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| nacho63 |
Posted on 16-07-2013 18:54
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Absolutely have no clue how to do these, keep on messaging up badly so a quick tutorial on how to get best times would be nice, quick sim gives me so strange results to say the least... |
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| Whomario |
Posted on 16-07-2013 19:24
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you need to experiment a little, in general you should allways put your guy on 70 energy as he starts and then adjust from there so that the green and blue bar stay somewhat even. But of course the length and the terrain play a role here.
As a rule of thumb on all TTs above 15 KM or including hills i also tend to save some energy for the latter part or the climbs, rather keep some green on reserve for those stretches as those are the ones where you can make a difference.
Don´t go all out on downhills in favour of half-assing the hilly parts. Don´t start too fast and run out of steam in the end. Because once the green bar is used up, you slow down a ton. Better fo 10K at 68 instead of 75 that going the last 3K without any energy left.
On real long or hard TTs you might be better of going with 65 to start things off. |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 18-07-2013 06:09
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use the first riders as 'testers' so you know how fast to put your leader at
the way i ride TTs is that i like to set a value at the start and then leave it at that (ie 65, 66, 67)
start by having a rider off with 65 and see where he runs out (he is a helper after all, bugger his GC ambitions)
then change to 66, or 64 and see
note: this method has lead to me finishing the Embrun-Chorges ITT 2nd (+35 to Nibali, and beat Froome&Evans by 6secs) with Contador with a solid 65 (upped it with about 3km to go, when it was obvious he'd have had a bit left over)
must actually note that Bruno Pires had one of the best times at the first checkpoint, seems that the AI REALLY struggle with going uphill
it also works with flat TTs (took the Dauphine one) - won it by 21secs with Martin (over Froome)
also note that this isn't good for a checkpoints on a flat TT before a final climb (see the 2014 Worlds ITT as an example)
playing as GB, i was passed by Martin with 23.8km to go (as Wiggins, 3:30 behind him at timecheck 2) then finished 3rd, 21secs behind his final time
Edited by samdiatmh on 18-07-2013 07:10
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| kubys |
Posted on 18-07-2013 07:47
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samdiatmh wrote:
use the first riders as 'testers' so you know how fast to put your leader at
the way i ride TTs is that i like to set a value at the start and then leave it at that (ie 65, 66, 67)
Same here, I think that's the best advice. Problem can be only if the TT is early in stage race, so yours favourites for GC can start first...
Die hard fan of Tom Boonen and Quickstep since 2004.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-07-2013 09:18
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You can also do "reckons", if you want all your riders to perform well. By "reckons" I mean, play the stage in single-stage mode before racing it in your career  |
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| mama99ai |
Posted on 18-07-2013 09:36
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I did two great TT yesterday - playing with team Saxo Bank Tinkoff in Vuelta a Espana.
TTT – team time trial
It was a short time trial (about 25km) -in flat territory
I ended up coming in at 3rd spot – 10 seconds after the winners – quite good compared to my recent experience in the TDF. 
The way I did it was that I looked at all my riders – I had 4 riders who was great a TT (i.e. their TT was above 75 (Contador, Kreuz, Rodgers and another I can’t remember) and two riders with about 70 in TT (Both Prologue and TT are important attributes, so I included Bennati in those 2 even though he has 69 in TT)
I then selected the 4 best of them and instructed them to lead 20 seconds each and instructed all other riders not to take lead. I placed all 9 riders on effort 98. So I now had 4 riders switching among themselves in taking the lead and 5 riders just following.
After 17-18 km I saw that a couple of the 4 riders was almost out of energy, so I chose those two low energy riders and instructed them not to lead anymore – i.e. I had 2 of the original 4 riders leading the pack of nine riders leading and 7 following.
Shortly thereafter the last 2 riders were almost out of energy – so what to do now? I had about 5 km left, so I instructed the 2 riders to just follow and then selected the 2 riders I had been saving (the ones with around 70 in TT) and instructed them to take the lead – still at effort 98. So I had 2 riders leading and 7 following.
They lasted all the way to the finish and we came in 3rd – 10 seconds after the winners.
ITT – individual time trial
It was a short time trial (about 20 km) – this time hilly – where you were riding up a hill to about halfway the stage and then downhill for the remaining part of the stage. I ended up winning by 2 minutes! – with A. Contador, and with 3 or 4 riders from my team in top 10. 
I tested different speeds with the first couple of riders and discovered that about 65 effort uphill and 75 effort downhill was more or less the way to do it – the last ½ km I used effort 99.
A few key insight for you - forget about heart rate with ITT – the key thing is to match the length of your green bar (your remaining energy) with the blue bar (how much there is left of the stage). I.e. you need to have enough energy to ride the full stage. Should make perfect sense 
When you start they will normally not match, so you need to play around with the effort to bring them to match over the length of the race. Another key insight – even if your rider get to zero green bar (no remaining energy) your rider still goes faster at effort 99 than 60, so don’t lower the effort after/if you run out of energy.
I hope that my recent success can be applied to the TDF and not just for VAE – time will tell.
I hope my tip was useful.
Good luck
Edited by mama99ai on 18-07-2013 09:59
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| jthewonder |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:55
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Mama99ai, you mention that you need to make the green and blue bars lenght match. but what exactly is it that makes the blue energy bar run out and what makes the green bar run out? |
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| stu-sgn |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:03
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jthewonder wrote:
Mama99ai, you mention that you need to make the green and blue bars lenght match. but what exactly is it that makes the blue energy bar run out and what makes the green bar run out?
The blue bar is the length of the race, not energy. |
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| jthewonder |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:23
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Wow, that info is so important im allmost chocked i didn't know that!
Anyways, thx alot for the quick and very helpfull answer  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-07-2013 07:30
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Now you'll do better. You need to keep the green bar (energy) at the same level as the blue (distance to finish) |
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