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| Deadpool |
Posted on 17-03-2008 13:29
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With the new rash of anti-doping precautions, such as taking urine, blood, and hair samples at the Paris-Nice, along with the questionable event with Kevin van Impe, do you think that the anti-doping controls has become to ridiculous?
Here is an article dealing with it
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 17-03-2008 15:42
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No.
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| niconico |
Posted on 17-03-2008 15:47
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In Van Impe's case, yes.
Generally, no.
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Posted on 17-03-2008 16:24
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I agree with A_Schleck |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-03-2008 16:36
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Most definitely agree with A_Schleck on this - certainly surprise doping controls are very good, but doing at this point and insisting on it is just wrong 
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 17-03-2008 17:09
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Not wrong. Inappropriate. I believe that the drug's tester should have waited outside for Van Impe to finish the unfortunate business of sorting out his sons funeral, but not that he shouldn't have turned up at that time.
Look at the situation from the Testers view. You have been given a rider to go test, at a time, and at a place. You get there, and to follow the rules it says you need the sample there and then. Had the tester walked out of there without the sample, what could Van Impe do between then, and the hour later he provided the sample? Maybe he had some urine stored on him he could give instead of a fresh sample. I hope you see what i'm aiming to point out, not that it's right to test at inappropriate times, but that by following the rules to the point, there is no way around surprise testing.
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Posted on 17-03-2008 17:16
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he couldnt have gotten fake urine cause the doping control guy has to watch him pee in the bottle, so an hour later would have worked, two hours later would have worked etc
and he hasnt been riding for 9 months due to a knee injury, i mean its a thing about dignity and respect
like with hulsmans in the recent past, he was riding a training session with some others and finished it and was showering in the camper of the team with the other guys who trained, some female doping controleur came and went under the shower with him/them until he had peed in the bottle lol
i mean wtf, she could have waited outside or at least waited til he had stopped showering
i agree that they should be tested firmly and whatever but i also feel the doping control people should show a little bit of respect and be more humane towards the athletes and not treat every one of them like they are all cheaters, it shouldnt be a witchhunt
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-03-2008 17:43
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MortChill wrote:
he couldnt have gotten fake urine cause the doping control guy has to watch him pee in the bottle, so an hour later would have worked, two hours later would have worked etc
and he hasnt been riding for 9 months due to a knee injury, i mean its a thing about dignity and respect
like with hulsmans in the recent past, he was riding a training session with some others and finished it and was showering in the camper of the team with the other guys who trained, some female doping controleur came and went under the shower with him/them until he had peed in the bottle lol
i mean wtf, she could have waited outside or at least waited til he had stopped showering
i agree that they should be tested firmly and whatever but i also feel the doping control people should show a little bit of respect and be more humane towards the athletes and not treat every one of them like they are all cheaters, it shouldnt be a witchhunt
He has to watch the guy turn towards a wall and take a leak. If he actually had to watch the guy doing it, the famous red powder would never have become popular
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Posted on 17-03-2008 17:44
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rjc_43 wrote:
Not wrong. Inappropriate. I believe that the drug's tester should have waited outside for Van Impe to finish the unfortunate business of sorting out his sons funeral, but not that he shouldn't have turned up at that time.
Completely agreed.
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Posted on 17-03-2008 17:57
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MortChill wrote:
he couldnt have gotten fake urine cause the doping control guy has to watch him pee in the bottle, so an hour later would have worked, two hours later would have worked etc
and he hasnt been riding for 9 months due to a knee injury, i mean its a thing about dignity and respect
like with hulsmans in the recent past, he was riding a training session with some others and finished it and was showering in the camper of the team with the other guys who trained, some female doping controleur came and went under the shower with him/them until he had peed in the bottle lol
i mean wtf, she could have waited outside or at least waited til he had stopped showering
i agree that they should be tested firmly and whatever but i also feel the doping control people should show a little bit of respect and be more humane towards the athletes and not treat every one of them like they are all cheaters, it shouldnt be a witchhunt
I disagree. It should be a witch hunt. Obviously the riders and managers can't be trusted to ride and train clean, so the UCI/whoever need to step it up a bit, get out their pitchforks, and tie those who dope to a load of wood, and set it alight. If they live, then obviously they doped, and will be killed anyway. If they die, they obviously doped, and got punished rightly. Nuff said. 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-03-2008 18:00
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rjc_43 wrote:
MortChill wrote:
he couldnt have gotten fake urine cause the doping control guy has to watch him pee in the bottle, so an hour later would have worked, two hours later would have worked etc
and he hasnt been riding for 9 months due to a knee injury, i mean its a thing about dignity and respect
like with hulsmans in the recent past, he was riding a training session with some others and finished it and was showering in the camper of the team with the other guys who trained, some female doping controleur came and went under the shower with him/them until he had peed in the bottle lol
i mean wtf, she could have waited outside or at least waited til he had stopped showering
i agree that they should be tested firmly and whatever but i also feel the doping control people should show a little bit of respect and be more humane towards the athletes and not treat every one of them like they are all cheaters, it shouldnt be a witchhunt
I disagree. It should be a witch hunt. Obviously the riders and managers can't be trusted to ride and train clean, so the UCI/whoever need to step it up a bit, get out their pitchforks, and tie those who dope to a load of wood, and set it alight. If they live, then obviously they doped, and will be killed anyway. If they die, they obviously doped, and got punished rightly. Nuff said.
Here's my preferred method: tie them to a rock and throw them into the sea. If they float, they're doped. If they sink, they're innocent
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Posted on 17-03-2008 18:04
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That one also works effectively. I also like to throw them off the mountains they've just climbed... If they fly away then they doped and have lost soooo much weight. If they fall to their deaths, we will all mourn for killing a great rider... This test should be done on every mountain top finish, with the top 20 having to undergo it B)
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 17-03-2008 18:06
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ok, anti-doping testing is essessential. And so is right to do at any time at any place. But there is a sensible limit. In Van Impes case it's wrong.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 17-03-2008 21:09
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That discussion on the most effective extermination methods for dopers reminds me of monty Python's The Holy Grail
"So, if she weighs the same as a goose she is a WITCH!" |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-03-2008 21:17
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His whole family could just have been killed by a mafia boss - I don't care. When a controllant shows up, just allow him to test you and he's out in a couple of minutes.
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Posted on 17-03-2008 21:43
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Deadpool wrote:
"So, if she weighs the same as a goose she is a WITCH!"
That cylist turned me into a newt...I got better
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 17-03-2008 23:16
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IT got better
Get your Python up to date
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Posted on 18-03-2008 09:10
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The thing is, we want to believe that these guys are just like us. But they're not. Even without doping, you'll have to live like a munk to survive in the Pro cycling circus. And why is the testing so strict? Because we want it to be! Because we assume all of them to be criminals. It's hypocritic to on one hand demand a strict testing regime, and on the other hand whine when a single rider is caught under tragic circumstances. For the testers to do their job within the funding handed out to them, it's simply impossible to just wait a couple of hours. Maybe the vampire in question had been driving for three hours to get to Van Impes whereabout. Maybe the vampires wife was in the hospital dying. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
And don't get me wrong. Of course it's unfortunate timing by the anti doping control in this case, and of course this particular vampire should've shown a tad more tact when approaching a man arranging his childs funeral. But this is where we're at in cycling at the moment. It's a bloody circus. And when nobody is strong enough to put their foot down. To say enough is enough. Then this will continue. Pro Cycling is exposing what top elite sport is all about. Individual succes!
I mean why doesn't the riders refuse to ride if they're so pissed? Why doesn't McQuaid make his seat available for election, when he obviously doesn't have the support he needs, to do his job? Why doesn't the teams demand a transparent league system, if they're so worried about where they can and can't ride? Why do the organisers keep on organising if it's a pain to do so? Because they're all looking after themselves, and the love of riding your bike really isn't the primary objective.
And why do we care if they cheat? Us, the internet generation who are ready to flame the next man for misspelling in a foreign language. We, who download copyrightet material as easy as going to the toilet? We, who have been bombing Bagdad for reasons we cannot remember anymore?
...and btw, sorry for the anger exposed in my post, it's nothing personal against any of you guys. I think I'll go ride my bike now  |
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