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The Cobbler 2.2pct Released
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 04-04-2014 18:46
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The 2nd installment of Issue - The PCT has been released.
https://www.mediafire.com/view/g2ublyi...2.2pct.pdf
It covers the PCT Cobble team Rankings along with a new featue for the PCT and PT this year a review of the top support riders.
If you uncover any errors pleas PM me it is important for me to be as accurate as I possibly can and only your feedback can help me.
Issue 2.2pt should be ready for release on Tuesday the 8th of April.
Enjoy!
Edited by Mhaley45 on 04-04-2014 18:47
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 04-04-2014 18:50
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Boo on not mentioning Vaitkus (70CO, 78FL, 78SP) He should be with Cav and Vantomme I guess 
On a more serious note: Nice piece of writing 
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 04-04-2014 18:56
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Another nice update but you were off the mark on CSC. 
Altur will get his chances to win the 2 C2 races while then being the helper for Ventoso in our HC and C1 races. Yes, I'm "wasting" race days to put Ventoso on the cobbles. A fun experiment that I hope pays off.
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| Heine |
Posted on 04-04-2014 18:57
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Another issue  great read
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 04-04-2014 19:00
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No Bikienga... was expected Another nice read, thanks Mhaley. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 04-04-2014 19:04
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Best cobbler edition I think so far - wonderful work mhaley.
Really deep analysis and I do think like you say having a couple of good cobblers per race is handy not least because of the points on offer.
The only concern I had was really the sight of once leaders attack everyone else just drops back and finishes on masse with much lesser riders.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-04-2014 19:38
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Who the fuck is J.K. Bingham?? 
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 04-04-2014 19:42
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cio93:
You got me again it should be Jo Kogstad Ringheim.
After we find a couple more oops I will post an updated copy.
Thanks for reading.
SMOWZ:
Yes I do stress depth on the cobbles. Other than on the Grand Tours I think the cobble raced demand depth more than any other terrain. Even sprinters can have success with just 1 strong leadout man, but on a long cobble race it is near impossible to have the legs without help.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-04-2014 19:45
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Thanks
But to add some actual information to my contribution here:
I actually didn't apply for any cobbled races besides the HC ones I'm obliged to ride as I don't see more points potential there than with one of Ciolek, Nerz or Kelderman who have enough race days to cover all C1 races.
And even in those I ride, I omitted Minard as he's busy leading some C2 races and helping Ciolek in all of his races, that's definitely of higher priority to me.
Though I do fancy my Top 5 chances next season when Quickstep are gone and I have a trio of 77, 76, 75 in Daniel, Ringheim and Declerq.
Of course a good read once again!
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-04-2014 20:06
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Nice read!
It was only a mid-transfers decision to go for Lagab/Bakari since I was going to have to ride some cobbled races anyway - nice to see that alone puts me in the Top 10 of cobbled squads. Interesting to see what can come from it.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 04-04-2014 22:56
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Another great read. The availability of cobbled races to PCT teams in comparison with the CT calendar (C2/C2HC at least) makes cobbles more relevant to PCT gameplan (imo). Intersting to see both who are taking the cobbles seriously vs. those who are obviously trying to avoid whenever possible.
Of course the PT will offer the biggest cobbled battlegrounds - looking forward to reading your take on the 2014 position in PT particularly with BPost adding to the mix .
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 04-04-2014 23:00
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Great read indeed. You may be slightly overrating my team, Hornbach looks a stronger team to me, although I guess Franzoi will indeed suffer due to his sprinting stat being no other than atrocious. Still with such depth I think Hornbach will be tough to beat.
De Maar, Vanbilsen and Steurs will be indeed the key, two classics win would be enough for me this season, as long as we get constant placings in all the races I'd be happy.
Btw, I think Steegmans is overrated on the hill rankings in that table heh
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-04-2014 23:06
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Scorchio wrote:
Another great read. The availability of cobbled races to PCT teams in comparison with the CT calendar (C2/C2HC at least) makes cobbles more relevant to PCT gameplan (imo). Intersting to see both who are taking the cobbles seriously vs. those who are obviously trying to avoid whenever possible.
Of course the PT will offer the biggest cobbled battlegrounds - looking forward to reading your take on the 2014 position in PT particularly with BPost adding to the mix .
Yeah I'm interested to see what he thinks as well.
Great read Mhaley - you are right about Baugnies, his lack of sprint is a huge problem. I distinctly remember Vanspeybrouck taking advantage of it once or twice. The big thing is that he is just about the best sprinter of the big favourites in the division. I really think because of this, though, Geraint Thomas could be a big one to watch to take a classic or two.
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 04-04-2014 23:25
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Interesting analysis and great detail! The Cobbler makes the cobble season a lot more fun.
Indeed curious to see how the AI handles this situation where the four strongest leaders are all slow finishers and a considerable part of the support force is in their teams. Hope they go for a very aggressive tactic. If they work together, they can stay away.
Alakagom is right about Steegmans btw.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 04-04-2014 23:41
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I think you've underestimated Boeing's cobbled set up. Thomas was constantly a threat last season with near enough the exact same support set up (Bucciero replaced by Bolivar) and more often missed out via poor tactics rather than poor support.
Grashev lines up with 75CB and a better HL than most, then that's followed by Sparling and Hristov who both proved they can handle themselves on the cobbles. Routely is still sprightly enough and Gyurov popped in some surprises last season.
A repeat of our C1 style of performances, now without B-Post, at the HC level and Thomas might get his first team victory. Or at least provide consistent threat, if he's in a group he will be one of the best.
Or we fail, get relegated and have one hell of a riot in the CT with a 79/75/75/74 bonanza, plus trainings and acquisitions
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 05-04-2014 00:04
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If everybody agreed with The Cobbler's ratings, we could just tally the points now, but that would not be any fun. trying to anticipate the outcomes of the PCT's hilly cobble races is significantly moe difficult than the flat cobble races. It is very possible Steegmans may not perform as predicted, but remember these additional ideas. Very few PCT cobblers are strong on the hills. Matteo Trentin and Marko Kump will be wild cards in these races. Steegmans will rise to the top, how much higher will be the question.
The PCT races will be interesting watching. Quickstep would love to pull a Radio Shack and just push the pace until everybody implodes. Hornbach, Allianz and Gazelle will hope for an explosive attack near the end that will drop the sprinters.
The teams with fast closers will need to control the attacks to keep their fast closers in the lead group. How PCM13 will respond to those team needs will be fun to watch and a big reason quickstep gets the top nod. under any scenario it is very hard to see Baugnies not on a podium.
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Posted on 05-04-2014 00:25
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Mhaley45 wrote:
If everybody agreed with The Cobbler's ratings, we could just tally the points now, but that would not be any fun. trying to anticipate the outcomes of the PCT's hilly cobble races is significantly moe difficult than the flat cobble races. It is very possible Steegmans may not perform as predicted, but remember these additional ideas. Very few PCT cobblers are strong on the hills. Matteo Trentin and Marko Kump will be wild cards in these races. Steegmans will rise to the top, how much higher will be the question.
I'm beginning to suspect there might be something wrong with the db you are using. Steegmans has 68 HI.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 05-04-2014 08:19
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Great read as ever, you hit the nail on the head with my team. Talking of fast finishers, I am curious to how you think Haussler (80SP, 70HIL, 70COB ) will do, although his lack of support will of course leave him vulnerable to breakaways. Looking forward to the PT preview |
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 05-04-2014 10:37
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jph27:
Hausler's (CB/70,ST72) are probably not good enough (without strong support) to stay with the leaders. My AMEXpc guys Breschel (CB/77,ST/76) and Eisel (CB/77,ST/75) get left behind in some races. There are a few short races with just a few cobble sections where the sprinters (Vantomme, Cavendish and Haussler) could be contenders. I think all of the hilly cobble races are longer not short one.
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 05-04-2014 10:48
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The comments made about Steegmans not being the stud helper on the Hilly races is accurate. In preparation for writing an issue, I first collect all of the hard data & raw stats, the formula results I use for the Cobbler and any other notes I want to make sure are included.
For the team rankings I made a chart with Support Riders columns for Flats, Hills, Sprint Finishes then used my formulas to fill in the chart. What I did was miss label the column headings the column for Flats was labeled Hills. Uggggggggg! Stupid Silly errors. The Leaders table was labeled correctly.
I want to thank the readers of the Cobbler for their patience.
So Steegmans may not be the stud on the Hills but his is THE FLATs monster.
I really do enjoy the feedback you all provide. It makes me think. Are my theories correct? The best products are always a collaboration of talented people blending a their concepts together.
I see The Cobbler as a way to do that. The Cobbler flings a concept on the paper, but you the other team managers have a chance to agree or disagree and then the best part is when you explain why you agree or disagree.
Someday maybe our (PCM Daily's) relationship will be strong enough with the PCM producers/developers that we could have a small committee make suggestions for improvements to the game as we play it. Yea I know pass the crack pipe!
Thanks for reading.
Edited by Mhaley45 on 05-04-2014 10:51
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