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Why wont the peleton let my rider in a breakaway?
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 26-07-2013 17:30
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So it's the second stage in the vuelta and i want to put one of my riders in the breakaway. All my riders are only 4 seconds behind after the Team TT but i want to put one in the break to get some mountain points but everytime i attack with a rider the peleton reels me back in. The two riders i attacked with are both in the low 70's when it comes to Mountains and Hills so are not a threat to the overall standings so why are they not letting my rider escape? i've noticed this a few times in previous races and just don't understand why this is happening. There is already a break but there are only 3 riders in it so it can't be due to having to many riders in the break |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 26-07-2013 17:38
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you answered it in your 2nd sentence to close on the GC to be let go though you will see riders from other teams that are closer being let go it's just how it is lose time with one of them on purpose if you want have a go on the next stage |
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| ticcque |
Posted on 26-07-2013 17:53
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Yes exactly..they won't let you go because you are only 4second down.Regarding number of breakaway rider I don't see it's a problem..In Vuelta stage 3 my rider attack later to join original group of 5 riders and the peloton doesn't chase me. |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 26-07-2013 18:00
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Well that's a bit stupid isn't it. Fair enough if the rider was a overall contender but this rider has absolutely no chance of winning the Tour |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-07-2013 18:01
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DannySymons wrote:
Well that's a bit stupid isn't it. Fair enough if the rider was a overall contender but this rider has absolutely no chance of winning the Tour
They want to keep the yellow jersey. Extra publicity blah blah blah... 
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 26-07-2013 18:02
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Plus isn't there time bonus at the intermediate sprints in the veulta so they could lose the lead? |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 26-07-2013 18:23
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I would agree with both of you there BUT it wasn't the team holding the yellow jersey stopping me, it was which ever team was at the front of the peleton. Also there was a rider only 16 seconds down in the break at the time |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 26-07-2013 18:54
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The AI just races against you sometimes, it is to make the game harder. Live with it. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:11
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Their DS probably is annoyed with the way you cut him up the road last week.
Unless its happening every single race, its just the game. It can be frustrating, but its happens in cycling, sometimes teams just chase down others for no obviously logical reason.
Also, if you have like a truck load of guys 4 seconds down, its probably more that the don't want your team in the break, not that they don't want that particular rider. I'm pretty sure teams chase you if the want you to work too. I find it really hard to get anyone in the break if I'm playing a OPQ Cav team for example, presumably because the teams do not want me sitting there doing nothing all stage because I have a guy in the break (even if the breaker is awful and no chance of GC or even stage win) |
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| texasmed |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:38
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I learned this lesson a few weeks ago. I let this breakaway get away and since it was early in the stage race I figured the AI would pull them back, but instead the break made it and everybody lost 5 minutes, and that guy won the overall. I never let the break get too far in front now, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this 1.3 patch makes things easier.
edit 2 days later: I forgot to mention that I had tried to put a rider in the break at the start of the race and failed several times before finally giving up and resolving to go for the sprint at the end.
Edited by texasmed on 27-07-2013 19:48
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 26-07-2013 20:04
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The riders in the break were probably way down in the overall standings. That does happen on occasions. It's why i always like to have a guy in the break |
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| Matrix |
Posted on 27-07-2013 09:25
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This happens alot at the start of stage races. Unless a rider is way down the GC, they really cant afford to let someone off the front. If your up by 4seconds or only down by 4...teams near you or with a true GC rider cant let you go. Just incase you pull off a win or they have an issue. Because then you could put some serious time on them.
If you want to try a break early, the easy way I have found that works at times is attack at the start. Soon as the group moves attack. Sometimes it out smarts the AI and you can ride away. Other times you get 20s-1m ahead and get caught. I put my worst placed rider on attack at the start of a stage I feel my GC man may win. I wait till I note his gap (if he gets free) is stable then attack with my GC rider and a strong rider or 2. If they dont reel me in before I can bridge to my early escape rider. I can use him as a "spring board" to launch another attack with my riders from the break group. Use relay, and let them rest till they are in a normal heart rate range. Then attack, most times you will get another 20-30s on the main group. It isnt 100% of the time going to work. But it will at times and if it works...you gain time.
Example: Use Saxo, attack with an unknown who is 30s or more down. Put Contador with 1-2 of his chief support riders in the middle or a bit forward of the middle of the main group. If no threat attacks, watch the time gap of your break rider. If a break happens, you may have to counter so dont try the next part if one happens.
Use 1-2 of the mid level riders and attack. They prob will get caught, so let them. Do this 2-3 times, it will tire the pack by upping the speed multiple times. And the AI should also start to not go after you as fast. When that happens...wait till a good spot for your GC rider to gain time. In this example, Contador would be best if its a climb. When your break rider is almost to the climb, launch your GC rider and as mentioned 1-2 of his support riders.
Most times the pack will let them gain 10-20seconds before the AI ups the speed to try to reel you in. You will need to attack again if you havent made it to your original break rider. Once you reach him, if your still ahead if the group by 20-30seconds. Relay with him and up your effort a bit. Once you riders are at a normal heart rate again, and have water, launch an attack off your original attack rider.
I do this alot to get climber points, mixed results. However if you time the 2 attacks right and in an area that you top rider can make time. You are very likely to gain decent time. In your case your 4s down overall, by timing this stratagy well...you should gain atleast 10-15s on your rivals. You may not take the lead, but you will gain time.
Give it a try on a single stage. See how the timing and stage profile work for your riders.
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| the hampshire harrier |
Posted on 27-07-2013 22:07
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Danny, what happens if you initiate the breakaway? Or at least try to?
Edited by the hampshire harrier on 27-07-2013 22:08
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 28-07-2013 22:48
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It took 0.00000000000000001 seconds for the rider second inline (cos i had my team mate ahead to give my rider an extra bike length) to react and immediately draw me back in |
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