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Transfer Season Rules 2018
SportingNonsense
Please make sure you have read and understand these rules. You will not be allowed to participate in the transfers otherwise. The thread is not the same as last year, and needs to be re-read by all.

You should constantly update your team transfer sheet with all transfer dealings, to help ensure you do not go over budget.

Transfers Forums

There are three Transfers forums:

[Man-Game] Transfers: Free Agents
For free agents, stagiares and sackings.

[Man-Game] Transfers: Deals
For the deal confirmation threads for Trades and Loans

[Man-Game] Transfers: Adverts
The forum for you to advertise riders you have for sale - either by having a thread for all of your team sales, or rider specific threads. This is also the only forum that can be used to discuss Transfers.

Types of Transfer

There are 6 types of transfers that you can be involved in:
- Free Agent bidding
- Stagiare bidding
- Trades between teams
- Loans
- Sackings
- CT free riders

Free Agent bidding

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With Free Agents, you are bidding on the wage you wish to pay the rider. It will therefore all come out of your salary cap.

This is conducted in the Transfers: Free Agents forum.

1. To make a bid for a rider, you must first use the forum search function to find if a bid has already been made on him. Search for a rider's full name - including any accents.
2. If a bid hasn't been made, then you should open a new thread. The thread title must be correctly named with "[Free Agent]" followed by a space, and then the full name of the rider you wish to make a bid on, including the accents on letters. If the rider name is incorrect then the thread is invalid. Suggestion: Copy a rider's name directly from the database. e.g. "[Free Agent] Théo Vimpere"
3. When making a free agent bid, state your full team name, followed by the wage you wish to offer the rider.
4. All free agents have a minimum wage of 50,000.
5. To make a counter-bid on a free agent you must reply in the same thread, with your team name and your bid. There is a minimum allowed increase.
6. The winner of the free agent will be the highest bidder after a 48 hour period with no bids.
7. You should not be bidding on a rider if you dont want them. If you are leading the bidding on a rider and change your mind and dont want him, you are not allowed to try to convince someone else to outbid you. This includes making posts suggesting that you have made your last bid on the rider.
8. Do not attempt to influence any other team. Even if you are trying to be helpful. You should only do something if you believe they have broken a transfer rule. Do NOT attempt to stop someone bidding on a rider.
9. Not important how to do this! No telling other ones, that you are going to outbid them! Don`t suggest alternative riders! Don`t offer an incentive - such as a loan or trade deal!
10. Those two rules (8./9.) include attempting to make arrangement to not bid on certain riders, in order to avoid competition! This is NOT allowed neither. Bidding can be discussed in the Transfer Discussion - as long as you are not ettempting to influence future actions!
11. It is your responsibility to ensure that all of your bids are valid. If you have not included your full team name in your bid, or if the increase amount is below the minimum allowed, then it will not count - and the 48 hour count will be running of the previous highest valid bid.
12. A rider signed as a free agent cannot be traded or loaned out. The only exception is if their Level/XP is less than 4.100, in which case they can be loaned out. If you change your mind on a free agent signing, your only option is to sack them.
13. There are limits on the number of bids you can make each day, see below.

Bid Limits

There are limits on how many free agent bids you can make during a 'British' day. (Time offset of 0 in the PCM.daily Profile page)

1. You may not bid on more than 8 different riders
2. You may not make more than a total of 20 bids across all riders in a single day

Noting that for the first few days.
Thursday19th July20:00 BSTStart of first bid limit window
Friday20th July00:00 BSTStart of second bid limit window
Saturday21st July00:00 BSTStart of third bid limit window
etc


Bidding Patterns: Minimum Increase

Each time you bid either for a free agent or in a transfer, you must increase the last offer by the following amount as a minimum:
€50,000 - €100,000€5,000 increase
€100,000 - €300,000€10,000 increase
€300,000 - €600,000€20,000 increase
€600,000 - €1,000,000€30,000 increase
€1,000,000 +€50,000 increase

As an example, if the previous bid is 99,000, the minimum bid increase is 104,000. But if the previous bid is 100,000, then the minimum bid increase is 110,000.


Stagiare bidding

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This is conducted in the Transfers: Free Agents forum.

1. For the last days of the transfer period (see transfer time line) it will be possible to buy up to 4 Stagiares for your team.
2. They must be riders born in 1995 or later, and have a minimum wage of just 10,000.
3. A stagiare has 15 race days, regardless of OVL, and will be able to be selected in teams from August onwards as also in all U23 events. You must send mangame-admin a personal message to show that you have read the rules.
4. PCT stagiares will get to ride C2 races in any month of the year.
5. In terms of bidding process for Stagiares, there can be multiple bids, with the minimum increase of 5,000 - but once the price reaches 50,000 he becomes a full free agent transfer and not a stagiare.
6. They will count as half a rider in terms of the minimum rider count for CT (15) and PCT teams (20) - but you still can't have more than 30 (for PCT) or 20 (for CT) combined riders/stagiares. For PT teams, a stagiare will not count towards the minimum limit.


Trades between teams

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This is conducted in the Transfers: Deals forum.

Negotiations will typically take place in either the Transfers: Adverts forum or by personal message. When a deal has been agreed between two teams, a [Deal] thread can be posted in the Deals forum.

1. The thread must contain "[Deal]" followed by the full name(s) of the rider(s) involved in the trade.
2. If this is a rider swap deal involving riders from both teams then either team can open the thread. For a rider sale deal, only the person who currently owns the rider may open the thread.
3. The content of [Deal] threads must be formatted as follows, please using the Table formatting:

Team A:---
Rider Out:---
Rider In:---
Money Out:---
Money In:---
Team B:---
Rider Out:---
Rider In:---
Money Out:---
Money In:---

Deal confirmed by Team A/B

4. The other team in the deal then needs to post the exact same thing, with their own confirmation line.
5. A 24 hour countdown will begin once both teams have confirmed the trade.
6. It is not possible to withdraw from a deal, once it has been made.
7. During the 24 hour countdown, any team can still make a better offers for any of the riders involved.
8. If the rider's owner decides to accept a higher offer, then a new confirmation post must be made - containing the details of the new deal. If other riders become involved in a new deal, then a new thread must be made. Make sure to post a link to the new thread in the old thread to ensure the initial one is not mistakenly confirmed.
9. Both teams in the new deal must confirm the deal before the original 24 hours have expired, using the correct confirmation format.
10. Once 24 hours from the deal being confirmed by both sides passes, the deal is made permanent.
11. Riders transferred will receive no wage increase - the team the rider is transferred to will now pay the wage of the rider
12. A rider can only be involved in a maximum of 2 transfers. Once a rider leaves a team, he cannot return to the team. This also includes with loans. As previously noted, free agent signing can not be traded.
13. No rider can be traded for 0€. For riders of 100.000€ wage or less, minimum rider transfer fee is their wage!
For riders with more than 100.000€ wage, minimum transfer fee is 100.000€.
14. You cannot ask, agree, (or otherwise) for no further offers to be considered or accepted, during any part of trade negotiations. If it appears that you are not accepting the best offer for a rider, you may be asked to justify why.

Loans

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This is conducted in the Transfers: Deals forum.

Negotiations will typically take place in either the Transfers: Adverts forum or by personal message. When a deal has been agreed between two teams, a [Loan Deal] thread can be posted in the Deals forum.

However, a [Loan Deal] thread may only contain 1 rider.

1. The thread can only be created by the owner of the rider. Same rules on thread title as with [Deal] threads.
2. The content of [Loan Deal] threads must be formatted as follows, please using the Table formatting:

Team A:---
Rider Out:---
Riders' Wage:---
Money Out:---
Money In:---
Wage paid by Team A:---
Team B:---
Rider In:---
Money Out:---
Money In:---
Wage paid by Team B:---
Loan Clause:---

Deal confirmed by Team A/B


Team A will always be the team owning the rider. Team B will always be the team loaning the rider.
3. Loans can only last for a year
4. A rider can only be loaned once. A rider cannot be loaned out by a team if they already have him on loan.
5. The salary of a rider being loaned can either by paid in full by one of the teams, or be split.
6. You are allowed to put certain clause on loans. e.g. Rider must ride at least 50 race days, must gain an XP level, must ride a GT etc The team that you are loaning the rider to must then follow the these terms.
7. Remember, that for a free agent that you have signed this transfer season, you may only loan them out if their XP level is less than 4.100.
8. You cannot ask, agree, (or otherwise) for no further offers to be considered or accepted, during any part of loan negotiations. If it appears that you are not accepting the best offer for a rider, you may be asked to justify why.

Loan Fees

Level 1 and 2 riders:
The loaning in team will never pay a transfer fee.
The loaning out team will pay a transfer fee that is at minimum the amount of salary cap that the loaning in team is using up. They can of course pay more.

Level 1 riders, with a clause to reach Level 3:
There is an extra fee for this clause to happen, in addition to the normal fee for Level 1 riders. The extra parts are the full wage of the rider, and an extra 100k fee.
i.e. Minimum fee to agree a 'Level 1 to Level 3' clause is: "Amount of wage paid by loaning in team" + "Full wage of rider" + 100k.

Note that without this clause, it will not be possible for a rider to develop from Level 1 to Level 3 as part of a loan. Level 1 riders born in 1997 are also not able to progress to Level 3, whether loaned out or not.

All other riders:
There are different kind of wage sharing for those kind of riders as seen in the examples below.

Examples:
If Team A pays the wage in full, Team B has a minimum transfer fee of the value of the wage


If the wage is being split 50/50, the transfer fee is up to the two teams involved (it can be nothing). There is no minimum transfer fee.

If Team A and Team B share the wage, but not 50/50, then the transfer fee can only be the difference between wages paid.
e.g. Team A pays 40k and Team B pays 10k, then Team B needs to pay 30k fee to Team A. When proving to have read the rules, put your team's abbreviation in the title.

Loan Cap

All teams have a loan cap of 200,000. This is the amount of wage from riders you are 'linked' to which you are not paying. A few examples are:
Your team loans in a rider with a 50,000 wage and you are not paying any of that wage: 50,000 of your loan cap is used up.

Your team loans in a rider with a 50,000 wage and you are paying all of the wage: None of your loan cap is used up.

You loan out a rider with a 250,000 wage, and are still paying 100,000 of his wage: 150,000 of your loan cap is used up


Exemption: If you only use your loan cap on one rider, and this rider is a Level 1 rider, you may exceed the loan cap.

Example:
Let's say I buy Mads Kaggestad (who is Level 1) for 600k. The exemption allows Kaggestad to be loaned out to a team, so long as Kaggestad is the only rider that team uses its loan cap on. The loaned in team could pay a maximum 200k of Kaggestad' wage. So whatever happens I would have to pay at least 400k of Kaggestad' wage.


No [Deal] or [Loan Deal] thread may be posted during the first 40 hours of the transfer period.


Sackings

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This is conducted in the Transfers: Free Agents forum.

If you have a rider who you do not want, and are unable to sell, you are able to sack them. The thread title must start with "[Sack]" followed by the name of the rider. The rider then becomes a free agent. and other teams can bid on the rider - but you cannot.

Fines

There is of course a fine involved with sacking a rider.
For the first rider that you sack, the fine is equal to that rider's wage.
For the second rider that you sack, the fine is equal to two times that rider's wage.
For the third rider that you sack, the fine is equal to three times that rider's wage. And so on.

Please note: You can not sack any riders in the final 48 hours of the transfer period.


CT free riders

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Following the expansion of the CT calendar, CT teams will have sign two additional riders at no wage cost, when the main transfers window closes.

The squad requirements, of a minimum 15 riders, and a maximum 20 riders, do not include these two riders.

These riders will be assigned in a draft format. Teams have until the end of transfers to submit their prioritised list of preferred 'free riders'. This list can be as long as you like. The draft itself works in a serpentine way from A-Z, Z-A.

The draft order is listed below. It has been created as followed
- Random order of new CT teams
- Random order of existing CT teams
- Random order of teams who were relegated from PCT

Swisslion Cycling Team
DK Zalgiris
Oberfranken
Erste Bank - Visit Szeged
Banco de Bogota
Sunpower Cycling Team
Delvaux
Sauber Petronas Racing
Telia-Brussels Airlines
Equinor Pro Cycling
Campari - Super Dry
Eddie Stobart
Andorra Project - InGamba
Adastra - Argon 18
BNZ Cycling Team
ENI-MOL
Valio - DeLaval
GCN ProTeam
Team Cerveceria Costa Rica
Compal-Merida





Other Important Rules

Transfers Tax

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This was introduced 2015 as an important change. It is automatically calculated in your transfer sheet.

This is a tax that will be applied to the income that teams receive through rider trades or loans.

A team's total income from transfers will be taxed at the following rates:

Less than 500,000: No tax
500,000 - 1,000,000: 10% tax
1,000,000+: 20% tax

Examples to show how this works:

Grupo Nutresa had an income of 85,000 last year. They would pay no tax.

Metinvest had an income of 500,000 last year. They would pay no tax.

Vesuvio had an income of 910,000 last year.
The first 500,000 is untaxed. The remaining 410,000 is taxed at 10%, so Vesuvio would pay a tax of 41,000.

Simply Red Bull had an income of 4,900,000 last year.
The first 500,000 is untaxed. The next 500,000 is taxed at 10%, which is a tax of 50,000. The remaining 3,900,000 is taxed at 20%, which is a tax of 780,000. Therefore Simply Red Bull would pay a total tax of 830,000.


General Rules

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1. You must end the transfer season without exceeding your salary cap (3.5 million for ProTour teams, 2.5 million for ProContinental teams, 1.2 million for Continental teams). If you are over, you will lose at least 1 of your best riders. The same applies to the overall budget and loan cap.
2. Bids cannot be withdrawn. If you bid on a rider and later regret it, then tough. For this reason, you are unable to edit posts or topics in the Transfers forum.
3. No comments are allowed in the Free Agents or Deals forum. Negotiations are allowed. Use the Advert discussion sub-forum to discuss any part of the transfers.
4. ProTour and ProContinental Teams must finish the transfers with a minimum of 20 riders and a maximum of 30 riders. For Continental teams this is a minimum of 15 and a maximum of 20. Riders loaned to another team do not count to this, while the representation of stagiares was described in the stagiares section above.
5. Tell us before you go away for a period greater than 48 hours. Bidding can be made on your behalf, to keep your targets available for when you return.
6. Your transfer activity is only valid if you include your full team name. So make sure to remember it, and include it in the mesage you must send after reading this.
7. Once the sufficient time period has passed - 24 hours for Deals, 48 hours for Free Agents, then the deal is confirmed. If any aspect is invalid, then clearly this will not be the case. It is possible that invalidity will not be identified until after the time period - but this will not change that fact that it is invalid, and the deal/bid will be voided.
8. Suspicious activity or foul play is not allowed. You can and will be punished if you do such a thing. We reserve the right to disqualify bids from a manager on a certain rider, to prevent deliberately antagonising bids or other activity, whether for a Free Agent or Deal transfer.
9. You are not allowed to suggest that another manager should bid on, or look at, a certain rider in the first week of transfers. In the 2nd week of transfers, you can point out a rider only if they have not received any bids. In particular, you should not be sending PMs to other managers to try to get them to bid on riders that some of your rival teams are bidding on, in order to deliberately increase the price.
10. It`s no longer allowed to provide updated DBs mid transfers! All managers have the chance to go through the FA/deal threads themselves. A post transfer DB will be the first DB update.
11. We also reserve the right to add new rules inside the transfers, if somebody is found manipulating the system doing something that 'technically' is allowed, due to not being in the rules initially.
12. Punishment for trying to get around the rules, cheating, being dishonest - be it try to advantage your team or disadvantage someone else - will be severe, and is likely to lead to your removal from this game.

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roturn
There you go. Transfer Rules 2018 are now online!
 
Atlantius
Great!
Thanks for providing so soon ahead of transfer starts so they can be readl calmly without the adrenaline rush of the open window.

Just one small clarification question:
14. You cannot ask, agree, (or otherwise) for no further offers to be considered or accepted, during any part of trade negotiations. If it appears that you are not accepting the best offer for a rider, you may be asked to justify why.

How harsh will you be with enforcing this?
Take an an example from last season when Chris Anker Sörensen went from Valio to Carlsberg. In that deal I would not have accepted bigger offers as I for sentimental reasons wanted to see him race one season for the Danish team before likely retirement.
Would a justification like that be accepted?

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SotD
I agree with Atlantius. Also for me personally it could be of a bigger value to sell Coppel to the PCT for 300K less than to the PT for the highest fee.

Will it be possible to set boundaries for "next accepted offer", so you don't have to accept 20 offers?

F.e. I agree to sell Coppel for 2mio. Can I say that next accepted offer starts at 2,5?

Imo the rules are beginning to take all tactical and personal aspects out of the off season, and I don't Think that is a good direction for this game.

And this is me speaking before a season where I dont expect to purchase a single rider.
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Luis Leon Sanchez
I'm with the above. Surely you shouldn't have to explain and if you do then just say that a deal is a deal?
 
knockout
Pretty sure the rule just states that we cannot ask for the seller to not accept higher offers. However, it doesnt state that the seller always has to accept higher offers which was explicitly stated in other places like the 2team-one-manager rule and a quick glance tells me that it still includes the old rules concerning the 24h period after posting a deal so im sure the wording of the rule is intentional and that we dont NEED to accept higher offers
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Luis Leon Sanchez
knockout wrote:
Pretty sure the rule just states that we cannot ask for the seller to not accept higher offers. However, it doesnt state that the seller always has to accept higher offers which was explicitly stated in other places like the 2team-one-manager rule and a quick glance tells me that it still includes the old rules concerning the 24h period after posting a deal so im sure the wording of the rule is intentional and that we dont NEED to accept higher offers


This is true. I think the only real question is whether selling cheaper to a team out of your division or for sentimental reasons or similar would be acceptable?
 
jandal7
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
knockout wrote:
Pretty sure the rule just states that we cannot ask for the seller to not accept higher offers. However, it doesnt state that the seller always has to accept higher offers which was explicitly stated in other places like the 2team-one-manager rule and a quick glance tells me that it still includes the old rules concerning the 24h period after posting a deal so im sure the wording of the rule is intentional and that we dont NEED to accept higher offers


This is true. I think the only real question is whether selling cheaper to a team out of your division or for sentimental reasons or similar would be acceptable?

Exactly. Say I had a Kiwi to sell, and Jakstar offers me 100k. As a Kiwi team not in my division, even if a team offered me 110k I'd want to sell to Jakstar. So would that be ok?
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SportingNonsense
Certainly there are many reasons for why the best offer may not be the offer involving the highest fee offered. The rule just states that if it looks like the best offer is being ignored, we may ask for more information (by PM), and then take it from there (or leave it be) depending on the response.

The 24 hour period is there for a reason, to ensure other teams have a fair opportunity to make their own offer. Seeking a deal where other offers cannot be considered is a direct attempt to bypass that, hence the new rule.
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sammyt93
I probably won't start to think about this until I start forming my list towards the end of transfers, but do the CT free draft riders still gain xp if we go for a rider that would otherwise gain xp if they were being paid €50,000?

I'd like to know in advance if I can use it to boost a local focus nation talent that would otherwise go unsigned, in the hope he proves his worth and wins a proper contract for the following season, that it would be possible to get him from level 1 to level 2 if I feel my squad would be best served using it that way to plan for the future instead of using it on someone who could provide better depth this year.
 
SportingNonsense
They still gain xp, get full RD, and all of that.
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viking90
Minimum fee to agree a 'Level 1 to Level 3' clause is: "Amount of wage paid by loaning in team" + "Full wage of rider" + 100k.


If the wage is being split 50/50, the transfer fee is up to the two teams involved (it can be nothing). There is no minimum transfer fee.

Just to clarify in my head,that second quote those not applies on that first quote or is it?

If I have Level 1 rider I want to get to Level 3 by loaning him out, with a wage of 100.000 and we decide to split it 50/50.

Would it be:
1: 50.000+100.000+100.000
2: 100.000+100.000
 
tsmoha
It's number 1, viking. 50+100+100.
 
roturn
I`d say 1) Pfft

Loaning in team never pays a fee for level 1-2 riders.

Hence those 50k are basically your fee that equals his amount of wage paid.
Then 100k for full wage.
And 100k for the clause.
 
viking90
Thanks for quick answer, it was as I suspected then Smile
 
SportingNonsense
A note on silent auctions:

All FAs / Stagiares with bidding in the last 48 hours will need to be confirmed by silent auction. (Excluding the one bid threads, of course)

Teams involved must provide their maximum bid. This can be the bid they already posted in the thread, or can be higher.

The winner will be the team with the highest maximum bid. The rider's wage will be the minimum increase amount over the 2nd highest bid.

In cases where a team loses a silent auction;
- If they had the leading bid when transfers ended, or at some point in the last 12 hours of transfers, then they will be able to purchase a replacement Free Agent on a 50k wage. This choice will be made before the CT Draft.
- If the above criteria is not true, then there will be no opportunity to spend that money elsewhere.

For those in this scenario, it would help if you could PM ManGame-Admin - with the name of the rider in the subject - to tell us what your highest bid is. You can do this at any time, it does not need to wait for transfers to have ended.
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