I have worked to crack the training progression code based on available info on this forum. Having succeeded I am now working on an xls spreadsheet designed to help selecting training program and coach.
I am currently questioning the value of 1 point increased based on the rider's current level and the nature of the competence.
I give you an example to be clear: is it better to increase SP note from 79 to 80 or HIL note from 71 to 74 for a given rider?
To be more precise if a rider currently got 79 in SP and 71 in HIL how much HIL point increase is as appreciable as a SP 1 point increase?
I am contemplating building a table such as
Note
Flat
Mountain
Hills
Time Trial
Prologue
Cobblestones
Sprint
Acceleration
Downhill
Stamin
Resistance
Recovery
50
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
51
1,0
1,1
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
52
1,0
1,2
1,1
1,1
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
1,0
53
1,1
1,2
1,1
1,1
1,1
1,0
1,0
1,1
1,1
1,1
1,1
1,1
54
1,1
1,3
1,2
1,1
1,1
1,0
1,0
1,1
1,1
1,1
1,1
1,1
55
1,2
1,4
1,3
1,2
1,2
1,0
1,0
1,2
1,2
1,2
1,2
1,2
56
1,2
1,4
1,4
1,3
1,2
1,0
1,0
1,2
1,2
1,2
1,3
1,2
57
1,2
1,5
1,4
1,3
1,2
1,0
1,0
1,2
1,2
1,2
1,3
1,2
58
1,3
1,6
1,5
1,4
1,3
1,0
1,0
1,3
1,3
1,3
1,4
1,3
59
1,3
1,7
1,6
1,4
1,3
1,0
1,0
1,3
1,3
1,3
1,5
1,3
60
1,4
1,8
1,7
1,5
1,4
1,0
1,1
1,4
1,4
1,4
1,5
1,4
61
1,4
1,9
1,8
1,6
1,4
1,1
1,1
1,4
1,4
1,4
1,6
1,4
62
1,5
2,0
1,9
1,6
1,5
1,2
1,2
1,5
1,5
1,5
1,7
1,5
63
1,5
2,1
2,0
1,7
1,5
1,3
1,3
1,5
1,5
1,5
1,8
1,5
64
1,6
2,2
2,1
1,8
1,6
1,3
1,4
1,6
1,6
1,6
1,9
1,6
65
1,6
2,3
2,2
1,8
1,6
1,4
1,5
1,6
1,6
1,6
2,0
1,6
66
1,7
2,4
2,4
1,9
1,7
1,5
1,7
1,7
1,7
1,7
2,1
1,7
67
1,7
2,5
2,5
2,0
1,7
1,7
1,8
1,7
1,7
1,7
2,2
1,7
68
1,8
2,7
2,6
2,1
1,8
1,8
1,9
1,8
1,8
1,8
2,3
1,8
69
1,9
2,8
2,8
2,2
1,9
1,9
2,1
1,9
1,9
1,9
2,4
1,9
70
1,9
3,0
2,9
2,3
1,9
2,0
2,2
1,9
1,9
1,9
2,5
1,9
71
2,0
3,1
3,1
2,4
2,0
2,2
2,4
2,0
2,0
2,0
2,7
2,0
72
2,1
3,3
3,3
2,5
2,1
2,3
2,6
2,1
2,1
2,1
2,8
2,1
73
2,1
3,5
3,5
2,6
2,1
2,5
2,8
2,1
2,1
2,1
3,0
2,1
74
2,2
3,6
3,7
2,7
2,2
2,7
3,0
2,2
2,2
2,2
3,1
2,2
75
2,3
3,8
3,9
2,8
2,3
2,8
3,3
2,3
2,3
2,3
3,3
2,3
76
2,4
4,0
4,1
3,0
2,4
3,0
3,5
2,4
2,4
2,4
3,4
2,4
77
2,4
4,3
4,4
3,1
2,4
3,3
3,8
2,4
2,4
2,4
3,6
2,4
78
2,5
4,5
4,6
3,2
2,5
3,5
4,1
2,5
2,5
2,5
3,8
2,5
79
2,6
4,7
4,9
3,4
2,6
3,7
4,4
2,6
2,6
2,6
4,0
2,6
80
2,7
5,0
5,1
3,5
2,7
4,0
4,8
2,7
2,7
2,7
4,2
2,7
81
2,8
5,2
5,4
3,7
2,8
4,3
5,2
2,8
2,8
2,8
4,4
2,8
82
2,9
5,5
5,7
3,9
2,9
4,6
5,6
2,9
2,9
2,9
4,7
2,9
83
3,0
5,8
6,1
4,0
3,0
4,9
6,0
3,0
3,0
3,0
4,9
3,0
84
3,1
6,1
6,4
4,2
3,1
5,2
6,5
3,1
3,1
3,1
5,1
3,1
85
3,2
6,4
6,8
4,4
3,2
5,6
7,0
3,2
3,2
3,2
5,4
3,2
86
3,3
6,8
7,2
4,6
3,3
6,0
7,5
3,3
3,3
3,3
5,7
3,3
It means I value 7.5 time more increase from 85 to 86 in SP rather than from 50 to 51 in flat.
Any comment and ideas would appreciated to improve this table.
PS: I will then use this table to score training plan x coach so as to help choosing the best training option.
PS2: I can (try to) answer any question you may have on training system and progress
Edited by duxili on 28-10-2013 12:25
I am currently questioning the value of 1 point increased based on the rider's current level and the nature of the competence.
If you mean 'I want to find out the absolute added value between 70 in MO and 71 in MO' then that would be really interesting, but also tough to answer, because many stats can be useful in multiple scenarios. Determining the real added value can be hard.
If you mean 'I want to compare the usefulness of stat X to stat Y on various levels in order to determine what skill to level up first', then you'll end up with a system that is completely subjective and arbitrary. You will almost literally be comparing apples and oranges.
Edited by ShortsNL on 28-10-2013 12:39
ShortsNL wrote:
If you mean 'I want to find out the absolute added value between 70 in MO and 71 in MO' then that would be really interesting, but also tough to answer, because many stats can be useful in multiple scenarios. Determining the real added value can be hard.
If you mean 'I want to compare the usefulness of stat X to stat Y on various levels in order to determine what skill to level up first', then you'll end up with a system that is completely subjective and arbitrary. You will almost literally be comparing apples and oranges.
That is both actually. I get your point so you would advise dropping the idea of a generic scoring advising about what training program to choose?
If you are trying to come up with a formula for which training to use (i.e. Climber, Puncher, Northern Classics etc), then there is already a simple table available which gives you clear values. It simply shows how much a certain schedule will boost a stats rate of development.
For other non-related stats (i.e. Climber boost MO but not SP) then the rate of progression is defined elsewhere (specific location escapes me).
I don't want to disappoint you, but I believe there already is a very detailed post about this somewhere.
I'm sure someone can link to it faster than I could from my mobile.
cio93 wrote:
I don't want to disappoint you, but I believe there already is a very detailed post about this somewhere.
I'm sure someone can link to it faster than I could from my mobile.
Thanks, yeap, I found a very detailed post [url]https://ww38.pcmdaily.fmfreaks.dk/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=25052&highlight=trainer+impact&pid=592671#post_592671
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If you have in mind another one, I have been unable to find and would be interested to confront to.
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