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How do you prepare for the upcoming season?
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 09-07-2013 00:45
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So at the start of every season i would imagine that just like myself you all go about preparing your race calender and objectives and team for the upcoming season.
What i'm interested is how you go about this and in how much detail?
-Do you leave the calender as it is or will you completely re-do the race calender yourself?
- Do you set objectives for all of your riders or just your leaders and leave the rest as they are?
-Do you split your squad (if you have a large amount of riders) into a few groups and keep them together all season or do you just pick and choose at the time of the race?
Also feel free to mention anything else you may do and/or how you go about preparing (do you write things down on a piece of paper or use some software to help organize things) |
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| stealingsilver |
Posted on 09-07-2013 10:21
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I am fairly new to PCM but this is how I do it.
1) First split my squad into groups (Mountain duos,Sprint duos, Pure Time-trial specialists, Cobble stone specialists) I make sure everyone is assigned into a group So I know what I am going to use them for without having to look at their stats.
2) Then look at my sponsors priorities (As there is no more prize money then there is no point in entering into too many races) I then tell each group to peak at the relevant priority. (Suchas my top sprint Duo Peaking at 4/5 star races where there are a lot of sprints. I won't make a sprint duo peak at a race where there are not many sprints as I would not make a mountain duo peak on a race where there are only TTs and flat stages)
I am only at Conti level, But if I was at world tour level I would probably make sure I had one GC rider peak for every/most of the WT races aswell. I then adjust peaks to Primary/secondary as to not make the riders tire too much.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-07-2013 10:59
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Here's my 2 cents worth:
- I completely re-do the calender. Tick everything off and start from scratch.
- I set objectives for every single rider, that takes a while but is worth it.
- I don't really split my squad in smaller groups, though I usually have a special schedule for young riders, so they can race a lot together in smaller races and get a chance to prove themselves in bigger races together without having to work for a rider.
Then I make sure I have enough races and I start by assigning the Grand Tours first (when playing with WT team), them Monuments etc... |
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| Areolys |
Posted on 09-07-2013 16:13
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Here's what I'll do next season: (playing as CT)...
I split my team into two main groups: Classics and Tour.
The Classics Gorup will peak in spring and autumn, while Tour group will peak in the summer months.
Classics Gorup is focused on one day races, classics and sprints.
Tour group has climbers and GC riders.
Then I start to assign the important races to each group, the 4/5 * races will be a peak of the GC/Main rider (or a race close to that date so he's happy).
Now I try to find races my riders want to ride and build my season around the sponsor goals and the riders wants.
Currently I have a small team, so not everyone gets what they want. But as I only have bad riders they should be happy to at least have a team 
Since you don't get any money I'll only ride the sponsors races and try to plan the prep races to satisfy my riders wants in the season. |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 09-07-2013 17:08
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Areolys wrote:
Currently I have a small team, so not everyone gets what they want. But as I only have bad riders they should be happy to at least have a team
I do get frustrated with my 'team mate' riders not being happy with their objectives.
I have 3 teams of riders all with a sprinter, Climber/stage races and then one with a Classic/Cobbled rider and then the rest will be team mates and i like to prepare my calender for the grand tours, then sponsors and then to make sure my 2 or 3 main riders are happy with their objectives but then the rest of the team mates are often un happy with the objectives that i set them because i set their objectives to make sure their fitness is at their peak for the grand tours to help me leader out as much as possible. Personally i think objectives should only be set for team leaders as riders set as 'team mates' will be going into races to be a team mate rather than to look to win races |
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| Wyatt_Earp |
Posted on 10-07-2013 09:41
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Here is how I plan my season.
First I create six groups, Classics, Spring, Giro, Tour, Vuelta and late Season.
Then I go trough every riders goals, and adjust them, so that I can spread my riders in the six groups, most end up in 2 or 3 groups.
Probably to many will want to do the Tour, but changing to Giro or Vuelta still makes them happy.
I only make primary goals for my GC contenders, top sprinters, and Classick favorites al other has secondary goals, as long as this makes them happy.
I remove all other races from the calender, except team goals, or goals of my riders.
Then I go trough the calender and uses the groups to assign riders to races.
Rememeber to check for goals of the riders.
I Add som races to get riders in shape to team goals.
PCM 2013 is the first time I have been able to plan my whole season without using a spreadsheet. Looks realy good so far.
what I am missing is beeing able to count racedays planned. I do this manually for my main riders.
Havent played very long, but so far the schedules of the riders seems to be working good... |
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 10-07-2013 09:44
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Me? I just fucking wing it. Same fitness schedule for everyone, drinks all 'round, and go.
"America. Show a nipple on television and the whole country goes ape-shit." -DubbelDekker
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| Areolys |
Posted on 10-07-2013 11:43
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Wyatt: In 13 race days have no effect anymore. It doesn't matter if your rider will race 1 day or 100 (except for freshness, but that's another topic). The 60 race day limit is gone |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 10-07-2013 14:43
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Areolys wrote:
Wyatt: In 13 race days have no effect anymore. It doesn't matter if your rider will race 1 day or 100 (except for freshness, but that's another topic). The 60 race day limit is gone
Oh my god really? that's amazing! I did not know that! so how many days rest does a rider need to fully recover? and how many days races in what period of time will a rider need to ride before his fitness starts to drop? |
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| Areolys |
Posted on 10-07-2013 15:03
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that I don't know, I'd also like to know hom many race days it takes to be in excellent rhytm, if anybody knows  |
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| Wyatt_Earp |
Posted on 10-07-2013 15:05
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DannySymons wrote:
Areolys wrote:
Wyatt: In 13 race days have no effect anymore. It doesn't matter if your rider will race 1 day or 100 (except for freshness, but that's another topic). The 60 race day limit is gone
Oh my god really? that's amazing! I did not know that! so how many days rest does a rider need to fully recover? and how many days races in what period of time will a rider need to ride before his fitness starts to drop?
I did not know that either! Good if someone can answer DannySymons questions!
Edited by Wyatt_Earp on 10-07-2013 15:07
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| tsj |
Posted on 13-07-2013 08:25
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How do you handle rider satisfaction/objective/fitness?
If I assign the Tour as primary objective for my main GC rider, then he will be in great shape the first half of the race and drop off in important second half. If I assign Tour of Austria and San Sebastian he is upset at having lousy objectives but be in much better shape to actually win the Tour. |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 13-07-2013 15:10
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I think the Primary objectives are races the riders want to go out to win where as the secondary may be important races to help the prepare for the primary. So for example the Tour De France may be a primary objective where as the Tour De Suisse or Criterium (or tour, whatever its called) Dauphine may be a secondary. That's how i look at it anyway. OR primary objectives are races that are massively important to them where as secondary are ones that are important but not at important as the Tour De France for example.
I still want to know about the fitness. Very little information is available explaining how it all works which is very frustrating |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:32
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Difference between primary and secondary is quite easy: they peak higher for primary |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:33
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What about my previous question? can you answer that? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:39
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What question do you mean? About the fitness system? I don't really know what you mean, there. The fitness system is created automatically based on the rider's goals. A fitness curve is created. Their form will then depend on that fitness + freshness + rhythm. |
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:45
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So how many days you race has no impact at all on your fitness apart from keeping your rhythm good? So fitness is almost soley down to the fitness curve now? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:48
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No, it's a bit different.
Too few races results in low Rhythm -> lower form.
Too many races will result in low Freshness -> lower form.
You need to build in enough races to peak to your objective. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:52
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Is there a way to peak properly for Grand Tours?
I dont like being on 1 Fitness for the first week, and then being on 2 fitness for the other 2 weeks. During the middle of the Tour, I was destroying everyone on the climbs, but in the 3rd week Mollema dropped really far back in the GC because he couldnt follow anyone and was out of form pretty much.
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| DannySymons |
Posted on 13-07-2013 18:55
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Ian Butler wrote:
No, it's a bit different.
Too few races results in low Rhythm -> lower form.
Too many races will result in low Freshness -> lower form.
You need to build in enough races to peak to your objective.
Okay. So do you have any ideas what the figures are for those then? What amount of races is the perfect amount and how many races will it take when your rider will start to lose freshness? and what about re-gaining freshness? How many races rest will it take to regain freshness? |
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