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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 07-06-2007 14:10
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I thought it would be good to have a topic for each month in which we can talk about the cycling news 
So, first of all, it has been said that Honchar will be fired from the T-Mobile team at the end of this season, because he has failed some internal tests. For the same reason, he won't be picked for the TdF-squad (despite the fact that he won two time trials in TdF last year)
Vandenbroucke tried to commit suicide yesterday.
Cofidis has announced that they will stop their sponsorship at the end of this year. CSC is also considering whether or not to continue, and according to the company's former directory, there's a huge possibility that the company will withdraw.
Jesus Manzano has again been out in the public to tell about his doping experiences. This time, he has said that Valverde also was a part of the doping program at Kelme as early as in 2003. |
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| alex153 |
Posted on 07-06-2007 14:33
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This is just a new way to increse your number of posts isn't it?
I haven't heard about cofidis actually, hopefully that means a new pro tour team that's not french. I think they have to many. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-06-2007 14:39
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actually, I thought Manzano was pretty funny.
saying that we all want to believe that Valverde rides only on vegetables
no way in hell he isn't doped. he's far from the only one, though...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 07-06-2007 14:53
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alex153 wrote:
This is just a new way to increse your number of posts isn't it?
I haven't heard about cofidis actually, hopefully that means a new pro tour team that's not french. I think they have to many.
Yes, sure. My post count is unbelieveably important to me
I'm not a fan of the many French teams in the Pro Tour either, but I'd never hope for a team to "die". I mean, in these doping days, we should just be happy that some companys still want to invest in cycling. For example, I have huge respect for Unibet.com who still hangs on even though they have been treated so bad. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-06-2007 22:07
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seems like it's the day of denials.
Klöden says he isn't boycotting the media.
Quickstep denied any doping products having been found in the other day's raid, and claims only the house of one team member has been searched.
Vandenbroucke denies commiting suicide (although his team manager says otherwise, and tells a very detailed story of how it happened - poor Frank. seems like he has severe issues.)
CSC denies having any thought whatsoever of stopping the team's sponsoring.
Every single one of them claim the media made it all up.
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 08-06-2007 22:59
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I tell you what Saunier Duval have been racking up the results this year, the have had so many wins and seconds Etc. Probably the most succesful but still not on top of UCI ProTour rankings. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-06-2007 23:13
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UCI and the teams will meet during next week. The agenda is not known, but it will most probably be about doping and the Puerto affair - and for that reason, we might see the first riders being excluded from this year's Tour (bye bye Valverde!) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-06-2007 23:22
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I do think it's rather unfair that Valverde is still competing, while most riders where excluded from the moment they were suspects.
there has to be equal treatment. either they're all in or all out. supposedly, by law they should all be in, but....equality above all. at least I think so.
what confuses me the most is basically this:
Menchov was at Illes Balears...and now he's at Rabobank. As for doping, these teams have wildly varying reputations, at least that I know of. somehow I just don't see it all fitting in.
notice I'm not even by a long shot saying Menchov is doped. he's just a random example of the very subjective point I'm trying to make about what's currently going on in my mind.
did I come across making any sense or none at all?
Edited by issoisso on 09-06-2007 23:23
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 10-06-2007 15:51
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The boss of ASO has withdrawn his statements about Riis not being at Le Tour 2007. He says he was misquoted by L'Equipe. Riis is welcome as long as he can explain how Hamilton and Basso managed to dope themselves under his leadership.
In the case about Riis being deleted from ASO's records, he said that they also have deleted the winners of the years from 1997 up until 2005 (Pereiro won in 2006).  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2007 15:56
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CrueTrue wrote:
The boss of ASO has withdrawn his statements about Riis not being at Le Tour 2007. He says he was misquoted by L'Equipe. Riis is welcome as long as he can explain how Hamilton and Basso managed to dope themselves under his leadership.
In the case about Riis being deleted from ASO's records, he said that they also have deleted the winners of the years from 1997 up until 2005 (Pereiro won in 2006).
surprising. yet, not so surprising
Ullrich is under fire, Pantani was doped, and they've always jumped at the slightest chance of putting down Lance (which I feel is justified, btw)
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:03
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i'm sorry thats too far now. 1997-2005. There was no evidence that lance doped, as much as they tried. There was no evidence what so ever. They just hated Lance and they can just jump at taking people off the winners list. Sorry i'm quite supportive of Lance.
Also 1997-2005 what about 2006 |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:05
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I didn't say they were right. I said I didn't find it THAT surprising.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:09
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isso: Based on that, no, it's not surprising. But what I mean by "surprising" is that they don't have the court's words for their accusations. Yes, most of us have realized that Lance was doped, but there is (almost) no proof against him at all. So how can you remove him?
I think it's surprising that ASO just remove people as they feel like it. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:13
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CrueTrue wrote:
isso: Based on that, no, it's not surprising. But what I mean by "surprising" is that they don't have the court's words for their accusations. Yes, most of us have realized that Lance was doped, but there is (almost) no proof against him at all. So how can you remove him?
I think it's surprising that ASO just remove people as they feel like it.
I don't think it's surprising anymore. they removed Unibet.com with a flick of the wrist 
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:16
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yeah French law doesn't allow the advertising of Gambling companies. But i don't see why that means the exclusion of a cycling team.
At the moment the ASO are the most stupid sporting organisatons in sport at the present. Once someone wins, thats it. Unless there is hard hitting proof they use performance enhancing drugs they can't (morally anyway) take away the victory. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:20
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doddy13 wrote:
yeah French law doesn't allow the advertising of Gambling companies.
that's just some excuse they came up with so they can refuse a ProTour team and "assert their power"
idiots.
the proof that it's just a scam is pretty simple:
1. the team ofered to ride without the Unibet sponsorship or name. they were refused.
2. last year when it was a continental team and had the SAME SPONSOR, ASO invited them to a few events.
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| AaB-ern |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:25
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issoisso wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
yeah French law doesn't allow the advertising of Gambling companies.
that's just some excuse they came up with so they can refuse a ProTour team and "assert their power"
Actually, it's the same here in Denmark
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:27
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AaB-ern wrote:
issoisso wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
yeah French law doesn't allow the advertising of Gambling companies.
that's just some excuse they came up with so they can refuse a ProTour team and "assert their power"
Actually, it's the same here in Denmark
then explain the lotto team having no problems riding in france
and what about AC Milan? bwin.com sponsorship right on the front of the shirt....they have no problems playing in france...
Edited by issoisso on 10-06-2007 16:27
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:29
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issoisso wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
yeah French law doesn't allow the advertising of Gambling companies.
that's just some excuse they came up with so they can refuse a ProTour team and "assert their power"
idiots.
the proof that it's just a scam is pretty simple:
1. the team ofered to ride without the Unibet sponsorship or name. they were refused.
2. last year when it was a continental team and had the SAME SPONSOR, ASO invited them to a few events.
Yes Unibet did everything they can do.
But this fight Uci vs,ASO is all about power in cycling world and money. This si not ended yet. Uci is in real trouble with hes protour licenses, calendar plannings etc. etc. Something will be changed. |
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| sakai5 |
Posted on 10-06-2007 16:34
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There is a battle of powers in cycling. UCI vs ASO, and Unibet.com is unfortunately in the middle.
UCI imposed Pro Tour league. And ASO look it as a threat, because all Pro Tour teams are allow to participate in the big events and these event organizers must accept them.
I think this have an advantage because teams turn to be more profissional and sponsors extend the contracts because the big initial investement.
However as you saw in Giro there were some teams that were just walking because it wasn't for their major interest. (this is the point of the ASO)
Conclusion: Who has the right to choose the participants? |
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