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PCM14: AI behavior
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| Rin |
Posted on 19-06-2014 20:25
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A thread for AI behavior
I am aware that there are some stuff that might be weird around and there was an attempt to list them but somehow it got under and down.
So this is a new attempt (PCM14) but with some rules:
Template:
- Upload your replay (no youtube videos, save the replay ingame and upload it)
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode?
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining)
- What happens there?
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
All posts without the template will be deleted so no discussions and if there is really any need there are other threads for it
Edited by Rin on 19-06-2014 20:26
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| SuperJelle |
Posted on 08-07-2014 01:37
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Since my game keeps crashing in the middle of the replay I can't state the exact km remaining.
- Career mode - first season.
- Happens with approx. 40 km remaining (after 3 of the big favourites have gone off and I've pursued some two-starred favorites to get my goal of a top 5.
- What happens is the following: The big three-stared favourite Boonen (along with some other two- and one-stared favorites) decides that they'll gladly let the Ronde van vlaanderen slip out of their hands if the non-favorite Breschel doesn't single-handedly catch the front four. Breschel (controlled by me) slows down to around 35 effort and since Boonen and the rest of the minor favourties stay behind and miss the change to win by more than six (!) minutes.
- I would like the AI to treat me (human) just like the rest of the AI. It's almost like it allies with itself and it's 9 vs 191 riders.
The favorite should act like a favorite and at the very least participate in catching the front guys and in this case realistically pull on their own.
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| hangokim |
Posted on 25-07-2014 10:50
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I completely agree with SuperJelles post #2.
The AI will very rarely let any of the human controlled riders get away at any given time of a stage and there is no logic in the riders the peloton will not chase when they try to get in a breakaway and what riders the peloton chases.
I play on hard and has found it nearly impossible to place any teammate (regardless of their placement in the GC and lack of star status) in breakaways to help a leader for a strategic attack later on.
It is frustrating that much better AI controlled riders are allowed in break aways all the time while you can just try and try and only once in a while get any rider to break away from the peloton.
The AI also behaves against all logic in break aways as correctly pointed out by SuperJelle and the favorites does not put in the effort that they would have realistically done.
This was also a problem in PCM13 as well but it seems as if the AI is even worse in this regard in PCM14.
To me it makes the game almost not worth playing which is a shame since I have been almost addicted since PCM 2008  |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 27-07-2014 21:53
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Getting really annoyed with this game now. Raced a number of classics with Cannondale now. Usually ends up with Sagan (me) + 5 - 6 of the favourites in the final group (that's fine - it's realistic).
Then, with about 10km remaining, 1 will attack (if I attack they close me down). If I follow, they all follow me, if I don't they usually sit up and let the attacker solo off for an easy win. If I mark all the attacks, Sagan gets tired out and I lose anyway. I've had this happen to me with Terpstra, Kristoff, Demare (?) and a couple of others winning stages this way.
In short, it's as if the AI riders are all members of the same team, attacking an isolated opponent. |
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| kida |
Posted on 27-07-2014 22:44
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Now I have no (hard)evidence to back this up with but I've always thought that it was the AI teams vs the human player. |
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| breezer |
Posted on 28-07-2014 04:30
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kida wrote:
Now I have no (hard)evidence to back this up with but I've always thought that it was the AI teams vs the human player.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 28-07-2014 05:31
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breezer wrote:
kida wrote:
Now I have no (hard)evidence to back this up with but I've always thought that it was the AI teams vs the human player.
+1
Indeed. Its felt that way for years. I dont remember PCM 11 much but definitely 12, 13 and apparently 14 as well.
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| JD317 |
Posted on 28-07-2014 09:13
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Plus another on better AI. I can't remember ever having a rider in a breakaway. Crazy.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 28-07-2014 09:24
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Yeah it feels like the AI doesn't always care who wins, as long as it's not the human player.
Kinda annoying in my opinion, and i would prefer sometimes getting help from the AI and get a somewhat easier race, than playing this unrealistic game of human vs all AI teams who refuse to ride each other in.
I hope that they will focus on that in the next edition of the game |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 28-07-2014 10:22
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They should patch it to ease the problem.
I won classics frequently in PCM 2013 using Turgot (Roubaix) and won several with Cancellara. I think however that they did have the benefit of at least 1 strong classics teammate, Sagan has none at Cannondale!
To be honest, it's maybe realistic that I keep finishing top 5 but never winning with him (look at the last 2 years for him), but it's the manner that the losses occur. Terpstra pulling away from 6km out is realistic but is Demare and Kristoff? And of course the lack of support from the likes of Cancellara. |
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| hangokim |
Posted on 29-07-2014 12:56
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Agreed it should be fixed - and hopefully in a patch to 2014 rather than wait for the 2015-game (which I am not sure I will buy)
And as Dee-Jey correctly points out in post #4 the AI behavior in break aways is also extremely frustrating. I too have tried numerous times to work hard in a breakaway without any help from the AI riders what so ever just to see the AI riders either attack, follow my attack (to prevent me from winning the stage) or let another AI rider get an easy solo win.
As a single player game the game is almost unplayable as a result of the unrealistic AI. |
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| Shippior |
Posted on 29-07-2014 18:43
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Just signed up to post this:
So it just happened that one of my team captains fell back in a large group because he wasnt based on the front of the peloton when doing a small climb, I was more worried about 2 other in my team, wearing respectively the yellow and green jersey but nonetheless I would want to keep his top 10 ranking.
Luckily for me there were a few other team members in the same group so that we could up the pace and ride back to the peloton, weren't it that it was quite a large group (~50) and they all decided to ride collectively alond the road, blocking the entire width of the road making it unable for any of my team members to get at the head of the group to speed up. Really annoying and this cost my 2nd guy a fair 10 minutes.
Such ridiculous designed AI. |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 29-07-2014 19:32
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Thing is, each of these is possibly realistic. On short climbs there's always a risk of being held up if you're at the back if the front powers away.
Plus, for my current game Peter Sagan has had a tendency to finish top 10/5 butnot win! So maybe we're complaining about realistic (but annoying) things.
Mind you, i screwed up in Flanders and missed the favourites attacking whilst i tried to get some team mates back in touch; Sagan was able to chase down most apart from Boonen, Vanmarcke and Cancellara who (you guessed it) relayed co-operatively to 1km before contesting the sprint (Boonen won)! Precisely the thing that doesnt happen when i'm the final group!
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| silent_control |
Posted on 30-07-2014 09:39
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Dee-Jay wrote:
They should patch it to ease the problem.
I won classics frequently in PCM 2013 using Turgot (Roubaix) and won several with Cancellara. I think however that they did have the benefit of at least 1 strong classics teammate, Sagan has none at Cannondale!
To be honest, it's maybe realistic that I keep finishing top 5 but never winning with him (look at the last 2 years for him), but it's the manner that the losses occur. Terpstra pulling away from 6km out is realistic but is Demare and Kristoff? And of course the lack of support from the likes of Cancellara.
A similar thing has just happened to me in Paris - Roubaix. Demare attacked (but with more kms left, about 30-40 I think) and it was impossible to reduce the distance to him. He was gaining seconds like crazy. I tried to get to him by using Vanmarcke / Sagan with dot 85 (who were pretty fresh) and he was still gaining time on me. Then, the AI Cancellara attacked on flat and gave me distance, but he was as well unable to catch Demare. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 30-07-2014 10:17
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Daily form? |
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| silent_control |
Posted on 30-07-2014 10:38
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0 / +1. And also, the AI Cancellara seemed pretty strong. |
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| bogas21 |
Posted on 31-07-2014 20:18
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my team in career mode at 2019
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| Dusen |
Posted on 31-07-2014 21:05
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Would be nice if we could actually see the stats, and not just the avreage |
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| bogas21 |
Posted on 01-08-2014 09:06
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| Dusen |
Posted on 01-08-2014 13:10
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Kudus 79 flat 
Don't think that will ever happend 
But very nice team, great squad that can ride for the win in all types of races. |
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