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Is PCM17 worst version?
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| valaorome |
Posted on 22-06-2017 08:53
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Hi,
I open this new thread because I'd like to remove consciences. I want to know how is the users feeling and if they are so angry as I am I want to collect the claims in a document and send it to the development company (Cyanide, Focus,..,whatever) to show how we fell and how bad they work.
Regards
Sal a entrenar cuando te apetezca, y si quieres mejorar hazlo cuando no te apetezca.
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| river83 |
Posted on 22-06-2017 09:01
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valaorome wrote:
Hi,
I open this new thread because I'd like to remove consciences. I want to know how is the users feeling and if they are so angry as I am I want to collect the claims in a document and send it to the development company (Cyanide, Focus,..,whatever) to show how we fell and how bad they work.
Regards
I'm not angry, rather I will just wait and listen to community feedback before buying their cycling games in the future. |
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| stealingsilver |
Posted on 22-06-2017 10:32
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I have only played The Giro as SunWeb. What I have found is that with summit finishes it feels far more realistic than PCM 15. Domestiques burn out over time leaving just the favourites who are constantly marking each other untill deciding when to attack at the finish. Also during this period some weaker or more measured riders can latch back on (again quite realistic). However no one seems to do any attacks from the start or middle of a climb.
My main issue is it seems really hard to go back to the car to get water. It seems to take ages for the water boy to get back to the peloton. He may also be dropped on the descent or at a hilly point. It seems that you need to plan more for getting water. Which is a shame because it is a feature I do not care about. |
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| sierramike |
Posted on 22-06-2017 10:57
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If you have still bugs in game from 7 years ago and adding more bugs then you remove.
If you have a game that the best thing about it is the core mechanic of the game.
You should stop trying to change the core of the game mechanics in new releases instead focus a bit more on fixing those issues.
Listening to the whole world community & interact with them instead of just the little french community would help a lot for this & also will get more interest & sales.
Those good core mechanics simulating a great sport keeps me hanging on,but when you break these and don't fix them soon: I'm out.
As AI goes ,i think, when they teak constantly they often break more. for ex. say tweak hilly stages AI ,but wrecking all other sorts of stages in the process,because I bet they don't have an oversight of the whole mess anymore.They should start clean over with comprehensive AI model(analysis) on paper first.
Is it the best-worst version? Engine performance wise ?the best
Core mechanics of game ? worse then several years ago,which for a lot of people simply destroys the game.
Features wise ? best although some got lost.
Bug-wise? disaster as always.
Support ? worst ever considering media possibilities these days.
Marketing? another disaster.
Fun game? Only if you are into the thrill of winning the race enough.There's a lot of other fun games out there or you could of course jump on a real bike...
Edited by sierramike on 23-06-2017 13:02
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| breezer |
Posted on 22-06-2017 14:59
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Just a fucked in AI as every other PCM game yes |
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| undertaker |
Posted on 22-06-2017 17:39
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By far the worst version. and not only about the IA,but in general gameplay |
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| Conardo |
Posted on 23-06-2017 06:48
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For me this version is one of the best versions. At the beginning you have massive problems to take a win - depending on several facts. This year i started the first time on "normal". not with "hard". But in the second year the game is now a liitle bit too easy and i switched back to "hard".
The seasonplanning is really confortable - so far im playing only in Pro Cylclist modus. And it is the key to be successful. Have an eye on fatigue, thats all. Clearly better to the previous versions.
The tasks from your RD and the "buying" of domestics is really an improvement.
Some words to the community here - i suppose that some of the "testers" here didnt buy the game. There comments are clearly wrong. The game has bugs yes -- but it is a joy to play it.
TY for reading and sry for the bad english.
Edited by Conardo on 23-06-2017 06:54
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:19
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Conardo wrote:
For me this version is one of the best versions. At the beginning you have massive problems to take a win - depending on several facts. This year i started the first time on "normal". not with "hard". But in the second year the game is now a liitle bit too easy and i switched back to "hard".
The seasonplanning is really confortable - so far im playing only in Pro Cylclist modus. And it is the key to be successful. Have an eye on fatigue, thats all. Clearly better to the previous versions.
The tasks from your RD and the "buying" of domestics is really an improvement.
Some words to the community here - i suppose that some of the "testers" here didnt buy the game. There comments are clearly wrong. The game has bugs yes -- but it is a joy to play it.
TY for reading and sry for the bad english.
I totally disagree with you.
This game is the worst I played since PCM 2011. Wna what you're talking about the "testers". They all said, that the game is good, before it came out. And not sure if you're new here or not, but basically everyone here, who complains about the game, owns it(exception: Avin).
But why do we even think it's bad? Oh, that's quite a list. I try to not forget anything now:
-broken AI
-broken "pathfinding" of the AI
-broken HI stat
-broken SP stat
-loads of game crashes
-no stages from the previous games work
-daily form being waay to influencial
-the game is still poorly optimized
Once they fix all of that, most people here will like it, but in it's current state, the game is really bad.
On top of that, the devs think, that people who complain are stupid.
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| Conardo |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:33
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Playing since version 09. And its every year the same, first weeks they have a mass on bugs in the game and there bughandling is disastrous.
But when i mean testers, i mean the people here in this forum. Do you really think there is only one person who complaints and didnt buy the game?
No offense, its my opinion.
Edited by Conardo on 23-06-2017 07:37
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:36
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Conardo wrote:
Playing since version 09. And its every year the same, first weeks they have a mass on bugs in the game and there bughandling is disastrous.
But when i mean testers, i mean the people here in this forum. Do you really think there is only one person who complaints and didnt buy the game?
No offense, its my opinion.
Loads of people here are playing since the first PCM and yes it's disastrous every year, but this time they've basically shown in their forum, that they think we're stupid. On top of that, no game in the world, should ever get released with bugs.
Yes, I know that Avin hasn't bought it and I'm pretty sure, that all the others have bought it. Why? Because this is a PCM forum. People actually like the series here. Why would they complain when they not have bought it?
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| Conardo |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:38
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By the way, since relaease i played 74 hrs ... (!) and didn´t have one single crash.
Ok:
-broken AI -> complainers wrote this every year
-broken "pathfinding" of the AI - every year
-broken HI stat - bug, yes
-broken SP stat - bug, yes
-loads of game crashes - bno single for me
-no stages from the previous games work - this isnt a bug
-daily form being waay to influencial - really? Depends on fatigue
-the game is still poorly optimized - only for highest resolution
"Yes, I know that Avin hasn't bought it and I'm pretty sure, that all the others have bought it. Why? Because this is a PCM forum. People actually like the series here. Why would they complain when they not have bought it?"
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:41
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Conardo wrote:
By the way, since relaease i played 74 hrs ... (!) and didn´t have one single crash.
Ok:
-broken AI -> complainers wrote this every year
-broken "pathfinding" of the AI - every year
-broken HI stat - bug, yes
-broken SP stat - bug, yes
-loads of game crashes - bno single for me
-no stages from the previous games work - this isnt a bug
-daily form being waay to influencial - really? Depends on fatigue
-the game is still poorly optimized - only for highest resolution
"Yes, I know that Avin hasn't bought it and I'm pretty sure, that all the others have bought it. Why? Because this is a PCM forum. People actually like the series here. Why would they complain when they not have bought it?"
You are a dreamer
Because they were buying series for the last 11 years and still wanna see a good new edition?
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:46
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Conardo wrote:
By the way, since relaease i played 74 hrs ... (!) and didn´t have one single crash.
Ok:
-broken AI -> complainers wrote this every year
-broken "pathfinding" of the AI - every year
-broken HI stat - bug, yes
-broken SP stat - bug, yes
-loads of game crashes - bno single for me
-no stages from the previous games work - this isnt a bug
-daily form being waay to influencial - really? Depends on fatigue
-the game is still poorly optimized - only for highest resolution
"Yes, I know that Avin hasn't bought it and I'm pretty sure, that all the others have bought it. Why? Because this is a PCM forum. People actually like the series here. Why would they complain when they not have bought it?"
You are a dreamer
First of all, good to hear that you like the game. Most still don't.
Then I wasn't only talking about bugs. I was listing what's wrong with this game.
The AI is more broken this season, than it ever was. The pathfinding of the AI was fine last year.
I also only had around 5 game crashes so far, but cyanide already fixed some yesterday.
The daily form is op. Someone with 74 SP can have a good day and be the best sprinter in the world. A daily form shouldn't really make you from a contii-tour sprinter to the best in the world.
Fatigue? That's not even a problem in this game. In PCM15, fatigue was way more difficult to handle.
That's what I count as badly optimized. It can't be that I can run every game in the world on full settings but PCM, which doesn't even look that good has some problems to give me smooth 60FPS all the time.
Why am I a dreamer? Tell me, why would someone who loves this series, shittalk about it, when they haven't even bought it. I'm on this website every day for too many hours. I think I know these guys well enough to know that they're not talking crap.
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| Conardo |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:50
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Almost everone here loves the PCM, but i think in some way almost everyone hates it also.
Only thing i want to write is, that i think, several complaints are totally overdriven, as every year.
Paul,i never think you shittalked
Edited by Conardo on 23-06-2017 07:53
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:53
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Well, people complain every year and every year we give them another chance. And then they address the problem and make it even worse(AI). Obviously people are angry now, because every year the made 2 steps forward and one backwards and now they did 10 forward and 50 backwards.
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| Conardo |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:56
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"10 forward and 50 backwards" <- thats what i mean. Overdriven |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 07:58
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Conardo wrote:
"10 forward and 50 backwards" <- thats what i mean. Overdriven
It's not overdriven. They made a huge leap forwards and the biggest ever leap backwards.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 11:14
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I have to agree with Conardo on most things. I'm enjoying the game quite a bit so far. On the technical side, I haven't had a single crash either and the game is running smoothly.
I agree that the way the hill stat works (or doesn't work) is ridiculous, but I honestly don't see much of an effect. Yes, Gilbert is not competitive, but other than that, I've had almost exclusively pretty realistic results. I'm able to win sprints with riders that should win them (I agree it's harder, and it's not possible with the timing from PCM16, but if you adjust, it's working), I've only had GC riders in the Top 10 in sprint stages once or twice.
And as for daily form, I feel like while maybe the impact has been increased, the variance has been reduced drastically. In the 40-50 races I've ridden, a rider of mine had more than +3 or -3 maybe two or three times. So the results I'm getting are relatively consistent.
The only thing that's really annoying is that it is much harder to get through the peloton quickly. Maybe I'm just lucky, but my gameplay experience has hardly been impaired by what most people are complaining about. That's not to say that Cyanide/Focus should not have done a better job, but it affects me a lot less that what other people are reporting/suggesting.
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| boork |
Posted on 23-06-2017 15:02
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So far I have had more fun with this game then any other PCM game in a long time. Often the bugs annoy me, but I like the feeling of this game and that is the most important thing.
If I would rate it, I would say that this game is the best since 2012. Hopefully some of the kinks will be worked out soon too. |
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 23-06-2017 21:57
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Best PCM version in years.
The gameplay have improved a lot and the results are more realistic.
Didn't find any of the bugs reported by some user. |
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