I'm in March and a couple of riders who have only raced 10 days are at 1/4 of a bar of fatigue.
Cheers guys
I usually keep my team at 27-28 riders, but it all depends if you can afford it. I f you have enough money you can keep both of them, since they are decent helpers.
And fatigue is impossible not to get, cyanide still needs to fix that in a patch I think. |
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| rontgen |
Posted on 13-08-2008 09:35
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Agree, the tool that was developed (the evaluation thingy, when creating a training programme) for the first patch does a poor job in predicting the fatigue.
My initial guess is that it assumes fitness = 0 at the start of the season. |
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| nutter_bed |
Posted on 13-08-2008 09:38
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I have done individual training plans for each rider so I can get the to peak at the relevant week.
You are right that the fatigue evaluation is useless.
I have Sastre in a training program that allows him to ride the 3 major tours. The evaluation tells me he'll hit maximum fatigue 2 weeks after the Vuelta, but I don't think that will be anywhere near the case now!
Thanks for you help guys, it's appreciated but keep the information coming |
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| alex153 |
Posted on 13-08-2008 09:54
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nutter_bed wrote:
I have done individual training plans for each rider so I can get the to peak at the relevant week.
You are right that the fatigue evaluation is useless.
I have Sastre in a training program that allows him to ride the 3 major tours. The evaluation tells me he'll hit maximum fatigue 2 weeks after the Vuelta, but I don't think that will be anywhere near the case now!
Thanks for you help guys, it's appreciated but keep the information coming
One thing to keep in mind is that the fatigue bar ends at 6000, while they really start to lose fitness at 8000 |
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| rontgen |
Posted on 13-08-2008 10:23
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alex153 wrote:
nutter_bed wrote:
I have done individual training plans for each rider so I can get the to peak at the relevant week.
You are right that the fatigue evaluation is useless.
I have Sastre in a training program that allows him to ride the 3 major tours. The evaluation tells me he'll hit maximum fatigue 2 weeks after the Vuelta, but I don't think that will be anywhere near the case now!
Thanks for you help guys, it's appreciated but keep the information coming
One thing to keep in mind is that the fatigue bar ends at 6000, while they really start to lose fitness at 8000
Are you sure?
I have screens showing that max fitness is lost while the fatigue bar isn't full (didn't they rescale it in the first patch?). |
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