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Tour of Tasmania Discussion
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 13:58
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It's not going to start for another couple of days, but it can't hurt to get the discussion started already now!
The end of a long season is nearing - the sprinters and timetriallists of the ProTour might even end their season here in Tasmania, since they wont be of much use to their teams in the upcoming Lombardia.
The opening stage offers a flat finish, but there are plenty of climbs of various length along the way - the most notable being the early category 3 climb, which measures over 15 km.
In spite of this, several undeterred sprinters have made the trip to contend their final opportunity of the year.  Swift,  Van Stayen and Tasmanian  Goss are some of the most prominant ones.
Then we get to the decisive stages, where ProTour leader Taylor Phinney could secure victory in the individual PT ranking and take Wikipedia one step closer to becoming the best team if he can survive stage 2 and then use his strength against the clock to claim a strong result in the overall.
He will of course have to take on Wikipedia's PT victory rivals Koenigsegg and  Yuri Trofimov, who could be tough to overtake in the time trial if he sprints home bonus seconds on the first two stages.
 Robert Gesink is another strong bet after his bronze medal in the TT worlds, while Cancellara and  Coppel could upset the stronger climbers if the hilly stage isn't too selective - which a rainbow-clad  Edvald Boasson Hagen will try to prevent together with  Schumacher,  Ponzi and others.
It's also going to be interesting to see how far  Van den Broeck can go in the overall. Puma have the upper hand on B&O and Heineken at the verge of the relegation zone at the moment, and the Danish team don't really have anyone for the overall here. Heineken meanwhile rely on  Koren, who'll be dangerous if he's still close in the GC when the time trial comes.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 02-02-2014 14:07
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Well I'm hoping for a selective hilly stage.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 14:14
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PCM gods, if you have pitty, make this a good hilly stage. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 02-02-2014 14:17
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The hilly stage looks tough enough to cause a selection, but enough of one to eliminate Phinney? I think an attacking Schumacher or Trofimov may just nip enough time.
Though for Phinney to actually guarantee overall victory he needs to drop Coppel and Canc.
Should be quite exciting this with so much on the line.
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| Sykkel_Freak |
Posted on 02-02-2014 15:33
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Despite the TT only being 15 kilometers, I don't think Di Maggio can do much in the GC, here. My hope is that Dan Craven is able to hang on to the favorite group on the hilly stage. With a good time trial and a bit of luck he might be able to finish in the top 10.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 15:38
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Well well well...this is it.
As the others, I pray for a somewhat selective hilly stage.
Selective enough to drop the TTers with lower hill stats like Coppel, Cancellara and of course especially Koren, but not too selective so that VDB can overtake guys like Ulissi or Di Maggio in the TT...
Which is, knowing PCM12, a somewhat rare outcome of this race.
I have to admit I will test stage 2 a few times before the race starts to get an idea of the gameplay, this is just way too important for us.
Stage 1 will be interesting as well with Haedo present for Heineken, but there are quite some strong sprinters here that hopefully take the bigger points away.
Overall, we need to come back having any kind of advantage over Heineken and a decently sized gap to B&O.
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| beagle |
Posted on 02-02-2014 17:04
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I belong to that group of managers hoping for non-selective hilly stage  Then Clement or even Kluge could finish on decent overall places. Also Dan Holloway could delight me in opening stage. Hopefully he´ll have a good day.
Phinney is the beast & Wikipedia has their title in the pocket, I guess. Regarding to relegation battle, I believe Puma will score enough (or almost) of points to secure PT for next season.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 20:33
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cio93 wrote:
Well well well...this is it.
As the others, I pray for a somewhat selective hilly stage.
Selective enough to drop the TTers with lower hill stats like Coppel, Cancellara and of course especially Koren, but not too selective so that VDB can overtake guys like Ulissi or Di Maggio in the TT...
Which is, knowing PCM12, a somewhat rare outcome of this race.
I have to admit I will test stage 2 a few times before the race starts to get an idea of the gameplay, this is just way too important for us.
Stage 1 will be interesting as well with Haedo present for Heineken, but there are quite some strong sprinters here that hopefully take the bigger points away.
Overall, we need to come back having any kind of advantage over Heineken and a decently sized gap to B&O.
Let us know how the tests go to build anticipation 
Hopefully Santander will be in both breakaways.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-02-2014 20:39
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mb2612 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Well well well...this is it.
As the others, I pray for a somewhat selective hilly stage.
Selective enough to drop the TTers with lower hill stats like Coppel, Cancellara and of course especially Koren, but not too selective so that VDB can overtake guys like Ulissi or Di Maggio in the TT...
Which is, knowing PCM12, a somewhat rare outcome of this race.
I have to admit I will test stage 2 a few times before the race starts to get an idea of the gameplay, this is just way too important for us.
Stage 1 will be interesting as well with Haedo present for Heineken, but there are quite some strong sprinters here that hopefully take the bigger points away.
Overall, we need to come back having any kind of advantage over Heineken and a decently sized gap to B&O.
Let us know how the tests go to build anticipation
Abusing the fact that he has access to the startlist to go and find out what is most likely going to happen before the report? Cio had better not post a thing...
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| cio93 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 20:51
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It's not about the startlist.
Yes, I use it, but I don't count points or something, it's just to get an accurate representation of rider types present to get a good gameplay and I don't want to spend time selecting WT teams and rosters to make it realistic.
Everyone can download the stages, make it a PT race and draw more or less the same conclusions from it.
I guess it's not the best thing to post it, but I wouldn't go so far to call it abuse.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 20:59
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Hoping the sprinters dont get over the hill, then maybe Sano can get a decent result seeing as he sometimes outperforms my sprinters for some reason
Not expecting much tho, but hoping for some breakaways.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-02-2014 21:06
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cio93 wrote:
It's not about the startlist.
Yes, I use it, but I don't count points or something, it's just to get an accurate representation of rider types present to get a good gameplay and I don't want to spend time selecting WT teams and rosters to make it realistic.
Everyone can download the stages, make it a PT race and draw more or less the same conclusions from it.
I guess it's not the best thing to post it, but I wouldn't go so far to call it abuse.
It's not about counting the points, it is about finding out what will likely happen, before the reports. Do that and what is the point of having the reports?
There's a clear difference between getting an idea about the stage from using the Daily DB with it, and using the ManGame DB with the actual race startlist.
Did you make the DB? The Startlist? Are you reporting the race? No x3. So it is clearly taking advantage / abusing your reporting position. It is why I do not make the ManGame DB publicly available. Clearly reporters have to have the DB, but I would have liked to think they could be trusted...
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| ember |
Posted on 02-02-2014 23:13
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I'm just hoping that the hilly stage proves selective. Then Boasson Hagen should at least have a chance at something here, and if he doesn't grab it, like in Norway, we can't complain at all.
I know all talk is about the title and the battle to avoid relegation, but this race is crucial for the battle for 10th as well
I'm just hoping we'll still be in with a fair opportunity to make it into the top 10 before Giro di Lombardia.
Really looking forward to the race and reports, I suspect they will be nerve-wracking for all active managers who are still involved in some kind of a fight in the overall team ranking
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| cio93 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 23:18
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Yeah, I get it. I'm sorry and rather report Beijing the next time I open PCM12 for sure.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 02-02-2014 23:22
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ember wrote:
I know all talk is about the title and the battle to avoid relegation, but this race is crucial for the battle for 10th as well
Gesink vs Hagen vs Ulissi will decide who gets the last place in the top 10. But I'm pretty sure we won't have an answer until after Lombardia is finished
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| ember |
Posted on 02-02-2014 23:44
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That's my hope, although I think Gesink and your team have a great chance running away from us in Tasmania, but we shall see! |
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 03-02-2014 00:07
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Ouch. I can't see us getting anything out of this race. If it stays together, maybe we have a shot at the top 10 in the TT. I have a feeling that Haedo will find a way to fuck it up in his, what I'm fairly sure will be, last race for us.
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| dave92 |
Posted on 03-02-2014 20:08
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I'm bringing pretty much my strongest team possible and Phinney should be strong enough to fight Trofimov, while Van Garderen will be able to help out as well. Goss taking a good result out on the first stage could also add some points.
I can see Coppel sticking in there during the hill stage and pulling out a big result.
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| Roman |
Posted on 04-02-2014 00:41
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Would be amazing if Coppel could keep himself in the competition in the hilly stage, but I don't expect he can keep himself in the leading group really. It looks too hard for him. Still it would be great if he could do a big result in his really likely last real race in my jersey.
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-02-2014 07:11
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No expectations here. My lineup is simply too weak
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