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Posted on 19-06-2007 14:43
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Have any PCM players been successful in bordures? I remember reading something about this in the PCM 2006 manual but I never saw the phenomenon while playing and I never tried to use it tactically. But the new manual has even more of a write-up about it. Anyone have any thoughts as to how to set these up or use them?
From the PCM 2007 manual:
Bordures : The wind is a parameter that must constantly be taken into account. Certain
teams use it to their advantage, if the situation presents itself. When a strong crosswind is
blowing, riders will fan out across the road in a staggered line. Once the fan covers the whole
road a rider who can't position himself will be obliged to drop back and start a new "fan". This
second line is physically detached from the first line with the force of the wind accentuating
the effects of the break. This is called a "bordure". It is possible for a team to deliberately provoke
a bordure. For example, a team can position itself before a 90° bend that will impact on
wind position relative to the peloton. Once the bend is taken, the leading group will have broken
with a group of followers who find it impossible to close the gap because of the wind.
Pro Cycling Manager now integrates this tactics, allowing you to outmanoeuvre your opponents.
However, for a "bordure" to work several factors must be fulfilled: a very strong wind
blowing from the right direction plus a team with "rouleurs" who are strong riders on the flat. |
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Posted on 19-06-2007 14:50
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yup.
I actually remember the first time I did it.
CSC at the Omloop Het Volk.
high as hell pace up front, non-cobbled section, lots of side wind.
Quickstep blew their entire team chasing to get Boonen back on.
it's easier to do just after a cobbled section, since the peloton is strung out there
Edited by issoisso on 19-06-2007 14:51
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Posted on 19-06-2007 15:39
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Now I know more about it ill use it more |
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Posted on 19-06-2007 17:11
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It's very easy, in several stages I can make bordures.
Admin on PCM Benelux.
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Posted on 19-06-2007 17:39
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I think what people want (and I'd appreciate it too) is a guide on bordures. what affects them and general tips.
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Posted on 19-06-2007 18:02
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issoisso wrote:
I think what people want (and I'd appreciate it too) is a guide on bordures. what affects them and general tips.
Perhaps you might be the first to give us some pointers? At least you've had some sucess with them.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-06-2007 18:49
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very little. I never noticed anything about tight corners.
I mainly use them on classics when I have a strong roleur teams (read: rarely)
usually right after a cobbled section, or right after the end of a descent of a short climb, the peloton tends to be strung out.
I just put everyone on relay, and at 99% (the leader at 65% so he'll be near the front but not relaying)
and if the wind is strong and not coming from in front from behind, the front of the peloton may just break off.
any leaders caught back will be forced to use their entire teams to get back. and they might not be able to.
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Posted on 19-06-2007 18:50
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Never... It seems that my Spanish climbers aren't that good at borduring  |
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Posted on 19-06-2007 21:06
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issoisso wrote:
very little. I never noticed anything about tight corners.
I mainly use them on classics when I have a strong roleur teams (read: rarely)
usually right after a cobbled section, or right after the end of a descent of a short climb, the peloton tends to be strung out.
I just put everyone on relay, and at 99% (the leader at 65% so he'll be near the front but not relaying)
and if the wind is strong and not coming from in front from behind, the front of the peloton may just break off.
any leaders caught back will be forced to use their entire teams to get back. and they might not be able to.
You see? That's useful info. I have really ignored the effects of wind in the game since I figure it affects all the riders equally. But I will definitely put your suggestions to use next time I play cobbles (which probably won't be until PCM 2007 comes out). But thanks for the info isso |
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Posted on 19-06-2007 21:15
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I never even heard of that. |
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Posted on 19-06-2007 21:18
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no problem. I hope they've improved the gameplay on cobbled races. it just seems useless to me on PCM2006.
maybe it's just me, maybe not, but is just never felt right.
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Posted on 19-06-2007 23:48
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Yes this is very well known stuff, i saw it in game manytimes if the crosswind is strong, stage is flat, long and teams are pushing hard than you can see bordure B)
Im surprized that some of you dont know about this stuff  |
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Posted on 20-06-2007 15:58
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i've never heard of it but i never have that windsock thing on, so maybe that's why i don't realise it can happen
Edited by Addy291 on 20-06-2007 16:18
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 20-06-2007 16:01
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I remember only using it once , i think, i was jumping out of a corner and i got a good boost adn once the stage in the end. |
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