I'm a big fan of his idea to put everyone who is in the peloton at the 3km mark in the same time as the stage winner (IN FLAT SPRINT STAGES). This would mean that all GC contenders and their teammates can pull out of the way at that moment and that would make these run-ins safer and it would mean GC contenders aren't involved in these stupid crashes which rob us from seeing great fights for the GC.
I personally don't see any objections or negatives to this. Can't really remember any time where gaps were recorded in the last 3k without crashes.
Would you object this possible rule change? Why (not)?
Edited by Spilak23 on 14-05-2015 18:12
TheManxMissile wrote:
That tweet makes so much sense to me as a non-belgian speaker
"his idea to put everyone who is in the peloton at the 3km mark in the same time as the stage winner."
This is what he says
Literally: A shame to see Contador crash in a mass sprint. Isn't it time to start counting time at the 3km mark?
Edited by Spilak23 on 14-05-2015 17:46
I take it he means that from 3km GC riders could drop out of the sprint pack and ride in at their own pace behind?
And i can think of a time gaps were given, there was a stage in the '09 Tour were a gap was given because the pack split coming in behind the sprint... exact stage slips my mind
As much as I hate crashes in the peloton at high speeds, especially looking at Colli's awful one today, it's part of racing and why should you race 150+ kilometers just to stop the racing before the Flamme Rouge?
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I take it he means that from 3km GC riders could drop out of the sprint pack and ride in at their own pace behind?
And i can think of a time gaps were given, there was a stage in the '09 Tour were a gap was given because the pack split coming in behind the sprint... exact stage slips my mind
First part correct.
Yeah ofcourse it happened once or couple of times but I'd much rather see healthy stars fight it out mano a mano instead of needing the luck that nobody crashes in to you during a dangerous sprint finish.
Shonak wrote:
As much as I hate crashes in the peloton at high speeds, especially looking at Colli's awful one today, it's part of racing and why should you race 150+ kilometers just to stop the racing before the Flamme Rouge?
Well the fight for the stage win would still continue ofcourse. And I don't think anybody who was watching today was thinking about the gc fight during these last 3km so wouldn't be much of a difference imo.
I guess the obvious thing to do then is to give all riders the same time in a TTT. Once the front 5 are across that's the time for the whole team.
Mechanical on the final climb of a stage? Same time. Hit a spectator on the final climb? Same time.
Crash or mechanical on a cobbled section of the Le Tour? Group must wait for you to rejoin.
Well if we are going for safety, let's just make every stage a time trial. The percentage of crashes in a TT is so far behind a normal stage it's the only logical step forwards for safety.
F*cking stupid idea and f*cking stupid reasoning in my eyes. This sh*t wasn't an issue a year ago, two years ago, a decade ago.... wasn't an issue 2 weeks ago! Suddenly the f*ckhead C*ntadope falls downs and omg sprints are the end of humanity and must be stopped!
TheManxMissile wrote:
I guess the obvious thing to do then is to give all riders the same time in a TTT. Once the front 5 are across that's the time for the whole team.
Mechanical on the final climb of a stage? Same time. Hit a spectator on the final climb? Same time.
Crash or mechanical on a cobbled section of the Le Tour? Group must wait for you to rejoin.
Well if we are going for safety, let's just make every stage a time trial. The percentage of crashes in a TT is so far behind a normal stage it's the only logical step forwards for safety.
F*cking stupid idea and f*cking stupid reasoning in my eyes. This sh*t wasn't an issue a year ago, two years ago, a decade ago.... wasn't an issue 2 weeks ago! Suddenly the f*ckhead C*ntadope falls downs and omg sprints are the end of humanity and must be stopped!
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Squire wrote:
New cycling meta: Every man and his dog who has GC ambitions attack with 3,3 km remaining to get a gap at the 3km mark.
I don't agree with the 3km suggestion. A race is from A to B, not A to B-3km.
This.
Stopping the clock @ 3k would double the risk as then there'd be basically 2 sprints. 1 for the stage, 1 to possibly get a second or 2. This sprint to gain a second would actually be more dangerous as it'd be contested by riders who aren't particulary used to sprinting...
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I guess the obvious thing to do then is to give all riders the same time in a TTT. Once the front 5 are across that's the time for the whole team.
Mechanical on the final climb of a stage? Same time. Hit a spectator on the final climb? Same time.
Crash or mechanical on a cobbled section of the Le Tour? Group must wait for you to rejoin.
Well if we are going for safety, let's just make every stage a time trial. The percentage of crashes in a TT is so far behind a normal stage it's the only logical step forwards for safety.
F*cking stupid idea and f*cking stupid reasoning in my eyes. This sh*t wasn't an issue a year ago, two years ago, a decade ago.... wasn't an issue 2 weeks ago! Suddenly the f*ckhead C*ntadope falls downs and omg sprints are the end of humanity and must be stopped!
Aaaaaaaaah I was gonna post dat!
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Squire wrote:
New cycling meta: Every man and his dog who has GC ambitions attack with 3,3 km remaining to get a gap at the 3km mark.
I don't agree with the 3km suggestion. A race is from A to B, not A to B-3km.
This.
Stopping the clock @ 3k would double the risk as then there'd be basically 2 sprints. 1 for the stage, 1 to possibly get a second or 2. This sprint to gain a second would actually be more dangerous as it'd be contested by riders who aren't particulary used to sprinting...
My point was slightly tongue in cheek, as there would need to be a rule saying something like "if the peloton is together at 3km etc.", but my point was that there are just too many different race situations to consider. What if the peloton is together, but some riders are left behind in the crosswinds, and they lose another 30 sec in the last 3km? You can't make rules for every situtation, so let's keep the race as it is, and let the riders decide how big a risk they want to take. Nothing can be perfectly safe in pro cycling.
TheManxMissile wrote:
I guess the obvious thing to do then is to give all riders the same time in a TTT. Once the front 5 are across that's the time for the whole team.
Mechanical on the final climb of a stage? Same time. Hit a spectator on the final climb? Same time.
Crash or mechanical on a cobbled section of the Le Tour? Group must wait for you to rejoin.
Well if we are going for safety, let's just make every stage a time trial. The percentage of crashes in a TT is so far behind a normal stage it's the only logical step forwards for safety.
F*cking stupid idea and f*cking stupid reasoning in my eyes. This sh*t wasn't an issue a year ago, two years ago, a decade ago.... wasn't an issue 2 weeks ago! Suddenly the f*ckhead C*ntadope falls downs and omg sprints are the end of humanity and must be stopped!
Would you have spoken same if this had been happened to Froomecheat?
TheManxMissile wrote:
@TSF - Yes. My response would be the same if any rider complained because it's a ludicrous idea and idiotic complaint.... plus i don't like Froome
Okay,then.
But don't the times already get counted at 3km mark for peloton?
TheManxMissile wrote:
@TSF - Yes. My response would be the same if any rider complained because it's a ludicrous idea and idiotic complaint.... plus i don't like Froome
Okay,then.
But don't the times already get counted at 3km mark for peloton?
TheManxMissile wrote:
I take it he means that from 3km GC riders could drop out of the sprint pack and ride in at their own pace behind?
And i can think of a time gaps were given, there was a stage in the '09 Tour were a gap was given because the pack split coming in behind the sprint... exact stage slips my mind
Epernay to Montargis, 2010? Cav won with a two second split.
Anyhow, I think it would be a good idea, but at the same time it's part of the challenge of winning a GT that you have to stay vigilant and keep upright on these sorts of stages. And don't tell me it was a camera that caused the crash-
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It's pointless that's like saying lets have it so that sprinters at the foot of a climb can just walk up and stay in the race! It wouldn't work and it'll never go through. If that happens then it'll take the suspense and tension from racing as a rider could be off the front at 3 kilometres to go take the lead and then be caught before the finish. It would just make racing more negative
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