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| Smitho |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:31
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Hi
Just wanted to know if somebody was making a new database with new stats from the tour de france so kohl vandervelde and others would have better stats and evans would not be so good 
I have tryed to make a database myself but still makes no difference and nobody can get near evans 
Just wanted to know if somebody has started one  |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:34
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Smitho wrote:
evans would not be so good
Objection!
Anyway, you can bet there will be several DB's out soon after TdF ends, all claiming to have the correct stats.
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| Smitho |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:37
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Look who it is haha but on every stage he attacked on the game and gets a big lead even menchov and sastre couldn't keep up with him even though i changed their stats.
You are just complaining because i beat you on ladder mode  |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:39
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Actually im just complaining because a few seems to think Evans wont win TdF now. I cant even remember playing on ladder to be honest.
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| Smitho |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:41
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I know he will win the tdf but im just saying his mountain stats need to be lower and his acceleration and recovery etc compared to people like sastre and kohl and lets face it kohl is better than a 76 mountain which he is on dankans database atm i just want a new database so more realistic stats are thereso i can play more often as cunego is high on gc 2 (very unrealistic)
I won that breakaway that went the whole way when everyones sprinters died on the flat lmao |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:45
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Waghlon wrote:
Smitho wrote:
evans would not be so good
Objection!
I see why you object, but it is true that Evans is almost too good in the game.
If you play Tour de France, and you don't have a major contender yourself Evans always win by a massive margin. he never loses substantial time in the mountains, very often gain time instead, and he always wins the time trials (from a GC point of view) |
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 23-07-2008 20:00
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and afaik Evans is going to win the tour so I dont see the problem?
still im making a db which is all about stats and it amazes me how cya neglected the TT stats of many riders, like giving Ermeti and Lelarge 55 TT while they both did well at the national TT championships of Italy and France
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2008 20:12
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The problem with Evans being too good stems from his Resistance and Endurance ratings being through the roof and having the same mountain stat as the other contenders. lower his mountain stat, keep the rest high.
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| Lampert |
Posted on 23-07-2008 20:34
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Woow Chris Froome do it very well today .
I would think he may have 72 in the mountains.
Edited by Lampert on 23-07-2008 20:45
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| questo |
Posted on 23-07-2008 20:43
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the fact that mister Vandevelde has one good Tour wouldn't make him a great rider, so you really shouldn't change his stats. The irritation reaches maximum right here when mister Soler and mister Sella grows unbelievable fast in their climbing stats, just by taking the climbing tricot. |
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| Osmose |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:07
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and the stats of the dopers should be lowered, ricco and piepoli should have only 79 on mountains
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:12
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questo wrote:
the fact that mister Vandevelde has one good Tour wouldn't make him a great rider, so you really shouldn't change his stats.
by that exact same logic, F.Schleck should have 76 mountain, Kohl 76, Kreuziger 74.
Does that seem right to you? 
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| mpritch |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:20
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issoisso wrote:
questo wrote:
the fact that mister Vandevelde has one good Tour wouldn't make him a great rider, so you really shouldn't change his stats.
by that exact same logic, F.Schleck should have 76 mountain, Kohl 76, Kreuziger 74.
Does that seem right to you?
I agree. The tour reveals a lot about riders. Cunego, although dominate in the giro, is not Tour calibar. The riders who looked at the 2008 calendar and said, "the Tour is my goal" should be heavily judged on their performance in the Tour. So vandevelde, kohl, etc. should get more credit and the likes of valverde, evans, cunego should be given more realistic stats. Evans can't accelarate, he has confirmed that many times. He is, however, a brute. so drop the acc and mtn stats a bit, keep the hills how they are. he is dominating on 5-7% slopes, but above 8% he is nothing spectacular.
Anybody up for making Cavendish an 85 85 sprinter? but you should keep his mtn and hill ratings right around 10... |
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| helGn |
Posted on 23-07-2008 21:58
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also there is a mister helge tveit missing on the team columbia team. he should be a madman with 99 fighter, 99 flat, 90 mountain, 95 hilly, 99 TT, 99 recovery, 99 stamina, 99 resistance, i really dont like cobbles so you could put a 88 there. rest 90 |
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| helGn |
Posted on 23-07-2008 22:00
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although i agree with you mpritch, guys like popo is in my mind a quite decent rider, however screwed it up for himself and is totaly out of shape and should have his stats dropped like madman |
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| Osmose |
Posted on 23-07-2008 22:30
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is there a way to put cav good mainly on the last 1km or 1/2km, when he was sprinting from a long way in the giro he lost every time to bennati
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| matt493 |
Posted on 23-07-2008 22:31
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mpritch wrote:
issoisso wrote:
questo wrote:
the fact that mister Vandevelde has one good Tour wouldn't make him a great rider, so you really shouldn't change his stats.
by that exact same logic, F.Schleck should have 76 mountain, Kohl 76, Kreuziger 74.
Does that seem right to you?
I agree. The tour reveals a lot about riders. Cunego, although dominate in the giro, is not Tour calibar. The riders who looked at the 2008 calendar and said, "the Tour is my goal" should be heavily judged on their performance in the Tour. So vandevelde, kohl, etc. should get more credit and the likes of valverde, evans, cunego should be given more realistic stats. Evans can't accelarate, he has confirmed that many times. He is, however, a brute. so drop the acc and mtn stats a bit, keep the hills how they are. he is dominating on 5-7% slopes, but above 8% he is nothing spectacular.
Anybody up for making Cavendish an 85 85 sprinter? but you should keep his mtn and hill ratings right around 10...
I like Cavendish but I think definately lower. He should have a great acceleration stat and sprint stat but only in a year or two.
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| rovven7 |
Posted on 23-07-2008 22:53
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mpritch wrote:
issoisso wrote:
questo wrote:
the fact that mister Vandevelde has one good Tour wouldn't make him a great rider, so you really shouldn't change his stats.
by that exact same logic, F.Schleck should have 76 mountain, Kohl 76, Kreuziger 74.
Does that seem right to you?
I agree. The tour reveals a lot about riders. Cunego, although dominate in the giro, is not Tour calibar. The riders who looked at the 2008 calendar and said, "the Tour is my goal" should be heavily judged on their performance in the Tour. So vandevelde, kohl, etc. should get more credit and the likes of valverde, evans, cunego should be given more realistic stats. Evans can't accelarate, he has confirmed that many times. He is, however, a brute. so drop the acc and mtn stats a bit, keep the hills how they are. he is dominating on 5-7% slopes, but above 8% he is nothing spectacular.
Anybody up for making Cavendish an 85 85 sprinter? but you should keep his mtn and hill ratings right around 10...
Let's not forget Evans being the second strongest on the Mur de Huy this year, which hasn't 5-7% slopes
And pls, people, stop seing Cunego is weak because of this Tour. He's definetely not in a top shape. Not even 65%. You can't say he's a hilly rider because of his performances in the mountains. If so, a good hilly rider in top shape, would never lose 32 seconds in the sixth stage, or get dropped on a third category climb on one of the stages early on. He clearly missed something. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-07-2008 22:59
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His form isnt at 65% - Cunego had made this race his big target of the year. Just accept that he is not good enough in the mountains.
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| rovven7 |
Posted on 23-07-2008 23:04
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SportingNonsense wrote:
His form isnt at 65% - Cunego had made this race his big target of the year. Just accept that he is not good enough in the mountains.
Getting in form is not a mathematical formula. Sometimes in your career, you do screw it up. It happened to Menchov last year as well, just to come back to La vuelta and win it. It happened to Dekker and Danielson this year. It's a normal thing. I would've accept that he's not good enough in the mountains if he had raced like Kirchen, very strong on the hills of the first week. A 100% shape winner of the Giro di Lombardia and Amstel Gold Race in the last 12 months can't be dropped on a third category hill. |
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