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| Jundra |
Posted on 19-08-2013 00:20
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Hello all,
I have a couple questions about trainers.
1: Do the AI trainers change their training programs periodically or does it remain what it was set on for the rider indefinitely until you manually change it?
2: When do the stats move up from the training... is it at a set interval or just kinda whenever?
Thanks for your time,
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-08-2013 00:50
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1. I think it is nfinite but maybe it changes at the beginning of the year.
2. There is a certain interval (number of days) which is different for each rider. But this does not neccessarely mean that the stats will grow on that day. It depends on the training, trainer, and the general training speed (can be set in the options).
Edited by Lachi on 19-08-2013 00:51
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| Jundra |
Posted on 19-08-2013 01:27
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Thanks Lachi... Once again you've been most helpful to my noobishness |
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| Matrix |
Posted on 19-08-2013 03:05
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Lachi wrote:
1. I think it is nfinite but maybe it changes at the beginning of the year.
2. There is a certain interval (number of days) which is different for each rider. But this does not neccessarely mean that the stats will grow on that day. It depends on the training, trainer, and the general training speed (can be set in the options).
Yes, your trainers stay the same. So if you get a climbing trainer, he is always trainging climbing and downhill.
Yes, after a set number of days, your stats will go up. But a rider with more potential will gain a stat increse faster (or a larger one).
What you set your rider to train in is what he will until you change it.
I found I get best results by picking 1 big goal. Example- TDF
Then I find a stage race trainer, if I can a ledgendary, but depends on you money situation. Sometimes hiring a great trainer will bankrup you.
Next, I pick my intended team for the TDF. And I put each of them with my stage race coach. No other riders go to him, I do add 1-2 other riders incase 1 rider gets hurt. And if I use a camp, I again send only the TDF group. My other rider are my "B Team", and I try to make them somewhat seperate from my main goal team.
True, you may have other races your TDF team will be in. At times your top GC rider may be more fit due to earlier races. In that case, I will switch my GC rider to easier training such as flat. We know most TDF winners are great climbers. So I dont put them in climber training unless they are young. But I dont keep them in it long, if the stage race trainer has a good MT stat...no real need.
My B Team is set to win or do well in races like the Tour of California. I train the B Team riders in areas I feel are needed for that rider. If he is a great TT rider, but awful climber or hill, I set him to train in one of the areas he needs work.
B Team tends to be riders who can do decent damage in shorter races or classics.
Using this method, I have prob 4 trainers at all times. And have done well in most races. Winning stages placing top 5-10 and winning a few. I have won the TDF but it was more luck than training or how I controlled the team. I was in 4th, and was far off the top 3. Well on the last climbing stage, I attacked. I was caught and a counter went as I was caught...it had 6 in the group (top 3 included). Somehow, they crashed on a DH section and I hooked onto a wheel of one of the riders who attacked but was dropped before the crash. Waited a big and attacked at 80% on the final climb. The top 3 had all crashed and my gap over them became 1:00, then 1:37. I managed to bury my rider and won the stage 2:45 ahead, giving me the lead. And the next stage was flat followed by the final day. So I hung onto a lead of 1:56. Had they not fell...no idea where I would of placed.
So this method works. If your a conti or conti pro team, use it still. But, the races you will target wont be as long or hard as the TDF. Thus, you can get by with lower trainers cost if the riders are still decent. You also wont need 4-5 on a conti/conti pro team because you have fewer riders.
Give it a try. And try to keep the riders at 5-8 per trainer. Except wih your main team. My training seems to be better and improve faster doing this. If you try it, hope it works well for you.
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| Jundra |
Posted on 19-08-2013 05:04
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Zoinks! now my brain hurts lol... If I knew anything less about cycling I could probably lose a cycling debate against a can of soup. I'm new to all of this cycling and PCM. So I'm using Bontrager and the real name database 2013 in the continental bracket... Not really sure what I'm suppose to be doing. don't have much money and I'm in March.
Looks like the majority of my team is set to TT training... I'm sure the trainers know better than me since all my dudes are terribad at most things( I think only 2 of my dudes have any stats at 70 let alone above that... Winning a TT my be may best shot of satisfying my sponsor objectives. My 3 team leaders seem pretty good for the bracket... I'm winning races.
So I guess I'll leave them doing what they're doing until next season when I have a better understanding of the game and what makes/how to train a good team.
Thanks again for the help,
-Jundra
Edited by Jundra on 19-08-2013 08:27
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-08-2013 08:32
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@Matrix: What exactly did you try to explain?
In this game you don't need a trainer to prepare for races. Trainer are only needed to raise the stats of the cyclists faster.
@Jundra: The computer does NOT know better. It is not important where your riders are bad at.
If you are using trainers, your goal should be to make your riders better, so look at their strength and the evolution potential (the stars). If you have a good climber who has some stars left in climbing, you should train him climbing (or if he also has great potential in time trial, you should train him as stage racer). |
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| tellico |
Posted on 19-08-2013 10:15
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Exactly. I really dont know what Matrix talking about.
If you want deep knowledge then this is in details how training works, (this is for PCM12 but i think that is no change in PCM13):
https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=25052
If you dont need this just listen to Lachi: only stars and trainer stats has matter to develop rider. |
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| Matrix |
Posted on 19-08-2013 11:48
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tellico wrote:
Exactly. I really dont know what Matrix talking about.
If you want deep knowledge then this is in details how training works, (this is for PCM12 but i think that is no change in PCM13):
https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=25052
If you dont need this just listen to Lachi: only stars and trainer stats has matter to develop rider.
Stage race trainers cover all aspects. If you have a good trainer, and set him to train a rider in stage racing. Your stats that can go up, will go up. Hence setting your GC riders up to stage race train improves all of them in all aspects. You can do the same with a DB editor and up a stat or two a few points. They had an article on this when PCM 11 came out...so far it hasnt been fixed. True, individule trainers work well for seperate stats. But overall stage race trainers with a high reputation cover everything. At one point a rumor on many PCM sites talked about removing stage race trainers. The idea was to make it more real life like. And having to mix and match trainers as a season went on.
If all your riders are good TT riders. Start setting up your short list with hill and mountain riders. Most, not all, TT riders are good on flat. So your going to need a more rounded team come transfer time. My advise is to find who your top riders are and be sure they are with the team next year. Then find decent priced hill, cobble and mountain riders to try to sign next season. Seeing you conti, dont go crazy with spending. Many good riders (and young riders) are around that will help build your team strength without costing you a ton of money.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-08-2013 12:05
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I think you don't understand how training works.
Generally each rider will train each stat no matter what trainer you assign.
Also the trainer is not responsible for the type of training a rider will do.
(So you can also assign no trainer).
The training type defines what the rider should train more as you can see in the image.
(Like I said before, a rider is training all stats so a 0 does not mean no training, it just means normal training.)
If you assign a trainer it can speed up the training effects based on the stats of the trainer. So if a rider is training as stage racer you should assign a trainer who has high stage racer stat. |
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| Jundra |
Posted on 19-08-2013 16:37
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I had that Training picture and was using that... i didn't know that you don't need a trainer to train stuff... The biggest problem that I have is just ignorance about the sport. I've never followed cycling IRL so most of this is just a general lack of knowledge... lol... I've spent as much time surfing the web just trying to figuring out the slang and acronyms so I can understand what everyone is talking about than actually playing the game.
How do you check "evolution potential"... I've tried searching the forums and google with no luck. I also remember seeing an older post from an earlier game version that suggested scouting your own team. I can't figure out if that's still available and/or how to do that.
I really appreciate everyone's time to help this old dude (me) out with this game.
-Jundra
p.s. I've found the evolution potential and I'm assuming if they have no stars left in a category that the stat is maxed out, is that correct?
Edited by Jundra on 19-08-2013 16:51
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-08-2013 18:50
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Yes, the potential is the stars. No stars = no development.
Each star represents 2 points but since there are only 6 stars possible, it could be more if a rider has 6 stars.
BTW: Much of the training stuff has been discussed in the general career discussion thread lately (page 35 ff.).
Edited by Lachi on 19-08-2013 18:51
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| Jundra |
Posted on 20-08-2013 16:08
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I think I'm getting a handle on this whole training thing with great help from you all. However I've noticed from the rider details tab that the "effectiveness" of the training is bad. Is this due to the trainer, or maybe too many riders being assigned to one trainer?
Also... in a previous post there was a mention of "Short Listing"
A: what is short listing
B: How does short listing work
Thanks again,
-Jundra
Edited by Jundra on 20-08-2013 17:51
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| Lachi |
Posted on 20-08-2013 18:46
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A trainer can only train up to 8 riders effectively.
Every additional rider will make the effectiveness decrease.
The short list allows you to keep track of certain riders, for example if you consider signing them.
You can add any rider to the short list by right clicking his name and then "add to short list".
You can access the short list in the right most menu (I guess it is called world or so).
The short list has the same features as the search. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 20-08-2013 18:56
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Lachi wrote:
A trainer can only train up to 8 riders effectively.
Every additional rider will make the effectiveness decrease.
The short list allows you to keep track of certain riders, for example if you consider signing them.
You can add any rider to the short list by right clicking his name and then "add to short list".
You can access the short list in the right most menu (I guess it is called world or so).
The short list has the same features as the search.
Also, I think the short list has an additional function as well.
If the rider renews his contract or sign with a team, you always read that in the mailbox/news. Even if it's a AVG 63 guy. And I don't think you read about AVG 63 riders who aren't on the shortlist normally, so it's a nice way to keep updated on the rider, but not completely sure about this.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 20-08-2013 19:06
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You are right, but in my opinion it is not very useful.
I rather would get an email before he signs with another team, for example like this: "Dear Lachi, I heard that you are interested in me so I wanted to inform you that team AA has contacted me recently."
But at least you can remove him from the short list easily by right clicking his name in the email. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 20-08-2013 19:10
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Lachi wrote:
You are right, but in my opinion it is not very useful.
I rather would get an email before he signs with another team, for example like this: "Dear Lachi, I heard that you are interested in me so I wanted to inform you that team AA has contacted me recently."
But at least you can remove him from the short list easily by right clicking his name in the email.
True. But it's at least something, especially since I'm someone who puts his shortlist full with 25 riders 
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 21-08-2013 09:09
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Hah Jesley that's normal mate  I usually put 100-ish riders with an ending contract in my shortlist in January, and then in May when 75% have renewed I get to 25 as well.
In that sense, I wish the Shortlist would already give me an e-mail in May when a rider renews, not just in July when he has signed somewhere else.
Edited by ShortsNL on 21-08-2013 09:10
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