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Rider objectives in a Continental career WTF?
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| Jundra |
Posted on 16-08-2013 20:42
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Hello all,
I'm new to both the game and cycling in general and I'm trying to do a continental career. I'm having a really hard time figuring out the rider objective/fitness screen. My riders what to race everything BUT my sponsors goals... if I remove what they want to do and put in what my sponsor wants they are both really pissed off and completely wiped out by mid to late season when the most important goals are taking place. How do you manage this?
Mildly confused,
-Jundra
Edited by Jundra on 22-08-2013 01:06
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| Lachi |
Posted on 16-08-2013 20:49
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Hello and welcome to the forum.
The whole objective/fitness stuff was redone for this years game.
Sadly it is not well though through and has bugs.
Luckily for us the happiness of the riders does not matter because it is also bugged.
I recommend that you only concentrate on the goals of the sponsors. Try to get your best riders in good shape for these races.
But if you are new to the game, then you should rather play with the World-Tour teams due to many reasons. Beneath the objectives of the sponsor and the riders there is also the races which are done better. (In the continental division, many races look exactly the same so you will play the same stage over and over again.
In any case you should get one of the databases which can be found in the download section or the database section of this forum because it will contain more accurate stuff.
Edit: Your question has been asked before. Try to use the forum search or look around a little. This forum has a lot to offer, also the tips and tricks.
Edited by Lachi on 16-08-2013 20:50
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 16-08-2013 20:50
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Well, at first, welcome at the forum 
Secondly, your question. Are you sure you don't let your climbers ride the flat sponsor goals and vice versa? Since climbers want to ride mountain races, of course
Also, rider satisfaction isn't that important. Just keep them moderately happy(well, that's not even necassary), and focus on the fitness schedule and having them peak at the right point.
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| Jundra |
Posted on 16-08-2013 21:41
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thank you for such a fast response... this game is a little daunting to figure out if you haven't played before... I may need to try using higher class team... I picked Bontrager (from the Real Name Database 2013) for the fact that all the riders are pretty young, however with there being only 13 riders it's proving to be a task to set up groups without having most of the riders competing throughout the majority of the season (hence they're getting tired early). Is there any way to manage this or is this just how it is with a small team?
-Jundra
p.s. I've been surfing these forums for hours and the "Search" feature is more complicated than the game... most of the time I either get 0 or 42346054 posts that match my search criteria... so I apologize if I'm duplicating a previous thread.
Edited by Jundra on 16-08-2013 21:48
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 16-08-2013 21:48
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Yes, they should implement a tutorial indeed.
Actually, my first career was a Continental career as well, so it's not impossible. Yes, it's hard to plan a season with just 13 riders, but you should just select less races of course, at least less races where they have to be on top-form.
Also, the number of races doesn't have an effect on fatigue, it's the training schedule(at goals) that does.
Bontrager looks like a solid team choice, very fun team.
I recommend you downloading one of the databases though, it makes the game experience so much better
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| Jundra |
Posted on 16-08-2013 21:53
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Can you dismiss a sponsor objective race without destroying your relationship? or should only race sponsor objectives and dismiss the relentless barrage of emails that say "dude... these fellas want better/more races" |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 16-08-2013 22:13
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I am not sure if I understood correctly.
The sponsor objectives are rated, you should care about the highest ranked objectives most. But the sponsor happiness is not that important either. It mainly matters if you want prolong the contract with your sponsor.
You should not care about these e-mails. I really don't know what Cyanide thought when they programmed it. Small teams like Bontrager don't race so many races, and there aren't enough races which fit an US team anyway. Basically the game developer doesn't care about small teams. |
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| Jundra |
Posted on 16-08-2013 22:28
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thanks so much... I've looked in the schedule and I can cancel team objective races... so you're saying look at the sponsor objectives and may knock off a couple low priority races to ease the schedule a bit and keep riders fresh? or is the freshness/tiredness solely at the helm of the riders objectives
-Jundra
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 16-08-2013 22:34
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The tiredness is indeed about the objectives, or to be precise, the fitness schedule next to it(which you can manually edit at the start of the season by clicking the bars)
Freshness is different,'only interesting in stage-races/many races after each other. (spending too many energy in a stage reduces the freshness in the next stage)
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| Jundra |
Posted on 16-08-2013 22:50
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Thanks again for the quick response... another question about grouping... with only 13 members on my team would it be safe to go with three groups i.e. 1: flat, 2: Hill/ Mountain, 3: Time Trial... or is that putting too much micro management into this small team?
-Jundra
Edited by Jundra on 22-08-2013 01:05
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| Jundra |
Posted on 22-08-2013 01:11
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Can someone Explain the Rider Contract types to me please. What's the difference between young rider and luxury team mate.... is Luxury Team-mate like the water boy to the team.
My dudes want to renew their contracts but I'm not sure if I'm giving them the right options i.e. everyone so far has asked to be a team-mate... even the people that are currently contracted as leader.
As always... thanks for your time,
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| cio93 |
Posted on 22-08-2013 01:16
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There's still a bug that preselects team mate as demanded role for every rider.
A short breakdown:
Leader: obvious
Protected role: leader in races where your top guys aren't participating, last man to help them when they are
Sprinter: obvious
Luxury team mate: protect or do work in the latter parts of a stage or try to get in breaks
Young rider: talented prospect who starts his career by being domestique
Team mate: usual domestique as water carrier or to pull back breaks etc.
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| Jundra |
Posted on 22-08-2013 01:22
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should your leader be the guy that's winning? i.e. the sprinter? or shouldn't the team leader be the overall best guy. Excuse my ignorance, but I'm struggling to understand all the nuances.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 22-08-2013 03:00
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Yes, a leader can be a sprinter too. On a flat classic or stage the leader is your main sprinter. However on a mountain stage your leader is your GC contender, it doesn't mean you have to work for your sprinter on these stages as well.
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| Matrix |
Posted on 22-08-2013 03:52
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Due to the contracts, alot of your team will be with you for 1-2 seasons after your first.
Meaning if they arent unhappy in season 1, they are still stuck on your team (unless you cut them) for awhile. Season 1 will be the hardest. Ride your sponsor goals above anything. Then if you understand the fittnes chart/graph, aim at a race that a couple riders are still going to be in shape for. I look near the end of the year. By then most of the riders should of had some rest and could place in the top 10-15. Not a bad way to end the season, and you may get a stage or race win too.
Now during the season keep your eyes on other teams who have riders coming up to be let go, signed by another team or resigned by the current team. Find some that are better than a rider you have, or one you dont plan to resign. Put them in your shortlist. And try to sign them (4 is plenty to target for a conti team) to improve and/or replace riders.
Season 2, repeat, if you have good results the sponsor will ask for more challanging goals (atleast they feel they are). Ride them above all other races, and then pick a race or 2 you want to try. Dont worry a out a rider who wants a race in his hometown...I had 2 do that and there isnt one near where they are from...just a random remark the game spawns.
Near the end of season 1 you will have a much better feel for the game. By mid season 2, you will know what type riders you need. Always look for riders come time to sign new members who have higher stats in an area your current rider has low stats. Example: if you have a climber with a stat of 67. Look for 68+ to try to sign.
It will sooner or later all add up to you. I feel by playing you lean more. But some learn by reading. Whatever works for you best.
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| Jundra |
Posted on 23-08-2013 00:39
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Thanks Matrix, you've helped me out a lot. I really appreciate the time you took to explain this to me.
-J |
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